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RNT using cocobolo

Postby Lemonhead » Sat Jul 06, 2013 8:10 pm

Any truth to the rumors that RNT isn't using cocobolo anymore?
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Re: RNT using cocobolo

Postby ColoradoGooser » Sat Jul 06, 2013 8:14 pm

I think it is the same as the Hedge wood issue,they have not found a supplier that can keep up with the demand.
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Re: RNT using cocobolo

Postby ByersFarm » Sat Jul 06, 2013 9:42 pm

It is on the endangered species list. What is in the US is all there will be. There will not be anymore imported.
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Re: RNT using cocobolo

Postby mayhem96 » Sun Jul 07, 2013 7:23 am

I heard the Cocobolo was on the endangered list and the deal with Hedge was they could not find a supplier :thumbsup:

So for right now it just likes Bocote :huh:
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Re: RNT using cocobolo

Postby WTN10 » Sun Jul 07, 2013 7:32 am

Some guy on eBay is selling a hedge Old Style like it's rare and I'm just over in the corner quietly buying hedge, laffin'.
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Re: RNT using cocobolo

Postby jehler » Sun Jul 07, 2013 7:38 am

ByersFarm wrote:It is on the endangered species list. What is in the US is all there will be. There will not be anymore imported.

Wrong, there will not be anymore imported....legally ;)
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Re: RNT using cocobolo

Postby ByersFarm » Sun Jul 07, 2013 3:06 pm

jehler wrote:
ByersFarm wrote:It is on the endangered species list. What is in the US is all there will be. There will not be anymore imported.

Wrong, there will not be anymore imported....legally ;)


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Re: RNT using cocobolo

Postby mayhem96 » Sun Jul 07, 2013 3:37 pm

Question: Will RNT still make you a call if you send them a Coco or Hedge blank?
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Re: RNT using cocobolo

Postby awingert » Sun Jul 07, 2013 4:13 pm

Cocobolo has not been listed as endangered necessarily....More like threatened if its harvest isn't controlled. As of June 12 it is on the CITES (convention on international trade in endangered species of wild fauna and flora) appendix II classification for threatened species. It can still be harvested and imported, but sellers and harvesters will have to obtain permits and such, which I presume centers around responsible and sustainable harvesting practices in all of CITES member states. All that means is that our regular sources will not be able to get it as easily and we'll be paying more for it. Safe to say we're seeing the end of cocobolo calls costing what osage orange calls cost.

But it is not an outright import ban.

http://www.cites.org/eng/news/pr/2013/20130614_cop16_decisions.php
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Re: RNT using cocobolo

Postby ByersFarm » Sun Jul 07, 2013 4:29 pm

mayhem96 wrote:Question: Will RNT still make you a call if you send them a Coco or Hedge blank?

Yes.
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Re: RNT using cocobolo

Postby stumpjumper » Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:46 pm

awingert wrote:Cocobolo has not been listed as endangered necessarily....More like threatened if its harvest isn't controlled. As of June 12 it is on the CITES (convention on international trade in endangered species of wild fauna and flora) appendix II classification for threatened species. It can still be harvested and imported, but sellers and harvesters will have to obtain permits and such, which I presume centers around responsible and sustainable harvesting practices in all of CITES member states. All that means is that our regular sources will not be able to get it as easily and we'll be paying more for it. Safe to say we're seeing the end of cocobolo calls costing what osage orange calls cost.

But it is not an outright import ban.

http://www.cites.org/eng/news/pr/2013/20130614_cop16_decisions.php


Adding a little more information to what Aaron elaborated on. Cocobolo from panama, madagascar, and guatemala the trade is regulated.
Other countries such as nicaragua, costa rica ETC there are no CITES issues.

