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Re: The ACS and you.

Postby ohioboy » Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:33 pm

So drones, subs, and anything else is covered by the whole living document thing. It's simple. The wording is loose for a reason. They foresaw changes and growth.
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Re: The ACS and you.

Postby ohioboy » Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:36 pm

SpinnerMan wrote:
ohioboy wrote:The system is designed for citizen input is it not?

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NO!

I don't know how I would describe the system as originally designed, nor how I would describe the evolution of that system. But the federal government is most definitely not designed for citizen input, whatever that is supposed to mean. You can show up at a town council meeting and speak your mind, that would seem to meet the definition, but state and federal are not. Primarily because it is totally impractical and that was long before there were over 300 million people. Campaign finance and judicial activism and so many things have since designed the system for the party machines and away from the representatives of the people and of the state legislatures.

I think lying about the number of people is and should be criminal. Is it OK for community organizers like Obama to jack up the numbers so his community has more representatives in Congress and more electoral votes in the Presidential election? Of course not, but turn about is fair play, so don't complain when they beat you at your own game.

As far as the other stuff unrelated to apportionment, it is a totally different question and I see the value of it, but much of that value results from the government doing things they should never be doing in the first place. Knowledge is power, so are you empowering the beast or helping your government be more efficient? Obviously some of both and can't argue against whatever decision people make.


It is illegal to give false info. Apparently Assa did not know that. :bow:
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Re: The ACS and you.

Postby ohioboy » Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:38 pm

OmegaRed wrote:
SpinnerMan wrote:
ohioboy wrote:The system is designed for citizen input is it not?

Image Image Image Image Image Image Image

NO!

I don't know how I would describe the system as originally designed, nor how I would describe the evolution of that system. But the federal government is most definitely not designed for citizen input, whatever that is supposed to mean. You can show up at a town council meeting and speak your mind, that would seem to meet the definition, but state and federal are not. Primarily because it is totally impractical and that was long before there were over 300 million people. Campaign finance and judicial activism and so many things have since designed the system for the party machines and away from the representatives of the people and of the state legislatures.

I think lying about the number of people is and should be criminal. Is it OK for community organizers like Obama to jack up the numbers so his community has more representatives in Congress and more electoral votes in the Presidential election? Of course not, but turn about is fair play, so don't complain when they beat you at your own game.

As far as the other stuff unrelated to apportionment, it is a totally different question and I see the value of it, but much of that value results from the government doing things they should never be doing in the first place. Knowledge is power, so are you empowering the beast or helping your government be more efficient? Obviously some of both and can't argue against whatever decision people make.


Without the us vs. them mentality - I can assure you - census data has an effect on everyone, and helps government (state and local as well) and private sector to try and make informed decisions. If I'm trying to determine if I should locate a machine shop in a certain town, I can go on american fact finder 2 (the census data hub) and relatively easily find out how many machine shops in a block group, what their gross income is, population, races, etc. and infer whether or not it may be a good spot to locate my new business. It's not just the federal government / big brother spying apparatus that you guys are making it out to be.

It's very effective when you can put graphics and maps with it to show change/growth over time. I use it often.
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Re: The ACS and you.

Postby SpinnerMan » Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:40 pm

ohioboy wrote:It is illegal to give false info. Apparently Assa did not know that. :bow:

I guarantee that he knew that. It's called civil disobedience. Something that I would hope everyone is capable of under the right circumstances. It was kind of key to the founding of our nation. If you go read the list of grievance in the Declaration of Independence, it's not a tough argument to make that a large fraction of them apply as more or more today as back then.

OmegaRed wrote:helps government (state and local as well)
Yes, but should we be helping or hindering government including state and local at this time? :huh:
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Re: The ACS and you.

Postby ohioboy » Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:41 pm

Assa, should Colorado put money towards the coast guard? You should be worried about "two if by sea" more than most on here. I don't think Boulder is very concerned.
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Re: The ACS and you.

Postby ohioboy » Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:43 pm

SpinnerMan wrote:
ohioboy wrote:It is illegal to give false info. Apparently Assa did not know that. :bow:

I guarantee that he knew that. It's called civil disobedience. Something that I would hope everyone is capable of under the right circumstances. It was kind of key to the founding of our nation. If you go read the list of grievance in the Declaration of Independence, it's not a tough argument to make that a large fraction of them apply as more or more today as back then.

