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Re: McCain

Postby vincentpa » Tue Jul 30, 2013 7:36 am

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TomKat wrote:I do believe that the LP is the best thing for this country. Call me a loser, blah blah


I was there almost 20 years ago and the LP is exactly where it was 20 years ago and exactly where it will probably be 20 years in the future. Even the socialists have a U.S. Senator. The Tea Party has already far surpassed the LP. The libertarian philosophy is a great thing for this country. The LP is worthless. What have they accomplished that makes them the best?

Liberals think that caring makes them superior and that is all that matters even if the results on the ground are destructive.

Libertarians think that their academic theories make them superior and that is all that matters even if those ideas never get off of the white board.

I think results are the only thing that matters when it comes to government and politics as long as basic rights are protected.

The LP is the embodiment of the warning of letting the perfect be the enemy of the good with the real world results that evil triumphs will the good men of the LP do nothing in practice.



Well stated. As much as I lean Libertarian, they have no results to show for and never will. Both Ron and Rand Paul both realize this. That is why they are Republicans. Both are trying to change or influence the party that is most receptive their ideas to actually realize results. Without the ability to effect change, the Libertarian Party is nothing more than a debating society. Libertarians should enter the Republican Party to have a wider platform and a stronger voice in which to influence and effect change. Look at how much influence the liberals have in the Democratic Party. If only the Libertarians would be so wise. But hey, the Libertarians can beat anyone in debate! :fingerhead:

Unfortunately, the GOP is taking a page out of the Libertarian playbook. The GOP activists in trying to implement "conservative" purity, are alienating just about everyone limiting their ability to effect change. The GOP can't even score victory against a completely failed president. How sad.
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Re: McCain

Postby SpinnerMan » Tue Jul 30, 2013 7:03 pm

vincentpa wrote:The GOP activists in trying to implement "conservative" purity, are alienating just about everyone limiting their ability to effect change.
I disagree with this part, but it may just be a question of semantics.

You have the GOP, the political machine. The last thing they want is conservative purity. They dream of nothing but the RINO party. They are politicians that seek power. They will sabotage candidates that unseat the party loyalists. We have seen this with a lot of Tea Party candidates that they looked down upon. Weiner wins the nomination, the Democrats won't keep trashing him and will tell why it is so critical to the fate of the universe to support him. The GOP loses a primary like they did in Delaware, they will destroy the woman that won out of spite. How dare someone like that run for one of their seats?

There are also voting blocks like the libertarians and self-identified keepers of true conservatism that do what you are saying. Religious conservatives have been accused of this by the GOP for not bending to support abortion supporters. However, I don't think the evidence for this is as strong as the propaganda of those pushing machine candidates over ideological candidates.

The bigger problem is that the machine candidates after they win sell out the base time and time again.

At some point, enthusiasm to help these
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Re: McCain

Postby slowshooter » Wed Jul 31, 2013 3:17 am

WTN10 wrote:
slowshooter wrote:
TomKat wrote:Well I plan on amusing and upsetting the 3 of you for a long time to come.

I do believe that the LP is the best thing for this country. Call me a loser, blah blah

But I refuse to be a part of the dog crap that makes up the other 2 parties. They suck.



The problem with the LP is that they will always be unappealing to the religious that feel that the community has a duty to take care of it's most downtrodden.

Charity is not a Libertarian belief.


You confuse taking people's money in the form of taxes and giving it to others with charity. It's not that Libertarians don't favor charity, it's that liberals don't actually know what charity is. What you believe is charity is nothing more than an expression of laziness.



That's an interesting expansion of my comments. Even though it's not correct. :smile:
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Re: McCain

Postby slowshooter » Wed Jul 31, 2013 3:22 am

SpinnerMan wrote:
vincentpa wrote:The GOP activists in trying to implement "conservative" purity, are alienating just about everyone limiting their ability to effect change.
I disagree with this part, but it may just be a question of semantics.

You have the GOP, the political machine. The last thing they want is conservative purity. They dream of nothing but the RINO party. They are politicians that seek power. They will sabotage candidates that unseat the party loyalists. We have seen this with a lot of Tea Party candidates that they looked down upon. Weiner wins the nomination, the Democrats won't keep trashing him and will tell why it is so critical to the fate of the universe to support him. The GOP loses a primary like they did in Delaware, they will destroy the woman that won out of spite. How dare someone like that run for one of their seats?

There are also voting blocks like the libertarians and self-identified keepers of true conservatism that do what you are saying. Religious conservatives have been accused of this by the GOP for not bending to support abortion supporters. However, I don't think the evidence for this is as strong as the propaganda of those pushing machine candidates over ideological candidates.

