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Real War on Women

Postby cartervj » Tue Jul 02, 2013 8:51 pm

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Local reports suggest that two teenage girls in Pakistan were shot to death in an honor killing for supposedly dancing in the rain. News 24 Online states that Noor Basra, 16, and Noor Sheza, 15, were shot by a group of men in an attack coordinated by their stepbrother after they posted an online video of themselves dancing in the rain.
“Elders in the town raised objections on the character of these girls,” said human rights activist Atiya Jehan. “When the footage was circulated via mobile phones, it caused outrage in the conservative Pakistani town.”
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Postby ScaupHunter » Tue Jul 02, 2013 10:40 pm

How does that jive with our liberal brethren's views of women's rights?
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Re: Real War on Women

Postby Indaswamp » Wed Jul 03, 2013 12:13 am

They are only practicing what is written in the Islamic Holy books.....
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Re: Real War on Women

Postby swampbilly 1980 » Wed Jul 03, 2013 5:32 am

Wonder if it's ok to dance in sunshine :huh:
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Re: Real War on Women

Postby assateague » Wed Jul 03, 2013 6:10 am

Know why liberals love Islam? Because it's not Christianity. There is no reason- NONE- that liberals should not despise Islam, and do all they can to see it eradicated from America. It flies directly in the face of all that they claim to cherish. Yet they refuse to speak poorly of it. The ACLU refuses to sue Islamic organizations. Atheist groups leave Islam alone, when compared to Christianity.

Bunch of hypocritical, misguided idiots.
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Re: Real War on Women

Postby SpinnerMan » Wed Jul 03, 2013 8:21 am

assateague wrote:Bunch of hypocritical, misguided idiots.
And cowards. If "fringe" Catholics started chopping of heads when Catholicism was "offended" without the entire Catholic faith condemning them AND actively and ostracizing and aggressively seeking these people out to put them in jail for their damage they were doing to the Catholic faith, many of these same people would be calling for understanding because they don't want to live in fear.
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Re: Real War on Women

Postby assateague » Wed Jul 03, 2013 8:24 am

That's a very good point.
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Re: Real War on Women

Postby cartervj » Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:28 am

Well the Libs are missing in action on this thread :lol3:
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Re: Real War on Women

Postby cartervj » Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:52 am

The Egyptian group Operation Anti-Sexual Harassment/Assault, which runs a hotline for victims of sexual assault and seeks to intervene to stop attacks, has received scores of reports of attacks on women in Tahrir Square over the past three days. The group confirmed 46 attacks on June 30, 17 on July 1, and 23 on July 2. The group’s volunteers intervened to protect and evacuate women in 31 cases of sexual assault. Four of the women needed medical assistance, including two who were evacuated by ambulance. The women’s rights group Nazra for Feminist Studies had confirmed another five attacks on June 28.

One woman required surgery after being raped with a “sharp object,” volunteers with the group said. In other cases, women were beaten with metal chains, sticks, and chairs, and attacked with knives. In some cases they were assaulted for as long as 45 minutes before they were able to escape.

Human Rights Watch has long documented the problem of sexual assault in Cairo’s streets and particularly at protests. A new video highlights the stories of women who have been attacked, in some cases as recently as January.
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Re: Real War on Women

Postby SpinnerMan » Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:13 am

I am going to throw out a devil's advocate position related to the minimizing (for lack of a better word) the moral failing of slavery in America. It was probably routine to watch and do nothing when slaves were tortured and would have anyone probably intervened if a slave woman was being raped? Yet, no one doubts that the Revolution moved us forward and likely expedited the more enlightened society that we have today. However, expecting the late 18th century and early 19th century Americans to behave like early 21st century Americans in regards to slavery is absurd. It doesn't make it any less horrible of a crime against these individuals, but we "understand" why it occurred. Moving forward would have never happened if condemnation was all that was offered. Culturally, there is obviously not a direct comparison with American culture at that time, but clearly in the culture or significant parts of it that exists women are nothing but bitches and ho's to be used in ways worse than slaves. If that is their culture, simple condemnation of it will not change that culture any more than condemnation of the slave ownership culture would have got us to where we are today. Like I said it's a devil's advocate position that is not well thought out. My point being, is it the right thing to focus on, or are we missing that there is real progress. If slavery was your singular focus, the American Revolution would not have looked like much more like anything but the status quo.
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Re: Real War on Women

Postby ScaupHunter » Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:39 am

The places where slavery exists most heavily are also the same areas where hatred and violence run rampant. Women are property in these areas. The answer is would many people step up and interfere? The answer is no. We stopped more than one man who was openly whipping a child or woman in Iraq. The entire culture is one of hatred of others, violent control of others, and vengeance. They see it as perfectly normal and acceptable.