OmegaRed wrote:helps government (state and local as well)
Yes, but should we be helping or hindering government including state and local at this time? :huh:


Wow. Way to stick it to them. :lol3: :lol3: :lol3:

Don't like it, man up and do something.
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Re: The ACS and you.

Postby SpinnerMan » Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:47 pm

ohioboy wrote:
SpinnerMan wrote:
ohioboy wrote:It is illegal to give false info. Apparently Assa did not know that. :bow:

I guarantee that he knew that. It's called civil disobedience. Something that I would hope everyone is capable of under the right circumstances. It was kind of key to the founding of our nation. If you go read the list of grievance in the Declaration of Independence, it's not a tough argument to make that a large fraction of them apply as more or more today as back then.

OmegaRed wrote:helps government (state and local as well)
Yes, but should we be helping or hindering government including state and local at this time? :huh:


Wow. Way to stick it to them. :lol3: :lol3: :lol3:

Don't like it, man up and do something.

You presume that that is the only thing that they are doing.

Besides, what do you want them to do? Burn a Walmart in protest?
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Re: The ACS and you.

Postby ohioboy » Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:54 pm

This guy is being disobedient.

http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/22760646/v ... z2ZEuwmRso

Refused to be fingerprinted. Refused to leave cell. I think refused to leave jail today.
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Re: The ACS and you.

Postby ohioboy » Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:59 pm

SpinnerMan wrote:
ohioboy wrote:
SpinnerMan wrote:
ohioboy wrote:It is illegal to give false info. Apparently Assa did not know that. :bow:

I guarantee that he knew that. It's called civil disobedience. Something that I would hope everyone is capable of under the right circumstances. It was kind of key to the founding of our nation. If you go read the list of grievance in the Declaration of Independence, it's not a tough argument to make that a large fraction of them apply as more or more today as back then.

OmegaRed wrote:helps government (state and local as well)
Yes, but should we be helping or hindering government including state and local at this time? :huh:


Wow. Way to stick it to them. :lol3: :lol3: :lol3:

Don't like it, man up and do something.

You presume that that is the only thing that they are doing.

Besides, what do you want them to do? Burn a Walmart in protest?


If I was that unhappy? Yes. Do something or shut up about it. It waters down the people who really try IMO.

I care about my guns. Try and take them and there will be an issue. Period. I'm no basa$$ but I have my limits. Maybe I am wrong and i am the fool. There is a free sig for you. :clapping:
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Re: The ACS and you.

Postby assateague » Tue Jul 16, 2013 2:02 pm

ohioboy wrote:Assa, should Colorado put money towards the coast guard? You should be worried about "two if by sea" more than most on here. I don't think Boulder is very concerned.



Ok, I'll say this slowly, but as a history teacher, I really shouldn't have to.

It doesn't matter what someone "wants" if it is enumerated in the Constitution. That power was given to the federal government. Period. Your argument for the "living document" concept seems to be that "it sure is nice when the government does _________, so ___________ qualifies as a legitimate exercise of federal power". It makes no sense.

The federal government conducts a census, then collects taxes from citizens in Davenport. They then look at the census data, and use it to determine how much money Davenport should get for sidewalks. Or perhaps, based on census data, Oxford, Mississippi should get the tax dollars from Davenportians for their sidewalks. This makes no sense whatsoever, nor is it even close to the same thing as saying someone in Boulder doesn't want to pay for the Coast Guard. One is mandated by the words of the Constitution (specifically enumerated, not conjured up through some parlor trick involving the phrase "Abracadabra", or "living document")

Show me where the federal government is supposed to collect dollars from everyone, and then apportion them for purposes which are not enumerated. That is my problem. I'm not certain why you're having such a difficult time understanding what is a very basic concept.
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Re: The ACS and you.

Postby assateague » Tue Jul 16, 2013 2:03 pm

ohioboy wrote:If I was that unhappy? Yes. Do something or shut up about it. It waters down the people who really try IMO.

I care about my guns. Try and take them and there will be an issue. Period. I'm no basa$$ but I have my limits. Maybe I am wrong and i am the fool. There is a free sig for you. :clapping:



Why? You believe the Constitution is a "living document", which shouldn't pertain to modern firearms anymore than a submarine, apparently.
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Re: The ACS and you.

