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Re: How about some taxes on corporate?

Postby clampdaddy » Sat Jul 06, 2013 10:31 am

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Re: How about some taxes on corporate?

Postby vincentpa » Mon Jul 08, 2013 6:06 am

slowshooter wrote:
Indaswamp wrote:
slowshooter wrote:
Indaswamp wrote:Boom. there it is. Thanks for posting Vinny. :clapping:


Just because your state produces more than his does doesn't justify being condescending to the poor guy.

My post was not condescending.



Tell Vince that. He's crying right now because he knows your state makes more than his does.

Poor guy. Just be nice to him for awhile. He forgets. :lol3:



Just because you haven't seen your next door neighbor in a few weeks around his trailer doesn't mean he moved to another state. He probably just started his third prison term.

The other rubbish you flippantly ripped off is just that garbage. If you repeat it enough times, YOU might actually start to believe it. Unfortunately for CA, the actual situation is what I have described.
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Re: How about some taxes on corporate?

Postby SpinnerMan » Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:32 am

slowshooter wrote:If you don't think the government should redistribute money then stop paying your taxes right now.
Say it loud and say it proud, you are for empowering the government to take from one person and give it to another for their personal benefit (aka redistribution).

The irony is that you then get mad when the "wrong" people use this power to redistribute the wealth to themselves and not others.

Who is a powerful government going to help? The powerful or the powerless? :huh:

OK, just because I know you are to slow to get the answer, I will tell you. The powerless will get screwed.

slowshooter wrote:And if you think that corporations should be paid by government to rape a community coffer, that only cements you being a corporatist tool and suckling.
You support empowering the government to do just this and then you imply people like me that wish to take that power away from the government support it. Your a damn fool and a sucker for the powerful to empower the government to use it for their personal benefit. They get you every time.

The 1%'ers will ALWAYS have more power over government. The protection against it is to force the government to stick to the basics. Otherwise, you will get exactly what we see as the result with people like you whining about how that power you wanted to hand over to the government is being misused. OF COURSE IT WAS GOING TO BE MISUSED :fingerhead: And it will be every Image time.

Do conmen keep it simple or do the make it complicated and a big rush to make a decision before you have time to think it through and reflect upon it? How is almost everything done by government these days? :huh: And that tells you we need more of it and they will solve the problem :lol3: :lol3: :lol3:

Simple, straightforward, and limited in scope to the things only government can do. That is how you deal with a necessary evil in a logical world.
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Re: How about some taxes on corporate?

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Re: How about some taxes on corporate?

Postby cartervj » Mon Jul 08, 2013 5:58 pm

SpinnerMan wrote:
slowshooter wrote:If you don't think the government should redistribute money then stop paying your taxes right now.
Say it loud and say it proud, you are for empowering the government to take from one person and give it to another for their personal benefit (aka redistribution).

The irony is that you then get mad when the "wrong" people use this power to redistribute the wealth to themselves and not others.

Who is a powerful government going to help? The powerful or the powerless? :huh:

OK, just because I know you are to slow to get the answer, I will tell you. The powerless will get screwed.

slowshooter wrote:And if you think that corporations should be paid by government to rape a community coffer, that only cements you being a corporatist tool and suckling.
You support empowering the government to do just this and then you imply people like me that wish to take that power away from the government support it. Your a damn fool and a sucker for the powerful to empower the government to use it for their personal benefit. They get you every time.

The 1%'ers will ALWAYS have more power over government. The protection against it is to force the government to stick to the basics. Otherwise, you will get exactly what we see as the result with people like you whining about how that power you wanted to hand over to the government is being misused. OF COURSE IT WAS GOING TO BE MISUSED :fingerhead: And it will be every Image time.

Do conmen keep it simple or do the make it complicated and a big rush to make a decision before you have time to think it through and reflect upon it? How is almost everything done by government these days? :huh: And that tells you we need more of it and they will solve the problem :lol3: :lol3: :lol3:

Simple, straightforward, and limited in scope to the things only government can do. That is how you deal with a necessary evil in a logical world.



BOOM! :lol3: :lol3: :lol3: :lol3:
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Re: How about some taxes on corporate?

Postby High Sierras » Tue Jul 09, 2013 5:55 pm

Have we decided if it's a good idea or not to have the "evil corporations" collect the new taxes the Dem's don't have the balls to squeeze the working poor for?
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Re: How about some taxes on corporate?