Back in the day, raping a slave was not rape. It was perfectly acceptable to have sex with your property. Beating slaves was acceptable as well, as was killing them if they got out of line. In that day and time it was your right to do so and was the right thing to do because of your rights of ownership. No matter how horrible we want to make it now, it does not change what was acceptable and right in our societies past. Trying to put 21st century morals on 19th century Americans doesn't work. Their morals were different.
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Re: Real War on Women

Postby SpinnerMan » Wed Jul 03, 2013 12:02 pm

And that's basically my question/comment. We all (individual liberty loving Americans) want that love of individual liberty where all men (meaning men and women) to be free individuals that are treated as individuals with equal rights to their life, liberty, and property. This rejection of Morsi. Is that a step in the right direction? Of course, it is not the American Revolution or anything on that par, but is there reason for small dose of extremely cautious optimism or should will reject it out of hand since they aren't addressing slavery?

I get the point of ripping on the idiot American liberals that defend Clinton getting serviced by the intern and sexually harassing trailer trash and other lesser women and the whole insanity of claiming that if you don't support the killing unborn baby boys and girls and someone else paying for your birth control it is an attack on females and all the insanity of the left including their silence on the barbaric behavior of their beloved Muslim victims of colonialism and zionism. It is entertaining to point out their hypocrisy, ignorance, and all their comical failures while they continue to think they are intellectually superior and those that disagree are just h8ers or whatever craziness they spew. However, is this a small step in the right direction? It seems at least interesting.

I work with a lot of Egyptians, so I pay a little more attention because of the small personal connection. The one guy moved back to Egypt about 6 months or so ago to take care of his mother. At the going away party, he stood up to thank everybody and then said that we are all welcome to come and visit any time and that he could assure that at least half of us would make it back safely :lol3:
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Re: Real War on Women

Postby lancej » Wed Jul 03, 2013 3:05 pm

ScaupHunter wrote:... Their morals were different.


Wait a minute...WTN10 has postulated that morals do not change...

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Re: Real War on Women

Postby ScaupHunter » Wed Jul 03, 2013 3:43 pm

At the individual level he may be right, though I seriously doubt it. At a national level that is quite simply not true. A societies morals are determined by that society. People of that societies descent 100 years later are most likely going to have different morals and values.
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Re: Real War on Women

Postby lancej » Wed Jul 03, 2013 4:33 pm

ScaupHunter wrote:At the individual level he may be right, though I seriously doubt it. At a national level that is quite simply not true. A societies morals are determined by that society. People of that societies descent 100 years later are most likely going to have different morals and values.



Look out...you are now up for a lecture :biggrin:

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Re: Real War on Women

Postby vincentpa » Wed Jul 03, 2013 7:05 pm

lancej wrote:
ScaupHunter wrote:... Their morals were different.


Wait a minute...WTN10 has postulated that morals do not change...

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Re: Real War on Women

Postby Indaswamp » Wed Jul 03, 2013 7:22 pm

vincentpa wrote:
lancej wrote:
ScaupHunter wrote:... Their morals were different.


Wait a minute...WTN10 has postulated that morals do not change...

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Only God can change morals. Only God can dictate morality.

which God? The one you believe in or the one Islam believes in, because both can't be right. One says it is a duty to kill infidels, the other says turn the other cheek....
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Re: Real War on Women

Postby cartervj » Wed Jul 03, 2013 8:05 pm

Speaking to Davis’ remarks about people’s health, she executed her filibuster on June 25 saying, “Lawmakers, either get out of the vagina business or go to medical school.” As Bryan Preston at PJ Media pointed out on July 1, the statement is ironic since one of Davis’ colleagues in the Texas Senate, Donna Campbell, is a doctor. She:

[A]lso led the fight to pass the bill in the Texas Senate. State Sen. Donna Campbell represents District 25 in central Texas. She comes to the Texas Senate with an educational and career background that would earn her fawning coverage from one end of this country to another, but for a couple of inconvenient facts.

Occupation: Emergency Room Physician

Education: B.S. Central State University; M.N. Texas Women’s University; M.D. Texas Tech Health Science Center; General Surgical Internship, Methodist Hospital of Dallas; Residency in Ophthalmology, University of Texas Health Science Center Houston
So, when will any of the major networks give Texas Sen. Donna Campbell, a medical doctor and proponent of SB 5, a chance to give the other side of the argument? Then again, Campbell is probably more focused on keeping her family safe.