The bigger problem is that the machine candidates after they win sell out the base time and time again.

At some point, enthusiasm to help these
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You don't get it. In Washington there aren't parties... There is only conflict manufactured to make more millionaires and enrich those that have already arrived.
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Re: McCain

Postby TomKat » Wed Jul 31, 2013 6:08 am

slowshooter wrote:
You don't get it. In Washington there aren't parties... There is only conflict manufactured to make more millionaires and enrich those that have already arrived.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

EXACTLY!

Pure dog crap, be they from pile A or from pile B.

Slow, you know in your heart that my Dog Crap theory is a good summary of the situation in Washington.
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Re: McCain

Postby Glimmerjim » Wed Aug 07, 2013 3:07 am

TomKat wrote:
slowshooter wrote:
You don't get it. In Washington there aren't parties... There is only conflict manufactured to make more millionaires and enrich those that have already arrived.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

EXACTLY!

Pure dog crap, be they from pile A or from pile B.

Slow, you know in your heart that my Dog Crap theory is a good summary of the situation in Washington.

I agree TK. We can only hope and pray that the altruistic, benevolent society of Libertarians rises from the dregs to rescue us from political fratricide. :thumbsup:
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Re: McCain

Postby beretta24 » Wed Aug 07, 2013 6:35 am

TomKat wrote:
slowshooter wrote:
You don't get it. In Washington there aren't parties... There is only conflict manufactured to make more millionaires and enrich those that have already arrived.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

EXACTLY!

Pure dog crap, be they from pile A or from pile B.

Slow, you know in your heart that my Dog Crap theory is a good summary of the situation in Washington.


Just recognize your party isn't immune to the same theory.
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Re: McCain

Postby SpinnerMan » Wed Aug 07, 2013 3:51 pm

beretta24 wrote:
TomKat wrote:
slowshooter wrote:
You don't get it. In Washington there aren't parties... There is only conflict manufactured to make more millionaires and enrich those that have already arrived.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

EXACTLY!

Pure dog crap, be they from pile A or from pile B.

Slow, you know in your heart that my Dog Crap theory is a good summary of the situation in Washington.


Just recognize your party isn't immune to the same theory.

Not only are they not immune from it. They have demonstrated it in practice.

They nominated freaking Bob Barr for President :fingerhead:

Credibility :hi:
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Re: McCain

Postby slowshooter » Wed Aug 07, 2013 5:31 pm

SpinnerMan wrote:
beretta24 wrote:
TomKat wrote:
slowshooter wrote:
You don't get it. In Washington there aren't parties... There is only conflict manufactured to make more millionaires and enrich those that have already arrived.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

EXACTLY!

Pure dog crap, be they from pile A or from pile B.

Slow, you know in your heart that my Dog Crap theory is a good summary of the situation in Washington.


Just recognize your party isn't immune to the same theory.


Not only are they not immune from it. They have demonstrated it in practice.

They nominated freaking Bob Barr for President :fingerhead:

Credibility :hi:


At this point the voters are looking for a SuckBomb that isn't politically connected and a marionette that won't dance to the tune of dollars. So Barr is out just like the Republicans (to which he will eventually return) and Democrats.

Pretty sad when what you look for in a politician is that they aren't a politician, have no connections and is not a jackass.
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Re: McCain

Postby beretta24 » Wed Aug 07, 2013 6:07 pm

Gary Johnson was no libertarian saint either. Personally I think theres a better chance of changing the existing parties than supporting a third with some expectation that they will behave differently if given the chance.
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Re: McCain

Postby TomKat » Wed Aug 07, 2013 9:45 pm

beretta24 wrote:Gary Johnson was no libertarian saint either. Personally I think theres a better chance of changing the existing parties than supporting a third with some expectation that they will behave differently if given the chance.


I disagree.

Screw the two parties of millionaire crooks.

Time for a change.
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Re: McCain

Postby beretta24 » Wed Aug 07, 2013 9:50 pm

do you have a problem with the first part or second. I think the second can be rightfully debated, but Gary Johnson was a tool and major hypocrite.
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Re: McCain

Postby SpinnerMan » Wed Aug 07, 2013 10:36 pm

TomKat wrote:
beretta24 wrote:Gary Johnson was no libertarian saint either. Personally I think theres a better chance of changing the existing parties than supporting a third with some expectation that they will behave differently if given the chance.


I disagree.

Screw the two parties of millionaire crooks.

Time for a change.

Because the millionaire crooks will never run under certain banners :lol3:

Obama would be a libertarian if that was the path to power. Is that label like holy water or a cross to the millionaire crooks?

Libertarians stopping millionaire crooks from lying about their true identity.
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