Postby Butta boom » Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:53 pm

So you want more taxes, what do you think should be done with the revenue ? Grow the beast called government even more ? Fully implement Obama care. Rob from the rich and give to the poor? It's about time this Robin Hood mentality is exposed for what it is.

You want to punish the successful, foolishly thinking that will make you happier. Let me tell you what will make you happy. Actually become a waterfowl hunter. Maybe try to learn to fish. Spend some time in the great outdoors. Quit trying to make things the way they were because few folks, and all enviros, don't know how it was. Real outdoor knowledge can't happen on your sofa.

After you buy those bitchin Robin Hood leggings, what on earth should we do with GE's tax money if it ever shows up?
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Re: How about some taxes on corporate?

Postby High Sierras » Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:58 pm

slowshooter wrote:
vincentpa wrote:slow also forgot to address the fact that the middle and especially upper middle class are fleeing CA in droves.
LOL! Nope. The fact is that the lower middle class and poor are leaving because they can't afford to live here. Even the illegals aren't coming here en masses because they can't make enough money to afford working here. They are staying home to enjoy the benefits of a resurgent middle class in Mexico and elsewhere.
So are businesses. They are all fleeing CA's tax structure. Unfortunately for CA, they're being replaced with low-skilled unedacted people.
I'm all for companies moving out of the area and taking all you non native californians home. Except of course for my friends who have proved their value to the state. Ans because they're good peeps. :lol3:
Recently this has been catastrophic for CA. Many of those successful business, especially the agri-business were built when CA still voted Republican. Now, even the high tech companies are leaving. Pittsburgh thanks you and all the other dumbass liberals from CA. You've sent quite a number of high tech companies our way! Hell, we're even getting movies filmed here because it's cheaper. :thumbsup: Keep it coming slow!
Haa haaa! Seriously... California could cut itself in half in terms of land & money and the only thing it would do is move your state further down list toward loserveille. Nice wishful thinking though. We'll get right on making sure you guys get more of our breadcrumbs to be proud of. :lol3: :lol3:
What is truly sad about CA's loss is/was how preventable it was. Who wouldn't want to live in CA. The climate is varied and beautiful. There many cosmopolitan cities close by to beautiful natural areas from mountains, to deserts to oceans. Business could thrive in a place like CA. The best workers would relocate from anywhere to live in a place like that.

They do.
That is until the liberal seize control and F things up. They actually did what wasn't thought possible. The made CA a place to leave instead of a place to go. All of those educated middle to high earners have/are relocating to places like AZ, TX, GA, FL and yes Pittsburgh to escape the madness.

Just the ones that can tolerate conservatives. And there aren't that many of them. We're glad to see them go! More room for Baywatch babes! :grooving:
We'll take those evil corporations and all of the jobs they bring. :lol3: :lol3: :lol3:

Please do!


California stats...

California ranks 50th (dead last) in cost to do business in the States.
48th (almost dead last) in business friendliness.
California has the highest Gas tax (by far).
California has the highest statewide sales tax rate.
California has the highest personal income top marginal rate (13.3%).
California is ranked 9th highest in corporate income tax rates.
California is ranked 15th highest in property taxes.
California State Government consumes 11.2 % of the State's GDP. (4th highest taxing State in the country).
California is ranked one of the 5 worst States to retire in (Kipplingers).
California had the highest percentage of residents living in poverty in the nation: 23.5 percent.
California ranks 45th out of 50 for unemployment rate.
California is mandated by law to spend 52% of our annual budget on education...

But we rank almost dead last in education (either 47th or 49th out of 50, depending on who's numbers you want to believe in).



Once you've traveled across the deserts of Nevada, Utah, Arizona and seen how some folks have to eek out a living...I've often said of most western states that God forsook them, but it was the people who made them great. California is a shining example of a land blessed by God with all kinds of resources, and absolutely screwed into the ground by it's liberal policies.
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Re: How about some taxes on corporate?

Postby clampdaddy » Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:10 pm

High Sierras wrote: California is a shining example of a land blessed by God with all kinds of resources, and absolutely screwed into the ground by it's liberal policies.


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Re: How about some taxes on corporate?