Postby SpinnerMan » Tue Jul 16, 2013 2:22 pm

ohioboy wrote:If I was that unhappy? Yes. Do something or shut up about it. It waters down the people who really try IMO.
Well, you know what they say O's are like, and everyone has one.

You are acting just like a lib here. You are projecting an emotion upon them, something that is probably not true. You determine what objectives they should have and how what you assume about them is inadequate. Then you go on to say how much better you are as an individual.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I see it as no more than screw you, you can pound sand and not trying to change the world. Just a personal act of free will as oppose to willful compliance with government. The government said they had to and they said Image Does anybody think they are changing the world when the give someone the finger, literally or figuratively? :no: But sometimes, it just makes you feel good :yes:

I don't like tax cheats because that is giving your fellow taxpayers the finger. I don't like lying about how many people are in your household because again you are screwing your fellow Americans. Where is that line between screw your government and screw your fellow Americans? It's obviously very blurry. I have my opinions. I know that is all it is and I know what it is like. There aren't a lot of questions of fact here. Just opinions.
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Re: The ACS and you.

Postby ohioboy » Tue Jul 16, 2013 2:26 pm

assateague wrote:
ohioboy wrote:If I was that unhappy? Yes. Do something or shut up about it. It waters down the people who really try IMO.

I care about my guns. Try and take them and there will be an issue. Period. I'm no basa$$ but I have my limits. Maybe I am wrong and i am the fool. There is a free sig for you. :clapping:



Why? You believe the Constitution is a "living document", which shouldn't pertain to modern firearms anymore than a submarine, apparently.


No, I think it does. You are the literal one here. Modern=living document.

Assa, did I introduce a new term to you? Living document means it adapts as the country changes. Oh, still waiting on where the military pension is listed.
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Re: The ACS and you.

Postby ScaupHunter » Tue Jul 16, 2013 3:14 pm

I will make you the deal of the century Ohio. I will be completely honest with my government when it is totally honest with me. Until then I will lie to it at will. That government exists to serve me and others like me. Neither I nor anyone I know would say they have the right to lie to us ever!

You let me know when the Federal government is honest and I will straighten right up on my behavior. Until then F em!
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Re: The ACS and you.

Postby ScaupHunter » Tue Jul 16, 2013 3:18 pm

ohioboy wrote:This guy is being disobedient.

http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/22760646/v ... z2ZEuwmRso

Refused to be fingerprinted. Refused to leave cell. I think refused to leave jail today.


Damn those Marines. I hate it when they stand up for their rights. You know the ones they served and fought for.

Refusing to leave jail, refusing to cooperate. :lol3: :lol3: DC is going to flip when this ends up in SCOTUS and they loose another set of laws about gun control. The idiots walked right into the trap.
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Re: The ACS and you.

Postby ohioboy » Tue Jul 16, 2013 3:35 pm

ScaupHunter wrote:
ohioboy wrote:This guy is being disobedient.

http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/22760646/v ... z2ZEuwmRso

Refused to be fingerprinted. Refused to leave cell. I think refused to leave jail today.


Damn those Marines. I hate it when they stand up for their rights. You know the ones they served and fought for.

Refusing to leave jail, refusing to cooperate. :lol3: :lol3: DC is going to flip when this ends up in SCOTUS and they loose another set of laws about gun control. The idiots walked right into the trap.


I think it is awesome. Only problem was they found drugs in his house.
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Re: The ACS and you.

Postby ohioboy » Tue Jul 16, 2013 3:40 pm

WoodyWhiffingMG wrote:
ohioboy wrote:
assateague wrote:
ohioboy wrote:You were military. Guess you don't support paying troops with federal dollars. And surely not a pension for 20 years of service.



To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
To provide and maintain a Navy;


Article 1, Section 8.


You sure you're a history teacher?


But they are not helping me here in Poolesville. Ergo not needed. That is your argument.

Lets be clear, other parts of the country help out others in other ways. Yes?



That was a pretty stupid comment... do you want to rethink that?

Sarcasm. Proving a point. I have the utmost respect for the military. I have lots in the family. Our local economy would collapse if not for them too.
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Re: The ACS and you.

Postby ScaupHunter » Tue Jul 16, 2013 3:50 pm

ohioboy wrote:
ScaupHunter wrote:
ohioboy wrote:This guy is being disobedient.

http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/22760646/v ... z2ZEuwmRso

Refused to be fingerprinted. Refused to leave cell. I think refused to leave jail today.


