WoodyWhiffingMG wrote:Since when is making vastly reaching public policy on unreliable information a good idea?
Hell, you progressive/liberals gave Bush $hit for making a judgement call on what were reliable sources, just because it ended up to be wrong (by your (re)definition of WMD).
FAIL: You've consistently missed the point here; it's not that he made a bad judgement call on unreliable information; he (and his minions) produced, embellished, and sold the bad information using scare tactics (mushroom cloud) as a pretext to their foregone plans, using 9/11 as the excuse. Not only that, but they silenced or retaliated against those who disagreed or promoted caution/skepticism of/with the "intel." Try to keep up! This is way old news.
And obama's (and algore's, and the libs in general...) scare tactics on [strikethrough]global warming[/strikethrough] [strikethrough]global cooling[/strikethrough] climate change (for now) are somehow different?
As far as silencing or retaliating against any and all of obamas (or again, the leftists in general...) critics on climate change...well, we don’t have the room to go into that in detail here, do we dude? Lord Monkey and all, right dude? Another of your name games since "Monkton" is such a digital mouthful for you to type out?
It's all 'bushies' fault anyway, right dude???
edited... don't we have a proper 'strikethrough' font???
WoodyWhiffingMG wrote:You say it is a tough nut to crack, admitting we don't know near enough to make a conclusion, right?
NO. We are capable of making some conclusions based on what we know now, understanding that our understanding will change over time. The entities that cannot make conclusions wold include volcanoes, trees, bovine digestive systems, sun spots and all that natural non-man-controllable stuff.
About the only conclusions an unbiased scientist can make currently is that some glaciers might be retreating again, like they have several times in the past, and that no one can definitively explain why the mile-thick sheet if ice that was over Assa’s back yard melted away 50,000 years ago. Not one of the 97% of climate-hucksters is willing to even venture a guess as to what caused the last ice age to end, and how now is any different from then, but they’re more than happy to pitch to us that by God we have to do something now before it’s too late!
WoodyWhiffingMG wrote:Jumping in to mass use of an immature science is a very dangerous game. A game that risks ALL of our life styles.
Not doing something in light of current circumstances and understandings is also jumping into mass use or misuse of science.
OK… basically you’re both saying the same thing – that we don’t know enough about the climate yet to formulate a policy based on anything other than ideology.
The Woody’s of the world say don’t do anything drastic until we understand what’s going on, the damage to our already weak economy will be too high. The Dudes of the world are saying we don’t have time to understand what’s going on; we have to do something now! We have to protect our phoney baloney jobs here... Harrumph! Harrumph! Harrumph!
WoodyWhiffingMG wrote:Just think of the implications if you are wrong, especially knowing that if you are right we cannot do anything about it anyways.
The implications?! Yes, let's think about the implications.
The implications of being proactive are increases in: energy sustainability, energy security, energy efficiency, productivity, industrial capability & capacity, environmental sustainability, cultural survival.
The implications of being proactive (in the sense that the ‘Church of Climatology’ insists on) include the U.S. Govt spending stupidly enormous amounts of money we don’t have trying to build up an infrastructure of expensive alternative energy sources rather than utilize what we have smarter, the destruction of our industrial capacity as more manufacturing jobs get shipped to China where cheap energy is readily available from all the new coal fired power plants they’re putting online everyday, and the realization that we are rapidly going the way of the British Empire, who were the world economic and industrial superpower back in the day. Now they’re little more than a footnote in history with a funny accent, which is probably what the Chinese will say about our grandchildren’s America a hundred years from now.
dudejcb wrote:The implications of doing nothing: continued volatile energy markets, energy insecurity, banking of short term profits as opposed to infrastructure investment and development (BINGO!!!), reliance on aging infrastructure; super big storm events at increased frequency, death, destruction, squandering the rebuild opportunity by following the same old practices because doing things better always costs more that minimum code (or less), so the opportunity for improvement is lost for the life of the structure...and we keep digging the hole.
I could go on but you get the point don't you? Please say maybe.
So when are we going to start seeing those ‘Super Big Storm Events’ outside the movie theatre, Dude? The day after tomorrow, perhaps?