Postby Glimmerjim » Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:25 pm

High Sierras wrote:
slowshooter wrote:
vincentpa wrote:slow also forgot to address the fact that the middle and especially upper middle class are fleeing CA in droves.
LOL! Nope. The fact is that the lower middle class and poor are leaving because they can't afford to live here. Even the illegals aren't coming here en masses because they can't make enough money to afford working here. They are staying home to enjoy the benefits of a resurgent middle class in Mexico and elsewhere.
So are businesses. They are all fleeing CA's tax structure. Unfortunately for CA, they're being replaced with low-skilled unedacted people.
I'm all for companies moving out of the area and taking all you non native californians home. Except of course for my friends who have proved their value to the state. Ans because they're good peeps. :lol3:
Recently this has been catastrophic for CA. Many of those successful business, especially the agri-business were built when CA still voted Republican. Now, even the high tech companies are leaving. Pittsburgh thanks you and all the other dumbass liberals from CA. You've sent quite a number of high tech companies our way! Hell, we're even getting movies filmed here because it's cheaper. :thumbsup: Keep it coming slow!
Haa haaa! Seriously... California could cut itself in half in terms of land & money and the only thing it would do is move your state further down list toward loserveille. Nice wishful thinking though. We'll get right on making sure you guys get more of our breadcrumbs to be proud of. :lol3: :lol3:
What is truly sad about CA's loss is/was how preventable it was. Who wouldn't want to live in CA. The climate is varied and beautiful. There many cosmopolitan cities close by to beautiful natural areas from mountains, to deserts to oceans. Business could thrive in a place like CA. The best workers would relocate from anywhere to live in a place like that.

They do.
That is until the liberal seize control and F things up. They actually did what wasn't thought possible. The made CA a place to leave instead of a place to go. All of those educated middle to high earners have/are relocating to places like AZ, TX, GA, FL and yes Pittsburgh to escape the madness.

Just the ones that can tolerate conservatives. And there aren't that many of them. We're glad to see them go! More room for Baywatch babes! :grooving:
We'll take those evil corporations and all of the jobs they bring. :lol3: :lol3: :lol3:

Please do!


California stats...

California ranks 50th (dead last) in cost to do business in the States.
48th (almost dead last) in business friendliness.
California has the highest Gas tax (by far).
California has the highest statewide sales tax rate.
California has the highest personal income top marginal rate (13.3%).
California is ranked 9th highest in corporate income tax rates.
California is ranked 15th highest in property taxes.
California State Government consumes 11.2 % of the State's GDP. (4th highest taxing State in the country).
California is ranked one of the 5 worst States to retire in (Kipplingers).
California had the highest percentage of residents living in poverty in the nation: 23.5 percent.
California ranks 45th out of 50 for unemployment rate.
California is mandated by law to spend 52% of our annual budget on education...

But we rank almost dead last in education (either 47th or 49th out of 50, depending on who's numbers you want to believe in).



Once you've traveled across the deserts of Nevada, Utah, Arizona and seen how some folks have to eek out a living...I've often said of most western states that God forsook them, but it was the people who made them great. California is a shining example of a land blessed by God with all kinds of resources, and absolutely screwed into the ground by it's liberal policies.

It's expensive to live in CA. It has twice as many millionaires as any other state. It does NOT have the highest percentage of residents living in poverty by a long measure. We stand at about .5% above the national avg. The educational system is a travesty, I could not agree more. Just about every other of your facts I can produce opposing data. Don't hate us because we're wealthy and beautiful. Being the 7th largest economy economy in the world is absolutely disgraceful. Maybe if you ask nice we'll toss you more crumbs! :thumbsup:
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Re: How about some taxes on corporate?

Postby cartervj » Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:57 pm

clampdaddy wrote:
High Sierras wrote: California is a shining example of a land blessed by God with all kinds of resources, and absolutely screwed into the ground by it's liberal policies.


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Re: How about some taxes on corporate?

Postby Glimmerjim » Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:30 pm

clampdaddy wrote:If there were some tities around here there would be no reason to ever leave the ci forum.

Now that is one hell of an insightful post, cd! :beer: Let's just call it the "Controversial Issues and Perky Breasts " thread! :beer: :thumbsup: We get too emotionally wrapped up in an argument, a good pair of boobs is ample distraction! :thumbsup:
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Re: How about some taxes on corporate?

