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Re: Christianity's Bad?

Postby SpinnerMan » Fri Aug 02, 2013 1:30 pm

Glimmerjim wrote:
Andy W wrote:
ohioboy wrote:What is the punishment for a non practicing christian?

Hell.

Don't get frustrated. Just answer the question.

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Re: Christianity's Bad?

Postby Indaswamp » Fri Aug 02, 2013 4:19 pm

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assateague wrote:No. Actually they would NOT like to hear that, since there is no such thing. My point is, describing oneself as a "non-practicing" anything still categorizes you as belonging to whatever it is. Just because a gay guy hasn't canned a guy in theass for 9 years doesn't make him straight. He may describe himself as a "non-practicing homosexual", but that still means he's gay.

If it doesn't mean anything, or there is no degree of "belonging" involved, why did you not describe yourself as a "non-practicing" Methodist?

In islam, A "non-practicing Muslim" deserves death as dictated by God through the Koran.......

What is the punishment for a non practicing christian?

In Islam?
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Re: Christianity's Bad?

Postby cartervj » Fri Aug 02, 2013 8:08 pm

WTN10 wrote:Equating conservatism with Christianity is deplorable. Christianity is a religion. Conservatism is a political philosophy. One's religious views can and often do shape political philosophy, but there are plenty of atheist conservatives and classical liberals, as well as believing neo-liberals. Penn Jillette is a raving atheist and Libertarian. Conversely, Faith Hill is a confessing Christian and closet Democrat.

Religion≠Conservatism or Republican



I did not mention Republican or Democrat versus religion. Penn is a Libertarian which some consider different than a conservative in some ways. So many shades of gray as political philosophy moves across the spectrum, still there's a distinct transition from hatred to apathy towards Christianity as the political philosophy moves from the left to the Right.

My point was look at the icons of the liberal Dems/Progressives/Liberals, Mao, Sanger, Lenin, Marx, yada yada yada. There is a reason as to why these attacked Christianity. The same can be said of today's elitist Liberals that have a D behind their name, Christianity complicates and competes against a centralized government. Many Dems mention Sanger, Mao, etc... as their heroes and a part of their own ideology.

Just as the argument of Nazism or Fascism, Hitler's political ideology started as a communist, then socialist and used mechanisms of the 2 to interpolate into the far right extreme of fascism.


Shades of gray as I stated, the Liberal Catholics helped deliver the vote for Obama the first go around. There is not and never will be any absolutes, that still doesn't mean that the majority of the liberal/progressive /democrats attack Christianity more so than any other political party and it stems from the foundation of their political beliefs whether they know so or not.
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Re: Christianity's Bad?

Postby Glimmerjim » Fri Aug 02, 2013 8:46 pm

SpinnerMan wrote:
Glimmerjim wrote:
Andy W wrote:
ohioboy wrote:What is the punishment for a non practicing christian?

Hell.

Don't get frustrated. Just answer the question.

:lol3:


That movie has been a thorn in my side since the first time I watched it. I am as fascinated as hell by it, but am not quite sure why. There are all kinds of cool metaphors and analogies and stereotypes in it, but somehow it transcends that to some weird degree that I can't get my finger on. I have yet to have a person answer "What is it about?" in a rational manner. I get the elusive, unnamed treasure of the golden glow as a metaphor for that which we desire...... the pawn shop scene, I don't even want to work too hard to understand.....the heroin experience of Travolta's, um, all I can say is that is the most realistic depiction of junk use ever on screen......the episode of not being shot and the explanation of why is great...perfectly depicts the discontinuity between believers and non-believers....Willis, the boxing promoters, his girlfriend, the drug dealer, on and on and on.....just so trippy on so many levels but never has a real storyline that I can discern. Hence the "Pulp Fiction" title, I guess, but WOW! :eek: :eek: Tarantino is a guy I need to have a few drinks with! :lol3: :lol3:
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Re: Christianity's Bad?

Postby assateague » Sat Aug 03, 2013 4:43 am

The briefcase had the diamonds in it from Reservoir Dogs. At one point in that movie, Chris Penn speaks of his cousin Vincent just getting back from Amsterdam after laying low for a while. Sorry to bust your bubble.
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Re: Christianity's Bad?

Postby TomKat » Sat Aug 03, 2013 6:04 am

GJ,

What does the bible verse that Jules talks about in the cafe robbery scene mean to you?

Because you may not have your personal bible handy :lol: I have taken the liberty to cut and paste it here for you:


Ezekiel 25:17. "The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the
tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through
the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike
down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you!

