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Obama Care, Congress Exempt

Postby WoodyWhiffingMG » Tue Aug 06, 2013 12:47 pm

http://m.cbn.com/cbnnews/politics/2013/August/Last-Minute-Deal-Gives-Congress-Obamacare-Exemption-/

I know this is old news, but I wonder if it has anything to do with not being in a rush to defund it...
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Re: Obama Care, Congress Exempt

Postby assateague » Tue Aug 06, 2013 12:50 pm

It is very, very bad. Not sure if it reminds me of France in 1789 or America in 1776. But definitely getting to be one of the two, with this constant interference and "do as I say, not as I do, you bunch of riff-raff" coming out of DC.
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Re: Obama Care, Congress Exempt

Postby SpinnerMan » Tue Aug 06, 2013 1:07 pm

I think it's more like Venezuela in 1998. Maybe Zimbabwe circa 1987. Possibly Cuba 1959. Although Detroit circa 1973 might be the best analogy.
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Re: Obama Care, Congress Exempt

Postby vincentpa » Tue Aug 06, 2013 1:14 pm

People are finally begining to realize the disaster that this country is in. They are really becoming fed up with the ruling class. The Democrats are terrified right now. They are in charge and their great accomplishment, the ACA is about to reflect very negatively on them. Liberalism has reached its zenith. The backlash is coming, and it will be strong.
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Re: Obama Care, Congress Exempt

Postby WoodyWhiffingMG » Tue Aug 06, 2013 1:22 pm

vincentpa wrote:People are finally begining to realize the disaster that this country is in. They are really becoming fed up with the ruling class. The Democrats are terrified right now. They are in charge and their great accomplishment, the ACA is about to reflect very negatively on them. Liberalism has reached its zenith. The backlash is coming, and it will be strong.


Will it?
With hordes of inner city welfare kings and queens free of work and full of availability on Election Day... Maybe not.


Unless you're speaking of a true backlash not found at the polls.
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Re: Obama Care, Congress Exempt

Postby SpinnerMan » Tue Aug 06, 2013 1:24 pm

vincentpa wrote:Liberalism has reached its zenith. The backlash is coming, and it will be strong.
I hope you are correct, but where has such a backlash been successful? I hope you are correct, but that backlash has yet to happen in Detroit. Not a lot of examples to provide a lot of hope that this is true.

The backlash typically begins right around this point.

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Re: Obama Care, Congress Exempt

Postby WoodyWhiffingMG » Tue Aug 06, 2013 1:30 pm

SpinnerMan wrote:
vincentpa wrote:Liberalism has reached its zenith. The backlash is coming, and it will be strong.
I hope you are correct, but where has such a backlash been successful? I hope you are correct, but that backlash has yet to happen in Detroit. Not a lot of examples to provide a lot of hope that this is true.

The backlash typically begins right around this point.

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Has there ever been a 100% successful recovery from liberalism?
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Re: Obama Care, Congress Exempt

Postby Andy W » Tue Aug 06, 2013 1:56 pm

Senators, representatives, and their top aides will be able to stay under the current subsidized health care system.
That means they will continue to get a taxpayer-funded contribution to help pay for their health care premiums.

Get back to work you peasants! We've got to pay for our leaders benefits. :mad:
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Re: Obama Care, Congress Exempt

Postby beretta24 » Tue Aug 06, 2013 2:14 pm

WoodyWhiffingMG wrote:
SpinnerMan wrote:
vincentpa wrote:Liberalism has reached its zenith. The backlash is coming, and it will be strong.
I hope you are correct, but where has such a backlash been successful? I hope you are correct, but that backlash has yet to happen in Detroit. Not a lot of examples to provide a lot of hope that this is true.

The backlash typically begins right around this point.

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Has there ever been a 100% successful recovery from liberalism?

Yes, but it usually comes after socialism and a following dictatorship.

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Re: Obama Care, Congress Exempt

Postby WoodyWhiffingMG » Tue Aug 06, 2013 2:25 pm

beretta24 wrote:
WoodyWhiffingMG wrote:
SpinnerMan wrote:
vincentpa wrote:Liberalism has reached its zenith. The backlash is coming, and it will be strong.
I hope you are correct, but where has such a backlash been successful? I hope you are correct, but that backlash has yet to happen in Detroit. Not a lot of examples to provide a lot of hope that this is true.

The backlash typically begins right around this point.

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Has there ever been a 100% successful recovery from liberalism?

Yes, but it usually comes after socialism and a following dictatorship.

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There have been recoveries, but has a country ever actually recovered back to its full strength?
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Re: Obama Care, Congress Exempt

Postby SpinnerMan » Tue Aug 06, 2013 2:29 pm

WoodyWhiffingMG wrote:There have been recoveries, but has a country ever actually recovered back to its full strength?

What is the best example that you can think of?

I think you are correct, but I can't think of any.
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Re: Obama Care, Congress Exempt

Postby WoodyWhiffingMG » Tue Aug 06, 2013 2:34 pm

SpinnerMan wrote:
WoodyWhiffingMG wrote:There have been recoveries, but has a country ever actually recovered back to its full strength?

What is the best example that you can think of?

I think you are correct, but I can't think of any.