Postby High Sierras » Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:46 am

Glimmerjim wrote:
High Sierras wrote:
slowshooter wrote:
vincentpa wrote:slow also forgot to address the fact that the middle and especially upper middle class are fleeing CA in droves.
LOL! Nope. The fact is that the lower middle class and poor are leaving because they can't afford to live here. Even the illegals aren't coming here en masses because they can't make enough money to afford working here. They are staying home to enjoy the benefits of a resurgent middle class in Mexico and elsewhere.
So are businesses. They are all fleeing CA's tax structure. Unfortunately for CA, they're being replaced with low-skilled unedacted people.
I'm all for companies moving out of the area and taking all you non native californians home. Except of course for my friends who have proved their value to the state. Ans because they're good peeps. :lol3:
Recently this has been catastrophic for CA. Many of those successful business, especially the agri-business were built when CA still voted Republican. Now, even the high tech companies are leaving. Pittsburgh thanks you and all the other dumbass liberals from CA. You've sent quite a number of high tech companies our way! Hell, we're even getting movies filmed here because it's cheaper. :thumbsup: Keep it coming slow!
Haa haaa! Seriously... California could cut itself in half in terms of land & money and the only thing it would do is move your state further down list toward loserveille. Nice wishful thinking though. We'll get right on making sure you guys get more of our breadcrumbs to be proud of. :lol3: :lol3:
What is truly sad about CA's loss is/was how preventable it was. Who wouldn't want to live in CA. The climate is varied and beautiful. There many cosmopolitan cities close by to beautiful natural areas from mountains, to deserts to oceans. Business could thrive in a place like CA. The best workers would relocate from anywhere to live in a place like that.

They do.
That is until the liberal seize control and F things up. They actually did what wasn't thought possible. The made CA a place to leave instead of a place to go. All of those educated middle to high earners have/are relocating to places like AZ, TX, GA, FL and yes Pittsburgh to escape the madness.

Just the ones that can tolerate conservatives. And there aren't that many of them. We're glad to see them go! More room for Baywatch babes! :grooving:
We'll take those evil corporations and all of the jobs they bring. :lol3: :lol3: :lol3:

Please do!


California stats...

California ranks 50th (dead last) in cost to do business in the States.
48th (almost dead last) in business friendliness.
California has the highest Gas tax (by far).
California has the highest statewide sales tax rate.
California has the highest personal income top marginal rate (13.3%).
California is ranked 9th highest in corporate income tax rates.
California is ranked 15th highest in property taxes.
California State Government consumes 11.2 % of the State's GDP. (4th highest taxing State in the country).
California is ranked one of the 5 worst States to retire in (Kipplingers).
California had the highest percentage of residents living in poverty in the nation: 23.5 percent.
California ranks 45th out of 50 for unemployment rate.
California is mandated by law to spend 52% of our annual budget on education...But we rank almost dead last in education (either 47th or 49th out of 50, depending on who's numbers you want to believe in).

Once you've traveled across the deserts of Nevada, Utah, Arizona and seen how some folks have to eek out a living...I've often said of most western states that God forsook them, but it was the people who made them great. California is a shining example of a land blessed by God with all kinds of resources, and absolutely screwed into the ground by it's liberal policies.



It's expensive to live in CA. It has twice as many millionaires as any other state. It does NOT have the highest percentage of residents living in poverty by a long measure. We stand at about .5% above the national avg. The educational system is a travesty, I could not agree more. Just about every other of your facts I can produce opposing data. Don't hate us because we're wealthy and beautiful. Being the 7th largest economy economy in the world is absolutely disgraceful. Maybe if you ask nice we'll toss you more crumbs! :thumbsup:



Go for it Jim.

Show me another State that has higher combined state and federal gas taxes.
Show me another State that has a higher statewide sales tax rate.
Show me another State that has a higher top marginal income tax rate.
Give me the rates of 10 States that have a higher corporate income tax rate than us.
Give me the rates of 16 States that have higher property tax rates than us.
Give me the names of 5 States that consume more of their GDP than Cali.
Show me 6 or 7 other states in the union with a higher unemployment rate.

Yes, we have more millionaires in California than anywhere else. But most of them didn't make their fortunes here, they simply choose to reside here because we've been blessed with a great climate and the cost of living doesn't impact them like the middle class. I see them all the time in Truckee... off for a week of vacationing at the cabin at Squaw Valley, but they still have to reluctantly rub elbows with the unwashed masses at the grocery store in town. We DO also have the largest percentage of folks living in poverty. As far as the poverty rate in California, we're statistically tied with Washington DC, which came in at 23.2 percent.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/14/california-poverty_n_2132920.html
Another website puts us in as both the richest and poorest State in the union... http://www.foxandhoundsdaily.com/2013/05/california-is-richest-poorest-state/
And yet another...
http://www.ppic.org/main/publication_show.asp?i=261

None of those facts can be disputed. The ranking of 'worst state in the union to conduct buisness in' and the ranking of 'business unfriendliness' ... taken from a poll from MSNBC last month. The ranking as one of the worst 5 states to retire in, from Kipplingers. OK, those are speculative, I'll give you that. The only reason we are the world's seventh largest economy is due to what I stated before... the Golden State was blessed by God with resources like warm water harbors, fertile farmland, and mineral resources the likes no other place on the planet has.