As her spokesman Jon Oliver said, she has received threats from pro-abortion activists such as:

“I hope you’re raped” and “I hope your daughter’s raped.”

“Lots of language — ‘You’re an effin’ blank,’ ‘You are a traitor to women’ — those kind of things,” Oliver says. “I wouldn’t say anything’s necessarily a direct threat, but they’re the kind of e-mails that make you a little nervous, especially when you start talking about family members: ‘I hope your family members are raped.’”


One could argue that having your family threatened with rape is more "offensive," than Perry's remarks, which was more of a compliment concerning Davis' achievements in her life.



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Re: Real War on Women

Postby slowshooter » Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:32 pm

cartervj wrote:One could argue that having your family threatened with rape is more "offensive," than Perry's remarks, which was more of a compliment concerning Davis' achievements in her life.


Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matt-vespa ... z2Y2R9O6cW



Hey, I expect that pro lifers are pro rape. They are after all pro birth (and evidently by any means possible). After that though, they seem to head for the woodwork when it comes to making sure that the kids born need assistance.

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Re: Real War on Women

Postby Glimmerjim » Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:06 pm

ScaupHunter wrote: Back in the day, raping a slave was not rape. It was perfectly acceptable to have sex with your property. Beating slaves was acceptable as well, as was killing them if they got out of line. In that day and time it was your right to do so and was the right thing to do because of your rights of ownership. No matter how horrible we want to make it now, it does not change what was acceptable and right in our societies past. Trying to put 21st century morals on 19th century Americans doesn't work. Their morals were different.

And therefore you, scaup, are an unabashed advocate of moral relativism.
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Re: Real War on Women

Postby Glimmerjim » Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:09 pm

vincentpa wrote:
lancej wrote:
ScaupHunter wrote:... Their morals were different.


Wait a minute...WTN10 has postulated that morals do not change...

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Only God can change morals. Only God can dictate morality.

So why not get into a debate with Scaup about Relative Moralism? Is there simply a credo here that we do not contest those who profess to be "on our side"?
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Re: Real War on Women

Postby Glimmerjim » Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:12 pm

lancej wrote:
ScaupHunter wrote:... Their morals were different.


Wait a minute...WTN10 has postulated that morals do not change...

Lance

Careful Lance....you are going to pit mirror image A against mirror image A. That doesn't work here. This is gang mentality gone berserk. We only attack those that profess to disagree with our unfounded, obsequieous, generational, biblical based ignorance. Just how it works. Can't fight it.
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Re: Real War on Women

Postby ScaupHunter » Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:32 pm

Glimmerjim wrote:
ScaupHunter wrote: Back in the day, raping a slave was not rape. It was perfectly acceptable to have sex with your property. Beating slaves was acceptable as well, as was killing them if they got out of line. In that day and time it was your right to do so and was the right thing to do because of your rights of ownership. No matter how horrible we want to make it now, it does not change what was acceptable and right in our societies past. Trying to put 21st century morals on 19th century Americans doesn't work. Their morals were different.

And therefore you, scaup, are an unabashed advocate of moral relativism.


I believe we established that about me a long time ago. We all practice moral relativism in our own ways Jim. You are in the same boat I am on this one buddy. Many will tout obeying the law, then speed or cheat on their taxes. Others will cheat on a spouse, or smoke some weed, etc..... No one is immune to moral relativism.
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Re: Real War on Women

Postby Glimmerjim » Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:41 pm

ScaupHunter wrote:
Glimmerjim wrote:
ScaupHunter wrote: Back in the day, raping a slave was not rape. It was perfectly acceptable to have sex with your property. Beating slaves was acceptable as well, as was killing them if they got out of line. In that day and time it was your right to do so and was the right thing to do because of your rights of ownership. No matter how horrible we want to make it now, it does not change what was acceptable and right in our societies past. Trying to put 21st century morals on 19th century Americans doesn't work. Their morals were different.

And therefore you, scaup, are an unabashed advocate of moral relativism.


I believe we established that about me a long time ago. We all practice moral relativism in our own ways Jim. You are in the same boat I am on this one buddy. Many will tout obeying the law, then speed or cheat on their taxes. Others will cheat on a spouse, or smoke some weed, etc..... No one is immune to moral relativism.

You're right scaup, and I apologize. I am indeed an advocate of moral relativism. I guess I forgot your previous statements and assumed you agreed with WTN, AT etc.
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Re: Real War on Women

Postby ScaupHunter » Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:48 pm

No need to apologize.

I am already in line for a tune up by WTN in this thread. I have been poking UR with some unfortunate truths that violate his sense of legal order in the HH as well. The wrath of legal is descending on me like a impending cloud of doom. :yes:
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