I would include Germany after WW2 as a recovery, but not full recovery.

but they have fallen back into the trap.
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Re: Obama Care, Congress Exempt

Postby SpinnerMan » Tue Aug 06, 2013 2:54 pm

WoodyWhiffingMG wrote:
SpinnerMan wrote:
WoodyWhiffingMG wrote:There have been recoveries, but has a country ever actually recovered back to its full strength?

What is the best example that you can think of?

I think you are correct, but I can't think of any.


I would include Germany after WW2 as a recovery, but not full recovery.

but they have fallen back into the trap.

That wasn't exactly a self induced recovery :no:

Let me clarify. The former Soviet satellites don't count in my opinion, but that is certainly debatable. The reason being that it was imposed upon them externally as opposed to internal popular outcome. Germany doesn't count because while it was not imposed upon them, recovery from it was. I'm talking about where a country voted for it or it was a popular uprising and then they saw the error of their ways and voted it out or removed it by popular uprising. Popular being loosely interpreted as lack of strong and persistent opposition. A lot of countries are hard to bin by my definition, that I fully concede.

Didn't Argentina kind of right the ship by this definition?
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Re: Obama Care, Congress Exempt

Postby WoodyWhiffingMG » Tue Aug 06, 2013 2:57 pm

SpinnerMan wrote:
WoodyWhiffingMG wrote:
SpinnerMan wrote:
WoodyWhiffingMG wrote:There have been recoveries, but has a country ever actually recovered back to its full strength?

What is the best example that you can think of?

I think you are correct, but I can't think of any.


I would include Germany after WW2 as a recovery, but not full recovery.

but they have fallen back into the trap.

That wasn't exactly a self induced recovery :no:

Let me clarify. The former Soviet satellites don't count in my opinion, but that is certainly debatable. The reason being that it was imposed upon them externally as opposed to internal popular outcome. Germany doesn't count because while it was not imposed upon them, recovery from it was. I'm talking about where a country voted for it or it was a popular uprising and then they saw the error of their ways and voted it out or removed it by popular uprising. Popular being loosely interpreted as lack of strong and persistent opposition. A lot of countries are hard to bin by my definition, that I fully concede.

Didn't Argentina kind of right the ship by this definition?

IDK
What about Canada? Although their recovery came from dumping Detroit on us...
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Re: Obama Care, Congress Exempt

Postby ScaupHunter » Tue Aug 06, 2013 3:14 pm

WoodyWhiffingMG wrote:
SpinnerMan wrote:
vincentpa wrote:Liberalism has reached its zenith. The backlash is coming, and it will be strong.
I hope you are correct, but where has such a backlash been successful? I hope you are correct, but that backlash has yet to happen in Detroit. Not a lot of examples to provide a lot of hope that this is true.

The backlash typically begins right around this point.

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Has there ever been a 100% successful recovery from liberalism?



There is no recovery from liberalism. Only washing away the stink and starting over. America in 1776 is the best example your going to find despite the fact is was not socialism at the time.
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Re: Obama Care, Congress Exempt

Postby SpinnerMan » Tue Aug 06, 2013 3:15 pm

It's tough and that is why I'm not very optimistic.
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Re: Obama Care, Congress Exempt

Postby beretta24 » Tue Aug 06, 2013 3:21 pm

SpinnerMan wrote:
WoodyWhiffingMG wrote:
SpinnerMan wrote:
WoodyWhiffingMG wrote:There have been recoveries, but has a country ever actually recovered back to its full strength?

What is the best example that you can think of?

I think you are correct, but I can't think of any.


I would include Germany after WW2 as a recovery, but not full recovery.

but they have fallen back into the trap.

That wasn't exactly a self induced recovery :no:

Let me clarify. The former Soviet satellites don't count in my opinion, but that is certainly debatable. The reason being that it was imposed upon them externally as opposed to internal popular outcome. Germany doesn't count because while it was not imposed upon them, recovery from it was. I'm talking about where a country voted for it or it was a popular uprising and then they saw the error of their ways and voted it out or removed it by popular uprising. Popular being loosely interpreted as lack of strong and persistent opposition. A lot of countries are hard to bin by my definition, that I fully concede.

Didn't Argentina kind of right the ship by this definition?


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Re: Obama Care, Congress Exempt

Postby vincentpa » Tue Aug 06, 2013 3:25 pm

It's very difficult when both parties are interested in growing the state. Both parties are in great fear of the rising tide of libertarianism. It's growing much faster than anyone has anticipated. The economic climate favors them too. Both parties ate on full attack mode against civil libertarians of both parties. They especially hate the fiscal libertarians in the Republican Party. I've been reading attack piece after attack piece in the papers from both sides of the establishment. The fear is palpable. Of only rand Paul and Ted Cruz were better politicians. They are young and they will learn. That really scares the establishment.
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Re: Obama Care, Congress Exempt

Postby SpinnerMan » Tue Aug 06, 2013 4:13 pm

beretta24 wrote:When on ARG, they f'ed right now. Worse than us in every way.
Maybe it was a different country down there or maybe it was a false recovery or maybe my memory is flawed. I thought I had a vague recollection of a South American country that would fit, but I definitely do not know.
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Re: Obama Care, Congress Exempt

Postby beretta24 » Tue Aug 06, 2013 5:00 pm

SpinnerMan wrote:
beretta24 wrote:When on ARG, they f'ed right now. Worse than us in every way.
Maybe it was a different country down there or maybe it was a false recovery or maybe my memory is flawed. I thought I had a vague recollection of a South American country that would fit, but I definitely do not know.


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