And we've done our dead level best to squeeze as much money out of the hands of people and businesses trying to make a living out here for all our ridiculous social engineering experiments that we are the 'golden standard' of liberal crazyness. No one 'hates us because we're wealthy and beautiful', they shake their heads in amazement at how we squander money and resources they can only dream about.
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Re: How about some taxes on corporate?

Postby ScaupHunter » Mon Jul 15, 2013 1:24 pm

Glimmerjim wrote:
High Sierras wrote:
slowshooter wrote:
vincentpa wrote:slow also forgot to address the fact that the middle and especially upper middle class are fleeing CA in droves.
LOL! Nope. The fact is that the lower middle class and poor are leaving because they can't afford to live here. Even the illegals aren't coming here en masses because they can't make enough money to afford working here. They are staying home to enjoy the benefits of a resurgent middle class in Mexico and elsewhere.
So are businesses. They are all fleeing CA's tax structure. Unfortunately for CA, they're being replaced with low-skilled unedacted people.
I'm all for companies moving out of the area and taking all you non native californians home. Except of course for my friends who have proved their value to the state. Ans because they're good peeps. :lol3:
Recently this has been catastrophic for CA. Many of those successful business, especially the agri-business were built when CA still voted Republican. Now, even the high tech companies are leaving. Pittsburgh thanks you and all the other dumbass liberals from CA. You've sent quite a number of high tech companies our way! Hell, we're even getting movies filmed here because it's cheaper. :thumbsup: Keep it coming slow!
Haa haaa! Seriously... California could cut itself in half in terms of land & money and the only thing it would do is move your state further down list toward loserveille. Nice wishful thinking though. We'll get right on making sure you guys get more of our breadcrumbs to be proud of. :lol3: :lol3:
What is truly sad about CA's loss is/was how preventable it was. Who wouldn't want to live in CA. The climate is varied and beautiful. There many cosmopolitan cities close by to beautiful natural areas from mountains, to deserts to oceans. Business could thrive in a place like CA. The best workers would relocate from anywhere to live in a place like that.

They do.
That is until the liberal seize control and F things up. They actually did what wasn't thought possible. The made CA a place to leave instead of a place to go. All of those educated middle to high earners have/are relocating to places like AZ, TX, GA, FL and yes Pittsburgh to escape the madness.

Just the ones that can tolerate conservatives. And there aren't that many of them. We're glad to see them go! More room for Baywatch babes! :grooving:
We'll take those evil corporations and all of the jobs they bring. :lol3: :lol3: :lol3:

Please do!


California stats...

California ranks 50th (dead last) in cost to do business in the States.
48th (almost dead last) in business friendliness.
California has the highest Gas tax (by far).
California has the highest statewide sales tax rate.
California has the highest personal income top marginal rate (13.3%).
California is ranked 9th highest in corporate income tax rates.
California is ranked 15th highest in property taxes.
California State Government consumes 11.2 % of the State's GDP. (4th highest taxing State in the country).
California is ranked one of the 5 worst States to retire in (Kipplingers).
California had the highest percentage of residents living in poverty in the nation: 23.5 percent.
California ranks 45th out of 50 for unemployment rate.
California is mandated by law to spend 52% of our annual budget on education...

But we rank almost dead last in education (either 47th or 49th out of 50, depending on who's numbers you want to believe in).



Once you've traveled across the deserts of Nevada, Utah, Arizona and seen how some folks have to eek out a living...I've often said of most western states that God forsook them, but it was the people who made them great. California is a shining example of a land blessed by God with all kinds of resources, and absolutely screwed into the ground by it's liberal policies.

It's expensive to live in CA. It has twice as many millionaires as any other state. It does NOT have the highest percentage of residents living in poverty by a long measure. We stand at about .5% above the national avg. The educational system is a travesty, I could not agree more. Just about every other of your facts I can produce opposing data. Don't hate us because we're wealthy and beautiful. Being the 7th largest economy economy in the world is absolutely disgraceful. Maybe if you ask nice we'll toss you more crumbs! :thumbsup:



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Re: How about some taxes on corporate?

Postby slowshooter » Mon Jul 15, 2013 3:05 pm

clampdaddy wrote:If there were some tities around here there would be no reason to ever leave the ci forum.