Damn those Marines. I hate it when they stand up for their rights. You know the ones they served and fought for.

Refusing to leave jail, refusing to cooperate. :lol3: :lol3: DC is going to flip when this ends up in SCOTUS and they loose another set of laws about gun control. The idiots walked right into the trap.


I think it is awesome. Only problem was they found drugs in his house.



Was it Marijuana? He must live in Washington or California. Hard drugs? Or prescription drugs for PTSD? Inquiring minds want to know!
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Re: The ACS and you.

Postby ohioboy » Tue Jul 16, 2013 3:51 pm

ScaupHunter wrote:
ohioboy wrote:
ScaupHunter wrote:
ohioboy wrote:This guy is being disobedient.

http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/22760646/v ... z2ZEuwmRso

Refused to be fingerprinted. Refused to leave cell. I think refused to leave jail today.


Damn those Marines. I hate it when they stand up for their rights. You know the ones they served and fought for.

Refusing to leave jail, refusing to cooperate. :lol3: :lol3: DC is going to flip when this ends up in SCOTUS and they loose another set of laws about gun control. The idiots walked right into the trap.


I think it is awesome. Only problem was they found drugs in his house.



Was it Marijuana? He must live in Washington or California. Hard drugs? Or prescription drugs for PTSD? Inquiring minds want to know!


Shrooms I believe.
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Re: The ACS and you.

Postby boney fingers » Wed Jul 17, 2013 6:15 pm

ohioboy wrote:Responsible citizens fill it out.



Responsible governments have no need to know my skin color.
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Re: The ACS and you.

Postby boney fingers » Wed Jul 17, 2013 6:28 pm

OmegaRed wrote:
go get the bird wrote:Does anyone else feel like the ACS (American Community Survey) is a blatant invasion of privacy? What could the Census Bureau possibly need with the amount of time it takes me to get to work? Or with what type of work I do? This is insane.

Has anyone else thrown this thing away or told them to piss up a rope?

ACS wrote:The American Community Survey (ACS) is an ongoing survey that provides data every year -- giving communities the current information they need to plan investments and services. Information from the survey generates data that help determine how more than $400 billion in federal and state funds are distributed each year.

To help communities, state governments, and federal programs, we ask about:

•age
•sex
•race
•family and relationships

•income and benefits
•health insurance
•education
•veteran status

•disabilities
•where you work and how you get there
•where you live and how much you pay for some essentials

All this detail is combined into statistics that are used to help decide everything from school lunch programs to new hospitals.

http://www.census.gov/acs/www/about_the ... ty_survey/


I deal with census data quite a bit. It seems intrusive, and is to some point. I've had to explain this to lots of old timers that argue the same thing. Many things get based off census data - grants, funding for your community through allocations, HUD funding etc.

They also use the data for GIS quite a bit to. For example, DOT is looking at raising the speed limit from 65 to 70. They could look at commute time to work, amount of traffic in a given radius, with age of drivers and accidents in the same radius and make realizations off of this. Just one more tool to make rational and educated decisions.



The government cant even look at a simple ledger with credits and debits and make sound decisions so why do they need to know every detail of my life? The government uses this info to see where they can most effectively buy votes or achieve social equality. Blacks and women are given money cheaper than I can barrow it because they are underrepresented in agriculture. I guess Im one of those old timers that feels this is not the role of the federal government. In the 90s the Clintons used "secret" FBI info against their political enemies, Recently Obama has used IRS to insure reelection, and has been caught collecting phone records of most citizens (something he opposed a short time ago) Power corrupts , any available info will sooner or latter be used for buy government to maintain power. No tin foil hat here, just common sense.
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Re: The ACS and you.

Postby OmegaRed » Thu Jul 18, 2013 5:49 am

boney fingers wrote:
OmegaRed wrote:
go get the bird wrote:Does anyone else feel like the ACS (American Community Survey) is a blatant invasion of privacy? What could the Census Bureau possibly need with the amount of time it takes me to get to work? Or with what type of work I do? This is insane.

Has anyone else thrown this thing away or told them to piss up a rope?

ACS wrote:The American Community Survey (ACS) is an ongoing survey that provides data every year -- giving communities the current information they need to plan investments and services. Information from the survey generates data that help determine how more than $400 billion in federal and state funds are distributed each year.

