High Sierras wrote:Two things pop up in my mind here.
First, Corporations don't pay taxes. Even if they were to 'pay' taxes, they still woudn't pay taxes. They pass them along as one of the costs of doing business. The consumer pays the tax for them in higher unit prices. Perhaps we should make corporations pay taxes... then the 47% who currently don't pay taxes would have to start... every time they bought a gallon of milk, a carton of smokes, or a new gold necklace.
Certainly we should accept that tax breaks are good for business internationally. But that benefit to the economy has been undermined by businesses that seek tax breaks from communities just to open a store or facility. When WALMART comes to town and demand tax breaks, gets them, then avoids giving their worker full time hours to keep them under the minimum to provide health care, they pass on the cost of their overhead to the taxpayers of the community. Corporations are now forcing communities to pay for the privilege of having their public coffers robbed.
The average taxpayer has been robbed many times that they can't even tell it's happening anymore. Your paragraph above proves that.
I wasn't refering to tax breaks Slow. I was refering to the fact that when presented with a tax, a fee, a permit cost, a zoning surcharge... whatever the economic cost to a corporation, they (the corporation) don't just take it out of their profit margin, they factor it into the cost per unit and let the consumers pay those costs for them. A corporate income tax is obamas 'ace in the hole' to make the 47% chumps who voted for him pay their
fair share. Oh, wait... did you think obama would be happy with just rapeing the 53%'ers, and leave his own peeps alone? Sorry, not a chance. This way he doesn't have
to tax the poor... he just taxes the corporations, who will pass that bill on to the consumer a few bucks at a time. And he still looks like a saint to the liberal retards who voted for him. They'll say "...look at what a compassionate man he is, in spite of a weak economy, obama got us all these wonderful new programs to help us, and he did it without raising taxes on the working poor. He stuck it to the evil corporations!!!" followed by "I wonder why I have to pay so much more for everything I buy nowadays..."
slowshooter wrote: High Sierras wrote:
I'm starting to like the idea of corporate taxes -- now the deadbeat occutards and welfare crowd will have to start paying their 'fair share'.
If you see this as an argument against "them" in terms of the middle class vs the poor, then you are misguided. It is and always will be the 1% against everyone else. You think you are different from the guy on welfare? To the 1% there is no difference between the guy that earns 125K a year and 25k a year.
No, not against the middle class and poor. The arguement I see is that taxing corporations is just stupid. If the corporation doesn't flee to a more favorable tax climate (the middle class and the poor loose on jobs), they will pay the tax and jack up the cost of whatever goods or services they provide (the middle class and the poor loose on buying power since everything costs more). Either way the middle class and the poor loose in the end.
All you are saying is that you believe the average American citizen is a corporation's bitch. And that's a position you are happy to take for money.
Wrong. All I'm saying is that if you think that obama proposing taxing the corporations is going to take from the rich and give to the institutionally poor, you've been watching too many reruns of Robin Hood. The liberal idea being floated about right now is taxing those 'evil' corporations to squeeze them to pay (say it with me, brother Slow...) "their fair share
!" Mindlessly chanting that makes you feel better now, doesn't it
? What the good little donkeys (and I mean that in the most flattering way possible...especially to you, Slow) don't seem to get is that ultimately it's not about punishing the evil corporations... the liberal elites of the country know they can't sustain this level of government spending unless they get EVERYBODY
to pay more in taxes.
Honestly raising taxes on the 47% will cost them elections, so they can't do that.
Not raising taxes on the 47% will limit how much they can get their hands on to spend, they can't conceive of that either.
So they've opted for what has worked int he past... The politics of envy and hate. Paint the corporations as evil, soul-less monsters. Get the weak minded to fall in line calling for the taxation of the corporations. Rasie taxes on those mean SOB's and voila! The poor are now paying for the utopian dream. And to the little donkeys, obama looks like a saint in the process.
slowshooter wrote:Do you want the citizens to run this country or should I take your comment to mean that it's all okay the way it is today?
No, I've been to San Francisco. I've been to Stockton. I sure as hell don't want those citizens running anything more than an ice cream cart. I want honest, ethical people who know how to run a sucessful business to run the government. I sure as he!! don't want a dimwit community organizer, who's greatest job qualification for president is that he ran the colllegiate newspaper for a few years, to play social engineering with the lives and freedoms of 300 million of my fellow Americans.
slowshooter wrote:I'm pretty confident that you can get a dental protector sewn into a pillow so the next time a corporation makes you bite down you won't choke on fabric.
I don't think I'll ever need it, personally, but if you have the name & number of the tailor who made yours, feel free to post it. We won't judge you for your fetishes.