That would be nice change of pace!
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Re: How about some taxes on corporate?

Postby go get the bird » Mon Jul 15, 2013 3:37 pm

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Re: How about some taxes on corporate?

Postby clampdaddy » Mon Jul 15, 2013 3:42 pm

You are a horrible person.
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Re: How about some taxes on corporate?

Postby Glimmerjim » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:10 am

ScaupHunter wrote:
Glimmerjim wrote:
High Sierras wrote:
slowshooter wrote:
vincentpa wrote:slow also forgot to address the fact that the middle and especially upper middle class are fleeing CA in droves.
LOL! Nope. The fact is that the lower middle class and poor are leaving because they can't afford to live here. Even the illegals aren't coming here en masses because they can't make enough money to afford working here. They are staying home to enjoy the benefits of a resurgent middle class in Mexico and elsewhere.
So are businesses. They are all fleeing CA's tax structure. Unfortunately for CA, they're being replaced with low-skilled unedacted people.
I'm all for companies moving out of the area and taking all you non native californians home. Except of course for my friends who have proved their value to the state. Ans because they're good peeps. :lol3:
Recently this has been catastrophic for CA. Many of those successful business, especially the agri-business were built when CA still voted Republican. Now, even the high tech companies are leaving. Pittsburgh thanks you and all the other dumbass liberals from CA. You've sent quite a number of high tech companies our way! Hell, we're even getting movies filmed here because it's cheaper. :thumbsup: Keep it coming slow!
Haa haaa! Seriously... California could cut itself in half in terms of land & money and the only thing it would do is move your state further down list toward loserveille. Nice wishful thinking though. We'll get right on making sure you guys get more of our breadcrumbs to be proud of. :lol3: :lol3:
What is truly sad about CA's loss is/was how preventable it was. Who wouldn't want to live in CA. The climate is varied and beautiful. There many cosmopolitan cities close by to beautiful natural areas from mountains, to deserts to oceans. Business could thrive in a place like CA. The best workers would relocate from anywhere to live in a place like that.

They do.
That is until the liberal seize control and F things up. They actually did what wasn't thought possible. The made CA a place to leave instead of a place to go. All of those educated middle to high earners have/are relocating to places like AZ, TX, GA, FL and yes Pittsburgh to escape the madness.

Just the ones that can tolerate conservatives. And there aren't that many of them. We're glad to see them go! More room for Baywatch babes! :grooving:
We'll take those evil corporations and all of the jobs they bring. :lol3: :lol3: :lol3:

Please do!


California stats...

California ranks 50th (dead last) in cost to do business in the States.
48th (almost dead last) in business friendliness.
California has the highest Gas tax (by far).
California has the highest statewide sales tax rate.
California has the highest personal income top marginal rate (13.3%).
California is ranked 9th highest in corporate income tax rates.
California is ranked 15th highest in property taxes.
California State Government consumes 11.2 % of the State's GDP. (4th highest taxing State in the country).
California is ranked one of the 5 worst States to retire in (Kipplingers).
California had the highest percentage of residents living in poverty in the nation: 23.5 percent.
California ranks 45th out of 50 for unemployment rate.
California is mandated by law to spend 52% of our annual budget on education...

But we rank almost dead last in education (either 47th or 49th out of 50, depending on who's numbers you want to believe in).



Once you've traveled across the deserts of Nevada, Utah, Arizona and seen how some folks have to eek out a living...I've often said of most western states that God forsook them, but it was the people who made them great. California is a shining example of a land blessed by God with all kinds of resources, and absolutely screwed into the ground by it's liberal policies.

It's expensive to live in CA. It has twice as many millionaires as any other state. It does NOT have the highest percentage of residents living in poverty by a long measure. We stand at about .5% above the national avg. The educational system is a travesty, I could not agree more. Just about every other of your facts I can produce opposing data. Don't hate us because we're wealthy and beautiful. Being the 7th largest economy economy in the world is absolutely disgraceful. Maybe if you ask nice we'll toss you more crumbs! :thumbsup:



Then why is the state broke?

You believe it's broke? Stand back and watch.
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Re: How about some taxes on corporate?

Postby Glimmerjim » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:15 am

High Sierras wrote: Go for it Jim.

Show me another State that has higher combined state and federal gas taxes.
Show me another State that has a higher statewide sales tax rate.
Show me another State that has a higher top marginal income tax rate.
Give me the rates of 10 States that have a higher corporate income tax rate than us.
Give me the rates of 16 States that have higher property tax rates than us.
Give me the names of 5 States that consume more of their GDP than Cali.
Show me 6 or 7 other states in the union with a higher unemployment rate.