To help communities, state governments, and federal programs, we ask about:

•age
•sex
•race
•family and relationships

•income and benefits
•health insurance
•education
•veteran status

•disabilities
•where you work and how you get there
•where you live and how much you pay for some essentials

All this detail is combined into statistics that are used to help decide everything from school lunch programs to new hospitals.

http://www.census.gov/acs/www/about_the ... ty_survey/


I deal with census data quite a bit. It seems intrusive, and is to some point. I've had to explain this to lots of old timers that argue the same thing. Many things get based off census data - grants, funding for your community through allocations, HUD funding etc.

They also use the data for GIS quite a bit to. For example, DOT is looking at raising the speed limit from 65 to 70. They could look at commute time to work, amount of traffic in a given radius, with age of drivers and accidents in the same radius and make realizations off of this. Just one more tool to make rational and educated decisions.



The government cant even look at a simple ledger with credits and debits and make sound decisions so why do they need to know every detail of my life? The government uses this info to see where they can most effectively buy votes or achieve social equality. Blacks and women are given money cheaper than I can barrow it because they are underrepresented in agriculture. I guess Im one of those old timers that feels this is not the role of the federal government. In the 90s the Clintons used "secret" FBI info against their political enemies, Recently Obama has used IRS to insure reelection, and has been caught collecting phone records of most citizens (something he opposed a short time ago) Power corrupts , any available info will sooner or latter be used for buy government to maintain power. No tin foil hat here, just common sense.


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Re: The ACS and you.

Postby boney fingers » Thu Jul 18, 2013 7:14 am

OmegaRed wrote:
boney fingers wrote:
OmegaRed wrote:
go get the bird wrote:Does anyone else feel like the ACS (American Community Survey) is a blatant invasion of privacy? What could the Census Bureau possibly need with the amount of time it takes me to get to work? Or with what type of work I do? This is insane.

Has anyone else thrown this thing away or told them to piss up a rope?

ACS wrote:The American Community Survey (ACS) is an ongoing survey that provides data every year -- giving communities the current information they need to plan investments and services. Information from the survey generates data that help determine how more than $400 billion in federal and state funds are distributed each year.

To help communities, state governments, and federal programs, we ask about:

•age
•sex
•race
•family and relationships

•income and benefits
•health insurance
•education
•veteran status

•disabilities
•where you work and how you get there
•where you live and how much you pay for some essentials

All this detail is combined into statistics that are used to help decide everything from school lunch programs to new hospitals.

http://www.census.gov/acs/www/about_the ... ty_survey/


I deal with census data quite a bit. It seems intrusive, and is to some point. I've had to explain this to lots of old timers that argue the same thing. Many things get based off census data - grants, funding for your community through allocations, HUD funding etc.

They also use the data for GIS quite a bit to. For example, DOT is looking at raising the speed limit from 65 to 70. They could look at commute time to work, amount of traffic in a given radius, with age of drivers and accidents in the same radius and make realizations off of this. Just one more tool to make rational and educated decisions.



The government cant even look at a simple ledger with credits and debits and make sound decisions so why do they need to know every detail of my life? The government uses this info to see where they can most effectively buy votes or achieve social equality. Blacks and women are given money cheaper than I can barrow it because they are underrepresented in agriculture. I guess Im one of those old timers that feels this is not the role of the federal government. In the 90s the Clintons used "secret" FBI info against their political enemies, Recently Obama has used IRS to insure reelection, and has been caught collecting phone records of most citizens (something he opposed a short time ago) Power corrupts , any available info will sooner or latter be used for buy government to maintain power. No tin foil hat here, just common sense.


Were you ever abducted by aliens? Did they probe you?

Are you disputing what I say or did I forget to answer that question on my survey? Buy the way ,how much money did you make last year, how many children do you have and what are their ages, how much debt do you have, and what color is your skin.
Please answer to the best of your ability. Almost forgot, please include your social security number.
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Re: The ACS and you.

Postby OmegaRed » Thu Jul 18, 2013 7:29 am

boney fingers wrote:
OmegaRed wrote:
boney fingers wrote:
OmegaRed wrote:
go get the bird wrote:Does anyone else feel like the ACS (American Community Survey) is a blatant invasion of privacy? What could the Census Bureau possibly need with the amount of time it takes me to get to work? Or with what type of work I do? This is insane.

