Glimmerjim wrote:I have nothing against Catholics on a personal basis.
But you do or else you wouldn't have made the comments in this thread that you have made.
Glimmerjim wrote:If a certain belief system gives one comfort, at no expense to others, and is at best not a negative influence in its community, I have no problem with those who derive comfort from it.
Glimmerjim wrote:In my personal experience, I have found adherents to any particular organized religion as hypocritical, disingenuous, and for the most part in need of a system that will grant them relief from the moral consequences of their actions.
Your personal experiences must be shaped by the people with whom you choose to associate. It is obvious you chose those who dwell in gutter. As such, your view of religious persons it tainted by the filth.
Your generalizations about Catholics and the Catholic Church are hypocritical as AT pointed out to you earlier. They are also extremely ignorant. I know this has never brought you shame before, now nor will it in the future but it should. Now your weak attempt to broaden your argument to all religions is blatantly transparent in your fantastical hope that we have forgotten your posts in prior threads castigating us for criticizing or making generalizations about Islam. It seems you have your own prejudices, which are truly based on ignorance.
Glimmerjim wrote:The only people I have found that even come close to what I interpret as the concept of Christianity are involved in small, non-denominational groups that are basically a study group of the Christian Bible. The larger a group becomes, the more "earthly", rather than spiritual, material influences affect the tenets, prohibitions, and mindsets. Catholicism is this concept on steroids. For those whom the religion provides comfort, I am happy for them. Much akin to the happiness I feel for those who have achieved a state in grace in our prison system. In other words, while the system may be incorrigible, there are those who persevere and triumph and I congratulate, rather than condemn, them.
So now you compare Catholics to criminals. Your ignorance and offensiveness never ceases. I don't know what is worse; your casual ignorance, your broad generalizations or your hypocrisy. You remind me of a woman I know. You are emotional. You have lots of opinions. Your opinions in general are based on ignorance. You have diarrhea of the mouth (fingers in this case). You have a casual knowledge about something. You develop an opinion on this limited knowledge. Then you spout off as if your opinion is meaningful and should be regarded. What you really don't understand is how others with more than casual knowledge look at people like you with utter contempt.
Catholics in general are among the most charitable people on the planet. Catholics believe they mustput their beliefs into practice through works. They give of themselves in a multitude of ways. They donate their money, time and effort to helping the needy inside and outside of their communities. They serve their church and community through volunteer work driven by their faith. If you took even the slightest interest and made the most limited effort you couldn't discovered this before you chimed in. You wouldn't know these things because you are lazy and ill-informed comfortable in your ignorance and too lazy to challenge yourself intellectually. Yet you can judge from afar about something of which you know very little.
The Catholic Church is a huge organization consisting of multiple forms of clergy, religious orders and laity. The hierarchy is but a fraction of this massive church, less than 99.9999%
of the church is the hierarchy and even less have had anything to do with any improprieties. The remainder is dedicated clergy, religious orders and laity that serve through devotion to their faith. The clergy lead the faithful by example of self-sacrifice and faith and through a myriad of other ways including counseling, prayer, events and charity. The religious orders dedicate themselves to their faith through works and self-sacrifice. The laity show their devotion through charity to both the church and community. The Church itself administers schools and hospitals where the not so fortunate can get discounted education and discounted healthcare. The Church operates soup kitchens and multitudes of other forms of charities. This means nothing to you.
But to you, these people are all hypocrites because you knew a few that may or may not have been best examples of their faith. You have judged them based on your own perceived values, no matter how distorted they may be. You have judged them based on maybe one incident that you extend to all labeling them hypocrites. You expect perfection, which is impossible. Imperfection does not make one any less faithful nor does it make one hypocritical. The fallibilities or the failures of one person do not negate the message of the faith nor does it reflect negatively on the whole. You need this to make your argument. Without it, your argument crumbles on the ignorant foundation on which it was built.