Yes, we have more millionaires in California than anywhere else. But most of them didn't make their fortunes here, they simply choose to reside here because we've been blessed with a great climate and the cost of living doesn't impact them like the middle class. I see them all the time in Truckee... off for a week of vacationing at the cabin at Squaw Valley, but they still have to reluctantly rub elbows with the unwashed masses at the grocery store in town. We DO also have the largest percentage of folks living in poverty. As far as the poverty rate in California, we're statistically tied with Washington DC, which came in at 23.2 percent.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/14/california-poverty_n_2132920.html
Another website puts us in as both the richest and poorest State in the union... http://www.foxandhoundsdaily.com/2013/05/california-is-richest-poorest-state/
And yet another...
http://www.ppic.org/main/publication_show.asp?i=261

None of those facts can be disputed. The ranking of 'worst state in the union to conduct buisness in' and the ranking of 'business unfriendliness' ... taken from a poll from MSNBC last month. The ranking as one of the worst 5 states to retire in, from Kipplingers. OK, those are speculative, I'll give you that. The only reason we are the world's seventh largest economy is due to what I stated before... the Golden State was blessed by God with resources like warm water harbors, fertile farmland, and mineral resources the likes no other place on the planet has.

And we've done our dead level best to squeeze as much money out of the hands of people and businesses trying to make a living out here for all our ridiculous social engineering experiments that we are the 'golden standard' of liberal crazyness. No one 'hates us because we're wealthy and beautiful', they shake their heads in amazement at how we squander money and resources they can only dream about.

Tired night, HS, Went out of a boat in Berkeley today. I will do my best to address your contentions rationally tomorrow! :beer:
But I do appreciate your last statement in that CA has everything that every other state in the union can only dream about. Sweat dreams! :lol3: :lol3:
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Re: How about some taxes on corporate?

Postby SpinnerMan » Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:50 am

Glimmerjim wrote:But I do appreciate your last statement in that CA has everything that every other state in the union can only dream about.
And Mexico has everything most every other country can dream about, so that doesn't go very far.
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Re: How about some taxes on corporate?

Postby High Sierras » Wed Jul 17, 2013 7:42 am

Glimmerjim wrote:
High Sierras wrote: Go for it Jim.

Show me another State that has higher combined state and federal gas taxes.
Show me another State that has a higher statewide sales tax rate.
Show me another State that has a higher top marginal income tax rate.
Give me the rates of 10 States that have a higher corporate income tax rate than us.
Give me the rates of 16 States that have higher property tax rates than us.
Give me the names of 5 States that consume more of their GDP than Cali.
Show me 6 or 7 other states in the union with a higher unemployment rate.

Yes, we have more millionaires in California than anywhere else. But most of them didn't make their fortunes here, they simply choose to reside here because we've been blessed with a great climate and the cost of living doesn't impact them like the middle class. I see them all the time in Truckee... off for a week of vacationing at the cabin at Squaw Valley, but they still have to reluctantly rub elbows with the unwashed masses at the grocery store in town. We DO also have the largest percentage of folks living in poverty. As far as the poverty rate in California, we're statistically tied with Washington DC, which came in at 23.2 percent.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/14/california-poverty_n_2132920.html
Another website puts us in as both the richest and poorest State in the union... http://www.foxandhoundsdaily.com/2013/05/california-is-richest-poorest-state/
And yet another...
http://www.ppic.org/main/publication_show.asp?i=261

None of those facts can be disputed. The ranking of 'worst state in the union to conduct buisness in' and the ranking of 'business unfriendliness' ... taken from a poll from MSNBC last month. The ranking as one of the worst 5 states to retire in, from Kipplingers. OK, those are speculative, I'll give you that. The only reason we are the world's seventh largest economy is due to what I stated before... the Golden State was blessed by God with resources like warm water harbors, fertile farmland, and mineral resources the likes no other place on the planet has.

And we've done our dead level best to squeeze as much money out of the hands of people and businesses trying to make a living out here for all our ridiculous social engineering experiments that we are the 'golden standard' of liberal crazyness. No one 'hates us because we're wealthy and beautiful', they shake their heads in amazement at how we squander money and resources they can only dream about.

