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How to handle the 2010 Census:Name & Address

Postby Indaswamp » Tue Oct 27, 2009 10:35 pm

For the 2010 Census: Name and Address Only
(Congress Will Obey the Constitution When the People Demand It)


Next year the country will go through another census. The people and the states – the creators and on-going sustainers of the federal government – have authorized this undertaking (U.S. Constitution, Article I, section 2). The census should be seen not as a burden but rather as an opportunity for Americans to practice self-government. Let me explain.

Our written Constitution embodies ideas to which every member of Congress has taken an Article VI oath to support. In taking their constitutional oath the members of Congress are joined by every member of the 50 state legislatures, every federal executive, legislative, judicial officer, and every executive, legislative, judicial officer of the 50 states, as well as all military personnel. That so many are required to take the oath "to support this Constitution" is ample evidence that the Framers thought their written document to be quite important, a belief shared by most Americans.

Our Constitution is written in clear, understandable English. Consider the census provision. "The [first] actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States [March, 1789], and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they [Congress] shall by Law direct." This allows Congress to count us, but only count us. The operative word, "Enumeration."

How then can we help Congress? By giving census officials your name and address, thereby counting you, but nothing more. By doing this simple task, you assist Congress and census officials fulfill their oath-taken duties "to support this Constitution."

We have agreed to be counted but the license ends there. With our consent Congress is authorized to count us for one purpose: to apportion among the states, as a function of population, the number of House representatives who will then speak for / represent the people on federal matters. That’s it. As to senators, the representatives for the states, no apportionment/enumeration scheme is necessary because no variable is involved: each state is entitled to two senators regardless of demographic or geographical size ("The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State"). These provisions are the result of the delegates’ debates on representation and their final agreement, often referenced as the Great (or Sherman’s) Compromise.

Readers will note that the Constitution simply authorizes an enumeration, a counting of heads. Not an enumeration by race, Hispanic ethnicity, personal relationships, or by the manner in which a person occupies his/her home ("tenure" in census-speak). Not an enumeration by one’s labor force status, by health insurance coverage, by disability status, by level of education. Not an enumeration of the number of bedrooms, kitchens, cars, distances/times traveled to work, school. Not an enumeration of the amount of income made, or by the answers to numerous other nosy questions found in the American Community Survey. Just a simple counting of the number of people. Madison’s extensive notes on the 1787 Convention contain not one word about the delegates spending any of their valuable time discussing the issues of race, Hispanic origins, personal relationships, or plumbing.

We can thus practice self-government by just giving name & address. Under our constitutional republican form of government the people are sovereign. We govern ourselves best by following our consensually-adopted Constitution, and demanding that Congress and all federal officials do similarly. LewRockwell.com readers understand that the federal government does not exist unto itself; that is, it is not a self-existing, perpetual entity. Its creation and its continued existence are subject entirely to the will of the two principals, the people themselves and the states, which allow it to remain in being.

"But," the statists will sputter, "the Constitution says that this counting may be done ‘in such Manner as they [Congress] shall by Law direct,’ and that allows us to get further information from and about you." This language merely goes to the mechanics of the counting (who will do it; when it is to be done; how, when results are to be reported; and so forth); it does not enlarge what may be counted. Constitutionally the only permitted enumeration is the number of people in the United States. Why? Because that count is the determinant for apportionment and therefore the only pertinent information needed. Not race, not ethnicity, not personal relationships, not housing tenure. The minimum information requested for the 1790 census – the number of persons in each household and the "Names of heads of families" (Public Law, March 1, 1790) – provided Congress with the necessary data to accomplish Congress’s first re-apportionment. Addresses and the names of other household occupants were not sought. This historical perspective is significant: the first census established precedent; was nearest to the date of the Constitution’s ratification; and is in straight alignment with the Framers’ purpose and plan. Regardless of which form you receive in the mail (your address is already known), the 10-question short form or the longer American Community Survey form, any busybody question beyond name and address has no bearing for apportionment. The ACS, sent out to different addresses on a monthly basis (even though the Constitution expressly authorizes only a single decennial census), is extraordinarily intrusive.

"But," the statists will stammer further, "Congress says you must give all this other information." Perhaps Congress has enacted something along those lines, but that is not to say that that law is itself lawful. As noted, we agreed to be counted, but that’s all. If the original grant of authority from the authors of the Constitution (the people and the states) does not allow or authorize Congress to enact such a law, then that so-called law is not law within the meaning of the Constitution because that purported enactment was not authorized in the first place. The Constitution’s Supremacy Clause (Article VI) states that purported federal law is considered authorized law only when made within the framework of the written Constitution ("This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; . . ."). Nowhere in this Constitution (a document of limitations) is there found any authority from us enabling Congress to ask about race, ethnicity, or household utility bills. "But, but, . . ., the necessary and proper clause encompasses these further census questions." Not so. The Necessary and Proper Clause (Article I, section 8) is not an independent grant of power standing on its own. It is at most a derivative power; before that clause may be used as justification for a federal law, primary authority must first be located elsewhere. As far as the census is concerned authority is found solely in the Article I provision noted above, and in that provision Congress is only allowed to count/enumerate us.(*) Nothing further; demanding the disclosure of race or Hispanic ethnicity or other information is not enumeration.