THAT, GJ, is what the movie is about. That, and Jules discussion about the meaning of this verse in the robbery scene.

The rest of the movie is.....pulp fiction
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Re: Christianity's Bad?

Postby SpinnerMan » Sat Aug 03, 2013 6:12 am

Glimmerjim wrote:
SpinnerMan wrote:
Glimmerjim wrote:
Andy W wrote:
ohioboy wrote:What is the punishment for a non practicing christian?

Hell.

Don't get frustrated. Just answer the question.

:lol3:


That movie has been a thorn in my side since the first time I watched it. I am as fascinated as hell by it, but am not quite sure why. There are all kinds of cool metaphors and analogies and stereotypes in it, but somehow it transcends that to some weird degree that I can't get my finger on. I have yet to have a person answer "What is it about?" in a rational manner. I get the elusive, unnamed treasure of the golden glow as a metaphor for that which we desire...... the pawn shop scene, I don't even want to work too hard to understand.....the heroin experience of Travolta's, um, all I can say is that is the most realistic depiction of junk use ever on screen......the episode of not being shot and the explanation of why is great...perfectly depicts the discontinuity between believers and non-believers....Willis, the boxing promoters, his girlfriend, the drug dealer, on and on and on.....just so trippy on so many levels but never has a real storyline that I can discern. Hence the "Pulp Fiction" title, I guess, but WOW! :eek: :eek: Tarantino is a guy I need to have a few drinks with! :lol3: :lol3:

Absolutely one of my favorites. Why? So many reasons all rolled into one. One of my other all time favorites is Forrest Gump. I think a shrink could have a field day with sorting out why these two movies are among my favorites. And no Jim, I am not going to give you a foot massage.
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Re: Christianity's Bad?

Postby ohioboy » Sat Aug 03, 2013 7:49 am

SpinnerMan wrote:
Glimmerjim wrote:
SpinnerMan wrote:
Glimmerjim wrote:
Andy W wrote:
ohioboy wrote:What is the punishment for a non practicing christian?

Hell.

Don't get frustrated. Just answer the question.

:lol3:


That movie has been a thorn in my side since the first time I watched it. I am as fascinated as hell by it, but am not quite sure why. There are all kinds of cool metaphors and analogies and stereotypes in it, but somehow it transcends that to some weird degree that I can't get my finger on. I have yet to have a person answer "What is it about?" in a rational manner. I get the elusive, unnamed treasure of the golden glow as a metaphor for that which we desire...... the pawn shop scene, I don't even want to work too hard to understand.....the heroin experience of Travolta's, um, all I can say is that is the most realistic depiction of junk use ever on screen......the episode of not being shot and the explanation of why is great...perfectly depicts the discontinuity between believers and non-believers....Willis, the boxing promoters, his girlfriend, the drug dealer, on and on and on.....just so trippy on so many levels but never has a real storyline that I can discern. Hence the "Pulp Fiction" title, I guess, but WOW! :eek: :eek: Tarantino is a guy I need to have a few drinks with! :lol3: :lol3:

Absolutely one of my favorites. Why? So many reasons all rolled into one. One of my other all time favorites is Forrest Gump. I think a shrink could have a field day with sorting out why these two movies are among my favorites. And no Jim, I am not going to give you a foot massage.


Massage, John Travolta. There is a joke waiting to happen.
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Re: Christianity's Bad?

Postby Glimmerjim » Sat Aug 03, 2013 8:29 am

assateague wrote:The briefcase had the diamonds in it from Reservoir Dogs. At one point in that movie, Chris Penn speaks of his cousin Vincent just getting back from Amsterdam after laying low for a while. Sorry to bust your bubble.

No way! Now I've got to watch it again to pick up on that scene! Don't worry, you won't burst any bubbles for me, I TRY to figure it out, so Thanks! :thumbsup: That was quite the jolly scene with Michael Madsen in Reservoir Dogs, eh? What a riot! :eek: I wonder how many other things tie the two movies together?
Actually though, thinking about it, I heard it said once tha Tarantino wanted originally for the briefcase to be full of diamonds, but considered it too mundane. Marsellus's soul was thrown about as a possibility. Then it had the 666 combo. It's a movie one can pick something new up on each viewing.
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Re: Christianity's Bad?

Postby Glimmerjim » Sat Aug 03, 2013 8:39 am

SpinnerMan wrote:
Glimmerjim wrote:
SpinnerMan wrote:
Glimmerjim wrote:
Andy W wrote:
ohioboy wrote:What is the punishment for a non practicing christian?

