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Bird ID? Black Duck?

Postby MO duck slayer » Mon Dec 30, 2013 5:21 pm

I can't figure this one out. Not sure if its a black duck or not.
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Re: Bird ID? Black Duck?

Postby MO duck slayer » Mon Dec 30, 2013 5:29 pm

Can't get pictures to load... I'd really like to figure out if its a black duck or a juvenile mallard drake. Please message me with #'s or email and I could send pictures.

Any help is appreciated, thanks!
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Re: Bird ID? Black Duck?

Postby MO duck slayer » Mon Dec 30, 2013 6:35 pm

Here are a few pictures.
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Re: Bird ID? Black Duck?

Postby Uncle.Lou » Mon Dec 30, 2013 7:07 pm

Not a black duck, you sir have a gay Mallard. :shades:
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Re: Bird ID? Black Duck?

Postby MO duck slayer » Mon Dec 30, 2013 7:14 pm

That's what I thought when I shot it but we think its a mallard/gaddy cross as of now
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Re: Bird ID? Black Duck?

Postby Rhock19 » Mon Dec 30, 2013 7:53 pm

Looks like its just an immature drake mallard
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Re: Bird ID? Black Duck?

Postby Frank Lopez » Mon Dec 30, 2013 8:34 pm

Rhock19 wrote:Looks like its just an immature drake mallard


It does, but it's not. It's an old hen. Look at the bill. An immature drake will have the standard yellow bill of the drake. When hens get old they develop an increase in testosterone and start to show male plumage.

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Re: Bird ID? Black Duck?

Postby River Ramblin' Man » Tue Dec 31, 2013 12:25 pm

MO duck slayer wrote:That's what I thought when I shot it but we think its a mallard/gaddy cross as of now


Definitely not a hybrid.
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Re: Bird ID? Black Duck?

Postby Rhock19 » Tue Dec 31, 2013 6:07 pm

I see frank, first time I looked the bill looked yellow!
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Re: Bird ID? Black Duck?

Postby Ga ducker » Tue Dec 31, 2013 8:23 pm

I also think it looks like an old hen! Cool bird! :thumbsup:
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Re: Bird ID? Black Duck?

Postby Nelliboy2 » Tue Dec 31, 2013 10:39 pm

Frank Lopez wrote:
Rhock19 wrote:Looks like its just an immature drake mallard


It does, but it's not. It's an old hen. Look at the bill. An immature drake will have the standard yellow bill of the drake. When hens get old they develop an increase in testosterone and start to show male plumage.

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Re: Bird ID? Black Duck?

Postby jgoetz » Wed Jan 01, 2014 7:02 pm

Going with Frank n this one. Bill tells all in this scenario.
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Re: Bird ID? Black Duck?

Postby MO duck slayer » Wed Jan 01, 2014 9:11 pm

Got the bird checked out by a conservation agent and he said it has to be a hybrid because the spectrum does not match a hen mallard and it can't be a old hen because it has juvenile feathers.
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Re: Bird ID? Black Duck?

Postby Oklahoma Greenhead » Wed Jan 01, 2014 9:28 pm

Well its FOR SURE not a black duck. They dont have any white border on the blue of the wing.
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Re: Bird ID? Black Duck?

Postby MO duck slayer » Wed Jan 01, 2014 9:35 pm

Yah i know that it is not a black duck now, just cant figure out what exactly it is... pretty sure its a hybrid with mallard in it.
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Re: Bird ID? Black Duck?

Postby Mike657 » Wed Jan 01, 2014 11:33 pm

We call them zombie ducks. :yes: :lol3:
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Re: Bird ID? Black Duck?

Postby dkimble09 » Thu Jan 02, 2014 9:30 am

Hello everyone.
From these pictures it looks like mallard hen with a possible genetic disorder, not allowing it to exhibit full mallard hen traits. By looking at the speculum it shows all signs of it being a mallard. You can also see that the white edges trail past the speculum. This is another way to identify it as a hen. When looking at the head from the pictures it does not show traits of other species, but maybe the pictures do not do justification. As for talking to the CO I can only agree with him that the bird looks juvenile due to pointing of the tertiary feathers. In my opinion I think its a mallard hen with a bad gene. In today "duck world" anything is possible. Its still a awesome looking bird. I would also like to see more pictures if possible.
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Re: Bird ID? Black Duck?

Postby Rhock19 » Thu Jan 02, 2014 11:34 am

cross dressing hen mallard?!
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Re: Bird ID? Black Duck?