[(*) So that the forest doesn’t get lost among the trees: The authorization for the decennial counting of the American people is found in the article defining how the House of Representatives is to be composed. The provision is about those representatives, not about the people themselves. Only statist-minded controllers would take a provision defining the House of Representatives and turn it into an opportunity to conduct third-degree inquisitions of the country’s sovereigns, the people themselves.]

Using tired excuses we will be told that government needs this information to function. Really? The Framers didn’t think so; otherwise they would have placed that authority in the document. Further, if Congress believes itself in need of additional information about us, let Congress propose an amendment to the Constitution and pitch its case to the creators of the federal government – the people and the states – as to why further, intrusive personal information is needed in order to apportion House representation. The Framers were forward thinkers; they anticipated that the needs of the created government might change, providing to this end an amendment process (Article V).

"But, but, . . .," the statists will whine, "amending the Constitution is such a burdensome process. It’s so much easier for us to get this information by threatening citizens with fines and demanding it." To which we simply reply, "We the people expected that you read, understood, and agreed with the written Constitution before you voluntarily took your oath of office to support the people’s document. Did you cross your fingers? Is it your intention not to honor your constitutional oath?"

Name, address and number of occupants. The only information to be given in response to any letter or satchel-toting census bureaucrat demanding "Your information, please." We live more freely when all public officials obey the law. Let’s begin with the Constitution.

October 27, 2009

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Re: How to handle the 2010 Census:Name & Address

Postby rxcontrol » Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:34 pm

Agreed. They have no right to know how many toilets you have.
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Re: How to handle the 2010 Census:Name & Address

Postby MacMan » Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:10 am

Good read Inda - you know, it's all too apparent that our Gov't has become more than what it was intended to be. . . We the people, some of which are domestic terrorist due to your political beliefs, should become more involved through the many grass roots networks. Look at the statist and leftist - they were going to use an organization like ACORN to facilitate the Census. The demons need to be exorcised!
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Re: How to handle the 2010 Census:Name & Address

Postby goodkarmarising » Wed Oct 28, 2009 7:09 am

Agreed, name and address only....then the door gets slammed in their face.
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Re: How to handle the 2010 Census:Name & Address

Postby MM » Wed Nov 04, 2009 8:22 pm

Good read. Is there info somewhere that is show what questions the are going to ask? And what the consequences are if you don't answer them?
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Re: How to handle the 2010 Census:Name & Address

Postby MM » Wed Nov 04, 2009 8:29 pm

Good read. Is there info somewhere that is show what questions the are going to ask? And what the consequences are if you don't answer them?
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Re: How to handle the 2010 Census:Name & Address

Postby lameduck » Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:44 am

Last time there was a census I was 14, and I still remember my Dad mumbling about it. Some of the things I remember was "Why do they need to know how many TV's I have," and "Do they need to know how many cars I own?" I know he was not mumbling because the length bothered him, he is a CPA so his job is centered around the most boring things in life.

I do not know but I am guessing there soon will be a "How many firearms do you own" question. I believe I may disassemble all of my guns before I answer that question, and just call them what they are, wood and metal. Or I just might send a copy of the Constitution with a few highlighted portions, with a letter containing my name and address.

As I am not that old, I do not have much of a history with the Census, but from reading about it, it seems like it has become more of an inventory than census.

Merriam-Webster's definitions:

Inventory-

-1 a : an itemized list of current assets: as (1) : a catalog of the property of an individual or estate (2) : a list of goods on hand b : a survey of natural resources c : a list of traits, preferences, attitudes, interests, or abilities used to evaluate personal characteristics or skills
2 : survey, summary
3 : the quantity of goods or materials on hand : stock
4 : the act or process of taking an inventory

Census-

1 : a count of the population and a property evaluation in early Rome
2 : a usually complete enumeration of a population; specifically : a periodic governmental enumeration of population
3 : count, tally

PS- This isn't Rome. The reason Rome is mentioned is because they are the first ones that did a formal census. I believe what we started out doing was #2 under census, then moved toward #1. Now they should just be calling it what it is, an inventory.
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Re: How to handle the 2010 Census:Name & Address

Postby SpinnerMan » Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:00 am

I am sure they will do like they have done in the past. Most people will get a short form, which is 1 page. Some will get the long form which is like 10 pages. The short form is not a lot more than name and address. Actually, do you own the home, number in household and then name, phone #, sex, birth date, race, and ethnicity for each person. All of which they should already have through social security. Not exactly a big invasion of privacy.

