Glimmerjim wrote:High Sierras wrote: In spite of our enthusiastic differences on other topics, Slow, I'd call you normal on this one. No one has real, hard, incontrovertable evidence -- one way or the other-- of God's existence. That's why it's called faith.
Here we go HS. I am fascinated with this subject...what is faith?
Wikipedia wrote:“…Faith is confidence or trust in a person, thing, deity, or in the doctrines or teachings of a religion. It is also belief that is not based on proof…”
Seems like a decent working definition to me. But everyone seems to get hung up on faith as being somehow only interlinked with organized religion. Yes, faith is required to believe in God, because there is no definitive proof that he (or she, if that’s how you see things…) exists.
But faith can also be in an idea. Take ‘man-made’ global warming -- we don’t have definitive proof one way or the other that it’s even taking place, yet we have followers of the ‘faith’ that spout off all kinds of mantras about the industrial revolution and carbon sequestration and greenhouse gases without a care in the world if it’s true, because a group of ‘scientists’ (i.e., someone they have faith in) told them it’s so. They use observations that the ocean surface temps are slightly higher or lower than what it was last year, they track the number of hurricanes each year, the number of tornadoes each year… they look to the heavens for any sign they can find that their faith in MMGW is justified…sound familiar?
And you can’t use their own data to point out the fallacy of their faith. The MMGW faithful will say we don’t have enough data yet to prove their faith, but the data that we do know might be inclined to point to it – and we can’t take any chances, the outcome for all mankind will be disastrous (we’ll all be damned for eternity, but instead of pits of fire and a guy with a pitchfork and pointy tail, they imagine the hell on earth that is high water levels, global starvation, and no more polar bears.) if we don’t all convert to their faith right now -- they just want to save you …sound familiar?
When you dare to peel back the reality gaps in their faith and show their faith to be belief without proof, they will get downright nasty towards those who mock their faith -- Look at the Westborough Baptist type folks, picketing soldier’s funerals for heaven’s sake. Or the Jeremiah Wright type preachers… if you disagree, you’re singled out for ridicule and personal attacks. Kinda like one of the diatribes on the latest in a never ending parade of global warming threads. The poster can’t (or won’t be bothered with) rationally point out where Chris Monkton is wrong. Instead he resorts to the favored debate tactic of third graders everywhere -- name calling (really dude, lord Monkey? Is that the best you could do?).
OK, I’ve rambled on enough, I’ve got work to do. What is faith to you, Jim?