Postby possumfoot » Fri Jan 03, 2014 9:25 pm

MO duck slayer wrote:Got the bird checked out by a conservation agent and he said it has to be a hybrid because the spectrum does not match a hen mallard and it can't be a old hen because it has juvenile feathers.



gonna be blunt.. one of 2 things.. either you are lying (not saying you are) about having it checked, or, the guy that checked it is an idiot.. that wing is 100% mallard.. you have any close up of the tail??

you should print the below out and give it to him..

Species, Age and Sex Identification of Ducks Using Wing Plumage
Mallard
Sex Determination
The white bar anterior to the speculum extends onto the greater tertial coverts on all female wings but terminates at the proximal edge of the speculum on nearly all male wings. Approximately 2-1/2-3 percent of males show some white edging on their tertial coverts. Adult males can be identified because the white is not continuous with that over the secondaries. Immature males with white over the tertial coverts are difficult to tell from immature females. The white bar is the easiest sex character to use, because of its high degree of reliability and the fact that it is rarely lost when a wing is detached.
Vermiculated scapulars are found only on males. Early in the hunting season (September and October) many males possess barred scapulars which are remnants of their summer plumage.
Proximal underwing coverts are vermiculated or flecked on adult and most immature males. These feathers are barred on females and on a few immature males.
Age Determination of Males
Immature tertials are often frayed and faded, usually narrow, and lack the pearly color of adult tertials. By late November immature tertials are replaced by first winter tertials, identical in appearance to adult feathers. At the same time, immature tertial coverts may be replaced by coverts which are broader, unfrayed, and similar to adult coverts and thus differ from adjacent immature coverts, which have not been molted. Many immature males have light edging on the inner webs of the most distal primary coverts. Adult males do not show this character. Middle coverts of immatures are narrower and more trapezoidal than those of adults. Occasionally, these feathers on immature males are worn and/or have light edges. This type of edging does not occur on the middle coverts of adult males.
Age Determination of Females
Tertials that are frayed and/or faded are remnants of immature plumage and are found only on immature ducks. Tertial coverts of immatures are often frayed, faded, and narrow, and the two most proximal often lack the white of the speculum bar. As with males, greater tertial coverts of immatures may be replaced. Conspicuous light edging on the inner webs of the four most distal
primary coverts is found only on immatures. Adults may have minute or no edging on these coverts. Middle coverts of immatures tend to be narrow and trapezoidal, while those of adults are broadly rounded.
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Re: Bird ID? Black Duck?

Postby cwsmith » Mon Jan 06, 2014 8:02 pm

Frank Lopez wrote:
Rhock19 wrote:Looks like its just an immature drake mallard


It does, but it's not. It's an old hen. Look at the bill. An immature drake will have the standard yellow bill of the drake. When hens get old they develop an increase in testosterone and start to show male plumage.

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Yes, this.
13-14 Season

40 mallards
14 GWT
13 pin
10 spoony
10 buff
9 wigeon
8 rgnk
6 woodie
6 gad
5 barrow's ge
3 merg
3 ruddy
2 l scaup
1 g scaup
1 comm ge
1 can
TOTAL DUCKS = 132

77 canada
4 snow
2 speck
TOTAL GEESE = 83

TOTAL WATERFOWL = 215
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Re: Bird ID? Black Duck?

Postby callndfall27 » Thu Jan 09, 2014 9:35 pm

Rhock19 wrote:Looks like its just an immature drake mallard


dead on. most likely didn't get the proper nutrition. comparable to the runt of a litter persay
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Re: Bird ID? Black Duck?

Postby Frank Lopez » Fri Jan 10, 2014 9:21 am

callndfall27 wrote:
Rhock19 wrote:Looks like its just an immature drake mallard


dead on. most likely didn't get the proper nutrition. comparable to the runt of a litter persay


How do you explain the bill?

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Re: Bird ID? Black Duck?

Postby jehler » Fri Jan 10, 2014 9:41 am

Black duck! Lmao
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Re: Bird ID? Black Duck?

Postby cwsmith » Sat Jan 11, 2014 7:41 pm

it is NOT an immature drake mallard. old hen is the right answer. do some research instead of guessing.
13-14 Season

40 mallards
14 GWT
13 pin
10 spoony
10 buff
9 wigeon
8 rgnk
6 woodie
6 gad
5 barrow's ge
3 merg
3 ruddy
2 l scaup
1 g scaup
1 comm ge
1 can
TOTAL DUCKS = 132

77 canada
4 snow
2 speck
TOTAL GEESE = 83

TOTAL WATERFOWL = 215
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Re: Bird ID? Black Duck?

Postby aunt betty » Sun Mar 09, 2014 8:38 am

It counts as a hen mallard when mister greenjeans starts tallying.
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