SpinnerMan wrote:Obamacare bent the cost curve up as expected. Have opinions changed?slowshooter wrote:SpinnerMan wrote:It will never be complete. It is a matter of religion and not science at this point.
IT will remain true, whatever IT is, regardless of how many reinterpretations of the "facts" are necessary to prove IT true.
Doesn't matter which side of the argument you are on. It's about sides and not science. Each thinks they are the true God-fearing and the others are the infidels that must be defeated.
Nonsense. If there was scientific evidence to disprove the 97% then it would be pretty easy to get them to believe otherwise.
The porkulus failed to stimulate the economy as anyone with a hint of common sense knew it would. Have opinions changed?
Man is a destructive force on the planet and must be constrained and controlled by some intellectual (formerly bloodline) elite whether it is man-made cooling, man-made warming, or just man-made change, the facts don't matter, the opinions will not change. Do you even see anyone arguing about the optimum temperature or optimum CO2 or optimum anything? We know at the extremes we all die and clearly we are not all dead, so there is a point below which it is too cold, above which it is too hot, and right at that point it is just right. Of course, even acknowledging that there is an optimum point crushes the appeal to authority for the very simple reason that that point is HIGHLY subjective based on what humans value. That means for you and me the true perfect optimum is NOT the same value. It is not a matter of pure scientific debate on facts. It is also based heavily on a subjective value judgment. Scientists' value judgments are no more relevant than any other human being on the planet. If they were then you must believe my value judgments are more relevant than yours. They are truly equal.
However, the debate about "facts" that are nothing more than individual value judgments is one huge area where the so-called climate science in particular and most environmental sciences in general have been totally corrupted. To many of these scientists it is a religion just like many of the intelligent design scientists. They "know" the truth and their goal is to use pseudo-science to prove it to the non-believers.
To be a pure scientist you must be obsessed with trying to prove YOURSELF wrong. How many scientist these days try to disprove their own theories? Can't risk the funding, the power, the prestige, the money, the politics, or just the sense of personal intellectual superiority to be proven wrong. There are a lot of scientists with the mental equivalent of the napoleon complex. After all half of them are dumber than the average scientist, but most of them can't admit that to themselves.
According to Vince this should put an end to the debate
great post spinner.