Hell.

Don't get frustrated. Just answer the question.

:lol3:


That movie has been a thorn in my side since the first time I watched it. I am as fascinated as hell by it, but am not quite sure why. There are all kinds of cool metaphors and analogies and stereotypes in it, but somehow it transcends that to some weird degree that I can't get my finger on. I have yet to have a person answer "What is it about?" in a rational manner. I get the elusive, unnamed treasure of the golden glow as a metaphor for that which we desire...... the pawn shop scene, I don't even want to work too hard to understand.....the heroin experience of Travolta's, um, all I can say is that is the most realistic depiction of junk use ever on screen......the episode of not being shot and the explanation of why is great...perfectly depicts the discontinuity between believers and non-believers....Willis, the boxing promoters, his girlfriend, the drug dealer, on and on and on.....just so trippy on so many levels but never has a real storyline that I can discern. Hence the "Pulp Fiction" title, I guess, but WOW! :eek: :eek: Tarantino is a guy I need to have a few drinks with! :lol3: :lol3:

Absolutely one of my favorites. Why? So many reasons all rolled into one. One of my other all time favorites is Forrest Gump. I think a shrink could have a field day with sorting out why these two movies are among my favorites. And no Jim, I am not going to give you a foot massage.

:lol3: I really enjoyed Forrest, also. Just the total lack of disingenuousness in Forrest was beautiful. I've used that term ever since...."Well, he pretty much Forrest Gumped his way through that one!" :lol3: Plus, I pretty much fell in love with Robin Wright Penn, or Penn Wright or whatever. Always expected a sequel. Seemed like a natural.
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Re: Christianity's Bad?

Postby Glimmerjim » Sat Aug 03, 2013 8:46 am

TomKat wrote:GJ,

What does the bible verse that Jules talks about in the cafe robbery scene mean to you?

Because you may not have your personal bible handy :lol: I have taken the liberty to cut and paste it here for you:


Ezekiel 25:17. "The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the
tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through
the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike
down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you!

THAT, GJ, is what the movie is about. That, and Jules discussion about the meaning of this verse in the robbery scene.

The rest of the movie is.....pulp fiction

What puzzled me about that verse is how it applied in any way to Jules, TK. And what was the band aid on the back of Marsellus'es head about? And the gold watch?
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Re: Christianity's Bad?

Postby assateague » Sat Aug 03, 2013 11:32 am

Glimmerjim wrote:
assateague wrote:The briefcase had the diamonds in it from Reservoir Dogs. At one point in that movie, Chris Penn speaks of his cousin Vincent just getting back from Amsterdam after laying low for a while. Sorry to bust your bubble.

No way! Now I've got to watch it again to pick up on that scene! Don't worry, you won't burst any bubbles for me, I TRY to figure it out, so Thanks! :thumbsup: That was quite the jolly scene with Michael Madsen in Reservoir Dogs, eh? What a riot! :eek: I wonder how many other things tie the two movies together?
Actually though, thinking about it, I heard it said once tha Tarantino wanted originally for the briefcase to be full of diamonds, but considered it too mundane. Marsellus's soul was thrown about as a possibility. Then it had the 666 combo. It's a movie one can pick something new up on each viewing.



I'm certainly not going to say there's no symbolism. But it does come up that the guys stealing the diamonds have used Vincent as a hit man before. It's the scene where Chris Penn is talking to his dad in the office, and Michael Madsen either comes in, or was already in there. Just a quick mention of Vincent coming back from Amsterdam.
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Re: Christianity's Bad?

Postby assateague » Sat Aug 03, 2013 11:32 am

Oh, and the briefcase is the same.
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Re: Christianity's Bad?

Postby WTN10 » Sat Aug 03, 2013 3:34 pm

Did you catch the link between Django Unchained and Kill Bill, Jim?

The Bride is buried in the grave of Paula Schultz who died in the west in the mid-1800's. The dentist in Django is Dr. Schultz who is implied to have started bounty hunting (out west in Texas) after the death of his wife five years prior (again in the mid-1800's).
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Re: Christianity's Bad?

Postby clampdaddy » Sat Aug 03, 2013 3:58 pm

Hmmm. Now you guys got me thinking that I need to watch Dusk til Dawn again. This time, keeping an eye out for something more subtle and meaningful than Salma Hayek's fine ass. :lol3:
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Re: Christianity's Bad?

