slowshooter wrote: ....They aren't negotiate themselves out of jobs....
And a professional gambler with an ace in the hole doesn't play cards to loose but once in a while it still happens. The latest one that comes to mind was Hostess. I feel bad for those people that lost their jobs because their union had them convinced that going on strike was a good idea in an economic time like this.
Like I said, not every union is good. Even the teamsters told them not to strike. But they were stupid, played chicken and lost. But the problems with that company go way back beyond that event. The company could have and should have been wiser when originally negotiating with the unions - and when determining their own executive compensation. When you are holding 2 billion in unfunded pensions and losing a few million a day, it's pretty easy to see that there were some major dumbasses running the show. If you can't fund both and keep the business running then compromise is skill that should be quickly learned.
Too bad the union couldn't see the forest for the trees.
I'm curious as to how many people went on strike during the last depression.
In an interesting bit of history there. The unions then are facing the same thing that unions are now... Shrinking numbers and power, because they are facing the same economic woes that were faced during the depression. As well as a government that has been taken over by the 1%. There isn't any money out there for the middle class and there wasn't any then either.
We may not agree on this issue but I stand by my belief that the UAW holds the lions share of blame for the fall of Detroit (oil/fuel prices being another major contributer).
Three things failed the city and brought it to it's knees. The Unions, the City Leadership, and the Corporations that employed most of the residents. There isn't one that sucks more than the other. Well, I take that back a little. The leadership hasn't ever gotten better even as the companies and unions are no longer the players they used to be. The Mayor(s) and city needed to plan for the inevitable… They didn't.
As I stated earlier, when you are being squeezed to pay an unskilled assembly line worker as much or more than an actual auto tech makes, why wouldn't they set up shop somewhere else? That's not corporate greed, that's basic math.
If they are paying the unskilled as much or more than a skilled worker then I'm presuming that they are incapable of basic math. And probably can't negotiate with a union as well. That would be the first problem they should solve.
I'm okay with a corporation negotiating with workers to get the best deal for both of them. I'm leery of corporations that rob the public and return nothing to the city or state.
......Yeah, but on this board you don't hear a lot of pro union talk......You don't hear a lot of pro politician talk either. They are one in the same. Today I saw a quote of yours that I really liked. You told someone "you got good cop, bad copped". Well......
Who says that profits are bad? I don't. I love them. However when profits are made by pilfering the public treasury with unneeded tax breaks, ate welfare...This will just be a rehash of our debate last week or the week before. You call it corporate welfare, I call it incentive to keep big business from taking those jobs overseas
Incentive? Nope. Tell me where the jobs that used to be in USA went?
Apparently incentives don't work. Especially when a community gets nothing back for the incentives they hand out.
All this for a bowl of borscht.