Has anyone else thrown this thing away or told them to piss up a rope?

ACS wrote:The American Community Survey (ACS) is an ongoing survey that provides data every year -- giving communities the current information they need to plan investments and services. Information from the survey generates data that help determine how more than $400 billion in federal and state funds are distributed each year.

To help communities, state governments, and federal programs, we ask about:

•age
•sex
•race
•family and relationships

•income and benefits
•health insurance
•education
•veteran status

•disabilities
•where you work and how you get there
•where you live and how much you pay for some essentials

All this detail is combined into statistics that are used to help decide everything from school lunch programs to new hospitals.

http://www.census.gov/acs/www/about_the ... ty_survey/


I deal with census data quite a bit. It seems intrusive, and is to some point. I've had to explain this to lots of old timers that argue the same thing. Many things get based off census data - grants, funding for your community through allocations, HUD funding etc.

They also use the data for GIS quite a bit to. For example, DOT is looking at raising the speed limit from 65 to 70. They could look at commute time to work, amount of traffic in a given radius, with age of drivers and accidents in the same radius and make realizations off of this. Just one more tool to make rational and educated decisions.



The government cant even look at a simple ledger with credits and debits and make sound decisions so why do they need to know every detail of my life? The government uses this info to see where they can most effectively buy votes or achieve social equality. Blacks and women are given money cheaper than I can barrow it because they are underrepresented in agriculture. I guess Im one of those old timers that feels this is not the role of the federal government. In the 90s the Clintons used "secret" FBI info against their political enemies, Recently Obama has used IRS to insure reelection, and has been caught collecting phone records of most citizens (something he opposed a short time ago) Power corrupts , any available info will sooner or latter be used for buy government to maintain power. No tin foil hat here, just common sense.


Were you ever abducted by aliens? Did they probe you?

Are you disputing what I say or did I forget to answer that question on my survey? Buy the way ,how much money did you make last year, how many children do you have and what are their ages, how much debt do you have, and what color is your skin.
Please answer to the best of your ability. Almost forgot, please include your social security number.


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Re: The ACS and you.

Postby ScaupHunter » Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:25 am

OmegaRed wrote:
boney fingers wrote:
OmegaRed wrote:
go get the bird wrote:Does anyone else feel like the ACS (American Community Survey) is a blatant invasion of privacy? What could the Census Bureau possibly need with the amount of time it takes me to get to work? Or with what type of work I do? This is insane.

Has anyone else thrown this thing away or told them to piss up a rope?

ACS wrote:The American Community Survey (ACS) is an ongoing survey that provides data every year -- giving communities the current information they need to plan investments and services. Information from the survey generates data that help determine how more than $400 billion in federal and state funds are distributed each year.

To help communities, state governments, and federal programs, we ask about:

•age
•sex
•race
•family and relationships

•income and benefits
•health insurance
•education
•veteran status

•disabilities
•where you work and how you get there
•where you live and how much you pay for some essentials

All this detail is combined into statistics that are used to help decide everything from school lunch programs to new hospitals.

http://www.census.gov/acs/www/about_the ... ty_survey/


I deal with census data quite a bit. It seems intrusive, and is to some point. I've had to explain this to lots of old timers that argue the same thing. Many things get based off census data - grants, funding for your community through allocations, HUD funding etc.

They also use the data for GIS quite a bit to. For example, DOT is looking at raising the speed limit from 65 to 70. They could look at commute time to work, amount of traffic in a given radius, with age of drivers and accidents in the same radius and make realizations off of this. Just one more tool to make rational and educated decisions.



The government cant even look at a simple ledger with credits and debits and make sound decisions so why do they need to know every detail of my life? The government uses this info to see where they can most effectively buy votes or achieve social equality. Blacks and women are given money cheaper than I can barrow it because they are underrepresented in agriculture. I guess Im one of those old timers that feels this is not the role of the federal government. In the 90s the Clintons used "secret" FBI info against their political enemies, Recently Obama has used IRS to insure reelection, and has been caught collecting phone records of most citizens (something he opposed a short time ago) Power corrupts , any available info will sooner or latter be used for buy government to maintain power. No tin foil hat here, just common sense.


Were you ever abducted by aliens? Did they probe you?



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