You can see the one's from the last census here.
http://www.census.gov/dmd/www/2000quest.html

Now the long form is simply a random sample of the population to provide general information about life in America. Sure some seem odd and probably are, but this doesn't provide anything but a statistical sample. So if they ask you if they have any guns, tell them a whole hell of a lot :lol3: That's better than them thinking that the population has less guns than they really do. Seriously, there is no legitimate reason to be paranoid about these questions. Of course, the information they collect will be biased by the administration in charge, but it's just a statistical sample, even if it is a sample of how often you play with yourself, there is little the government could do with this information that it was not already planning on doing.

I have a feeling I was double counted last time. I lived in Atlanta on the day that mattered and moved to an empty apartment in Chicago shortly thereafter. I filled out my form in Atlanta and not in Chicago. However, they kept coming back to the apartment in Chicago to figure out why nobody filled out a form for that apartment. I obviously never filled out a second form, but I'll bet they reported that somebody did live there, although they never hunted me down for not filling out a form.
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Re: How to handle the 2010 Census:Name & Address

Postby lameduck » Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:13 am

Maybe its just me, I just do not like people knowing what I have, or do not have.
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Re: How to handle the 2010 Census:Name & Address

Postby rman114 » Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:33 pm

goodkarmarising wrote:Agreed, name and address only....then the door gets slammed in their face.


why would you slam the door in their face? It's probably a joe shmoe like you doing exactly what you respect most. Working hard for his dollar and working for the public to complete an obviosuly constitutionally mandated project.

I agree i see no harm in putting just your name and address or even just the number of persons at that address if your uncomfortable by the other questions.
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Re: How to handle the 2010 Census:Name & Address

Postby SpinnerMan » Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:41 pm

rman114 wrote:
goodkarmarising wrote:Agreed, name and address only....then the door gets slammed in their face.


why would you slam the door in their face? It's probably a joe shmoe like you doing exactly what you respect most. Working hard for his dollar and working for the public to complete an obviosuly constitutionally mandated project.
Just to second this. In the last census, my mother did this. It seemed like an easy way to make a few bucks by walking around her neighborhood.

She did run into one nutjob that wanted to know how the government got his address. This is central PA. He probably didn't own more than 20 acres. Not exactly in the middle of nowhere. :rolleyes:
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Re: How to handle the 2010 Census:Name & Address

Postby MM » Mon Mar 15, 2010 4:37 pm

I got my form today and am in the process of filling it out. I'm not going to lie, I'm a little paranoid. They do not need to know if I am black or white... They do not need to know my phone number... To be honest, it really shound not even matter to them if I own or rent...

I'm a little worried they will be knocking on my door for this one but we will see!

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Re: How to handle the 2010 Census:Name & Address

Postby aggiechiro » Mon Mar 15, 2010 6:45 pm

MM wrote:I got my form today and am in the process of filling it out. I'm not going to lie, I'm a little paranoid. They do not need to know if I am black or white... They do not need to know my phone number... To be honest, it really shound not even matter to them if I own or rent...

I'm a little worried they will be knocking on my door for this one but we will see!

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no need to lie, just be painfully honest. if noone is on it and its not flushing you have 0 working toliets same for any appliance that isnt on when you answer, or a car for that matter. if noone is sleeping in them you have 0 bedrooms they are just living space.
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Re: How to handle the 2010 Census:Name & Address

Postby MM » Mon Mar 15, 2010 8:58 pm

I never implied I was going to lie. I wrote N/A next to the questions that were none of their business... I strongly feel it is not their business. If they need more info they can look it up their selves.
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Re: How to handle the 2010 Census:Name & Address

Postby aggiechiro » Mon Mar 15, 2010 10:28 pm

MM wrote:I never implied I was going to lie.


i know. you clearly said the exact opposite, just figured i'd pass along an alternative option.
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Re: How to handle the 2010 Census:Name & Address

Postby GroundSwatter » Tue Mar 16, 2010 7:45 am

I'm just upset by how much money they've sent advertising for the Census. I believe they spent $42 million mailing letters out a week before the Census to let you know your Census letter was coming. I got that two weeks ago and still haven't gotten the actual Census letter.

The money spent for a superbowl ad? The money spent advertising at a baseball game I went to last fall. I can't tell you how many times I've been in a public place with an ad for the Census.

Although I do think its important, I don't know that its worth pissing away this much money.
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