Tired night, HS, Went out of a boat in Berkeley today. I will do my best to address your contentions rationally tomorrow! :beer:
But I do appreciate your last statement in that CA has everything that every other state in the union can only dream about. Sweat dreams! :lol3: :lol3:



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Re: How about some taxes on corporate?

Postby ScaupHunter » Wed Jul 17, 2013 8:27 am

Glimmerjim wrote:
ScaupHunter wrote:
Glimmerjim wrote:
High Sierras wrote:
slowshooter wrote:
vincentpa wrote:slow also forgot to address the fact that the middle and especially upper middle class are fleeing CA in droves.
LOL! Nope. The fact is that the lower middle class and poor are leaving because they can't afford to live here. Even the illegals aren't coming here en masses because they can't make enough money to afford working here. They are staying home to enjoy the benefits of a resurgent middle class in Mexico and elsewhere.
So are businesses. They are all fleeing CA's tax structure. Unfortunately for CA, they're being replaced with low-skilled unedacted people.
I'm all for companies moving out of the area and taking all you non native californians home. Except of course for my friends who have proved their value to the state. Ans because they're good peeps. :lol3:
Recently this has been catastrophic for CA. Many of those successful business, especially the agri-business were built when CA still voted Republican. Now, even the high tech companies are leaving. Pittsburgh thanks you and all the other dumbass liberals from CA. You've sent quite a number of high tech companies our way! Hell, we're even getting movies filmed here because it's cheaper. :thumbsup: Keep it coming slow!
Haa haaa! Seriously... California could cut itself in half in terms of land & money and the only thing it would do is move your state further down list toward loserveille. Nice wishful thinking though. We'll get right on making sure you guys get more of our breadcrumbs to be proud of. :lol3: :lol3:
What is truly sad about CA's loss is/was how preventable it was. Who wouldn't want to live in CA. The climate is varied and beautiful. There many cosmopolitan cities close by to beautiful natural areas from mountains, to deserts to oceans. Business could thrive in a place like CA. The best workers would relocate from anywhere to live in a place like that.

They do.
That is until the liberal seize control and F things up. They actually did what wasn't thought possible. The made CA a place to leave instead of a place to go. All of those educated middle to high earners have/are relocating to places like AZ, TX, GA, FL and yes Pittsburgh to escape the madness.

Just the ones that can tolerate conservatives. And there aren't that many of them. We're glad to see them go! More room for Baywatch babes! :grooving:
We'll take those evil corporations and all of the jobs they bring. :lol3: :lol3: :lol3:

Please do!


California stats...

California ranks 50th (dead last) in cost to do business in the States.
48th (almost dead last) in business friendliness.
California has the highest Gas tax (by far).
California has the highest statewide sales tax rate.
California has the highest personal income top marginal rate (13.3%).
California is ranked 9th highest in corporate income tax rates.
California is ranked 15th highest in property taxes.
California State Government consumes 11.2 % of the State's GDP. (4th highest taxing State in the country).
California is ranked one of the 5 worst States to retire in (Kipplingers).
California had the highest percentage of residents living in poverty in the nation: 23.5 percent.
California ranks 45th out of 50 for unemployment rate.
California is mandated by law to spend 52% of our annual budget on education...

But we rank almost dead last in education (either 47th or 49th out of 50, depending on who's numbers you want to believe in).



Once you've traveled across the deserts of Nevada, Utah, Arizona and seen how some folks have to eek out a living...I've often said of most western states that God forsook them, but it was the people who made them great. California is a shining example of a land blessed by God with all kinds of resources, and absolutely screwed into the ground by it's liberal policies.

It's expensive to live in CA. It has twice as many millionaires as any other state. It does NOT have the highest percentage of residents living in poverty by a long measure. We stand at about .5% above the national avg. The educational system is a travesty, I could not agree more. Just about every other of your facts I can produce opposing data. Don't hate us because we're wealthy and beautiful. Being the 7th largest economy economy in the world is absolutely disgraceful. Maybe if you ask nice we'll toss you more crumbs! :thumbsup:



Then why is the state broke?

You believe it's broke? Stand back and watch.



There is nothing left to watch but a train wreck. California is dead broke. Hence the desperate and constant efforts to increase taxes in your state Your grasp of your states economics is clearly very weak.

We have processed over a dozen applications for building construction and tenant improvements in the last 4 months for businesses from California that are moving out. Some of them are very large businesses. The 9 months before that we processed another 30 permits and developments for California businesses. Your economy is not getting better Jim, it is getting worse which frankly is hard to do. The businesses fleeing like rats leaving a sinking ship is a symptom of the larger problem.
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