So as you can see, its not endangered nor is the importation ending. It is and will continue to be avalible but some species will be more costly. Dont believe the hype...be informed

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Re: RNT using cocobolo

Postby awingert » Sun Jul 07, 2013 7:01 pm

Stump the way I read it is that Panama was the sponsoring member that brought it up but all nations that are member countries of CITES will enforce compliance. I could be incorrect on that though. :huh:
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Re: RNT using cocobolo

Postby stumpjumper » Sun Jul 07, 2013 7:07 pm

Talked to my supplier today, he has 1000 acres in Nicaragua and Costa Rica, and this is the info he gave me. He deals in many exotic woods but cocobolo is their number one product. Hes been dealing with CITIES for aboit 10 years now and practices proper harvesting and replanting practices.

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Re: RNT using cocobolo

Postby Dbishop311 » Sun Jul 07, 2013 7:50 pm

ByersFarm wrote:It is on the endangered species list. What is in the US is all there will be. There will not be anymore imported.


Its not on the endangered species list. Its selective harvest only. South America is loaded down with it. RNT just cant get it as cheap as they want to. :lol3:
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Re: RNT using cocobolo

Postby WTN10 » Sun Jul 07, 2013 8:12 pm

Actually it is on the "endangered" species list. The Convention on International Trade of Endangered Species has classified it under Appendix II which contains species that are "at risk" of extinction in the wild, but not necessarily threatened. In any sense of the word, the species is "endangered" according to the CITES classification-that's why they classified it that way.

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Re: RNT using cocobolo

Postby Lemonhead » Thu Jul 18, 2013 6:40 pm

Anyone get the new Mack's catalog?
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Re: RNT using cocobolo

Postby The Duck Hammer » Thu Jul 18, 2013 7:09 pm

Lemonhead wrote:Anyone get the new Mack's catalog?

Yes, pretty good sales tactic that they are using. Interesting how they only did it with RNTs calls.
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Re: RNT using cocobolo

Postby mayhem96 » Thu Jul 18, 2013 7:23 pm

The Duck Hammer wrote:
Lemonhead wrote:Anyone get the new Mack's catalog?

Yes, pretty good sales tactic that they are using. Interesting how they only did it with RNTs calls.


What's the sales tactic? Sorry if this is a dumb question :help: :help:
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Re: RNT using cocobolo

Postby WTN10 » Thu Jul 18, 2013 7:27 pm

Coco is not listed as a material choice.
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Re: RNT using cocobolo

Postby The Duck Hammer » Thu Jul 18, 2013 7:48 pm

WTN10 wrote:Coco is not listed as a material choice.

It has its own section on the third page of the RNT stuff. With the hats and Quackhead stuff.
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Re: RNT using cocobolo

Postby The Duck Hammer » Thu Jul 18, 2013 7:50 pm

mayhem96 wrote:
The Duck Hammer wrote:
Lemonhead wrote:Anyone get the new Mack's catalog?

Yes, pretty good sales tactic that they are using. Interesting how they only did it with RNTs calls.


What's the sales tactic? Sorry if this is a dumb question :help: :help:


They separated the Coco calls and made a big deal about how there would be no more. I know this is true for the most part but how they did it with only RNTs calls and nun of the other companies is what I would consider a sales tactic. Also nun of the other companies went up on their coco calls despite the imminent shortage. That's just my observations take it as you will.
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Re: RNT using cocobolo

Postby WTN10 » Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:00 pm

The Duck Hammer wrote:
WTN10 wrote:Coco is not listed as a material choice.

It has its own section on the third page of the RNT stuff. With the hats and Quackhead stuff.


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Re: RNT using cocobolo

Postby The Duck Hammer » Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:06 pm

WTN10 wrote:
The Duck Hammer wrote:
WTN10 wrote:Coco is not listed as a material choice.

It has its own section on the third page of the RNT stuff. With the hats and Quackhead stuff.


Damn you, Duck Hammer.

Guess you found them.
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Re: RNT using cocobolo

Postby Lemonhead » Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:15 pm

My order just got placed. Two months from now ill be asking $200 for them.
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Re: RNT using cocobolo

Postby Dbishop311 » Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:45 pm

Your late to the party. 3-4 weeks ago you could still find Cocobolo Short barrels for 52$. I stocked up :hi:
And DuckHammer finally sees the light. Cocobolo will still be available. Just not to the extent that some would like. Its going on the selective harvest list.
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