Postby Glimmerjim » Sat Aug 03, 2013 4:55 pm

WTN10 wrote:Did you catch the link between Django Unchained and Kill Bill, Jim?

The Bride is buried in the grave of Paula Schultz who died in the west in the mid-1800's. The dentist in Django is Dr. Schultz who is implied to have started bounty hunting (out west in Texas) after the death of his wife five years prior (again in the mid-1800's).

I didn't even know I didn't know it, WTN! :lol3: :lol3: Man, I thought I was a movie buff, you guys put things together I would never have even thought of! I always had this weird fascination with Tarantino stuff, and that was before you guys enlightened me on his little quirks and connections. Now I'm going to have to go back and watch them reasonably sober!
You know as you watch his movies that he is referring to things, making analogies and metaphors, because they just make no sense otherwise. Some are very subjective I think, relying on the viewer to make his own mind up, and some are subtle, and some are obvious. The whole Academy Award thing for Pulp Fiction had always eluded me, but then again I guess the whole concept of receiving paper money in exchange for work befuddles apes, too! :lol3: :lol3:
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Re: Christianity's Bad?

Postby Andy W » Sun Aug 04, 2013 6:03 am

clampdaddy wrote:Hmmm. Now you guys got me thinking that I need to watch Dusk til Dawn again. This time, keeping an eye out for something more subtle and meaningful than Salma Hayek's fine ass. :lol3:

Good luck with that.
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Re: Christianity's Bad?

Postby assateague » Sun Aug 04, 2013 10:37 am

WTN10 wrote:Did you catch the link between Django Unchained and Kill Bill, Jim?

The Bride is buried in the grave of Paula Schultz who died in the west in the mid-1800's. The dentist in Django is Dr. Schultz who is implied to have started bounty hunting (out west in Texas) after the death of his wife five years prior (again in the mid-1800's).



Never saw either one of them. But if I do, I will pay attention. Stuff like this fascinates me for some reason.
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Re: Christianity's Bad?

Postby clampdaddy » Sun Aug 04, 2013 11:01 am

Andy W wrote:
clampdaddy wrote:Hmmm. Now you guys got me thinking that I need to watch Dusk til Dawn again. This time, keeping an eye out for something more subtle and meaningful than Salma Hayek's fine ass. :lol3:

Good luck with that.

It'll be tough. Whenever I watch that one it like "words....words....words....hey its Cheech.....cool, boobies.....mmmm, Salma Hayek.....vampires.....end credits." :lol3: But I always wondered if the black suits that Clooney and Tarantino wore had anything to do with the other movies.
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Re: Christianity's Bad?

Postby Glimmerjim » Sun Aug 04, 2013 11:20 pm

assateague wrote:
WTN10 wrote:Did you catch the link between Django Unchained and Kill Bill, Jim?

The Bride is buried in the grave of Paula Schultz who died in the west in the mid-1800's. The dentist in Django is Dr. Schultz who is implied to have started bounty hunting (out west in Texas) after the death of his wife five years prior (again in the mid-1800's).



Never saw either one of them. But if I do, I will pay attention. Stuff like this fascinates me for some reason.

I would think it would be perfectly natural considering your history, AT. Connections, and disconnections, between different sources, or even from the same source, would be right up your alley I would think.
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Re: Christianity's Bad?

Postby SpinnerMan » Mon Aug 05, 2013 5:43 am

assateague wrote:The briefcase had the diamonds in it from Reservoir Dogs. At one point in that movie, Chris Penn speaks of his cousin Vincent just getting back from Amsterdam after laying low for a while. Sorry to bust your bubble.

I saw Reservoir Dogs for the first time about 3 months ago and I did catch that reference. Although that probably because I almost have Pulp Fiction memorized :eek:

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Re: Christianity's Bad?

Postby assateague » Mon Aug 05, 2013 1:22 pm

:lol3: :lol3: :lol3:
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Re: Christianity's Bad?

Postby ohioboy » Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:27 pm

spinner, did you give a man a foot massage?
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Re: Christianity's Bad?

Postby Glimmerjim » Mon Aug 05, 2013 10:27 pm

ohioboy wrote:spinner, did you give a man a foot massage?

It was just a typo, Ohio. He gave a guy a "foot message". It's kind of like a "foot note" but just directed to one person. :thumbsup:
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Re: Christianity's Bad?

Postby SpinnerMan » Tue Aug 06, 2013 7:36 am

ohioboy wrote:spinner, did you give a man a foot massage?

Sorry, you are going to have to look elsewhere to get a man to massage your feet.

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