ohioboy wrote: Indaswamp wrote: ohioboy wrote: assateague wrote: ohioboy wrote:
The Confederate wrote:Just because all governments do it to a degree, that doesn't make it ok. That's why we started this country remember? Government tried to determine people's religion by monitoring and persecuting people, so they came here to practice free religion. And by your definition we live in a police state right now.
rigid and repressive controls? really?
What happens if I don't pay my taxes? What happens if I want to build a house on my land, which the government has declared a wetland? What happens if i don't send my kids to school?
Have you ever had an adult job in the private sector?
oh Assa. so condescending. another thread got you upset?
anyways, i guess my definition of rigid and repressive is not that. and if you dont like it so much why stay? why not go? and again, you can choose to not answer. you have done it before. i always answer any question asked.
and yes, i have had other jobs. thanks dad.
Let me explain this for you...
it's debatable as to the degree that we have become a police state, but no doubt we have moved in that direction. That the infrastructure is in place for it to be full blown can not be denied. All it takes is for the government to use it.
sure. inda, no explanation needed. you forget there are rocket batteries (not sure if this is the right word, but i can see rockets from the road) and hummers on the side of the highway with m2s and grenade launchers by me. i see it probably more than most on here.
is there any government worth its salt that does not have the parts ready to roll? i would say no. that is how they keep control if they start to lose it. balance is the key.
You make very juvenile arguments. Others do it so it make it acceptable that we do it.
My guess is that you don't run the debate team.
You are equating the military to a secret police force and surveillance activity.
One does not need rocket batteries to be oppressed. All one needs is the IRS, FEC and SEC harassing the political opposition to stifle their speech. All one needs is the IRS harassing citizens based on how they contribute to certain political organizations. All you need is the IRS (government) harassing businesses based on their political contributions. All you need is the FBI and Justice Department harassing the families of the political opposition. All you need is one branch of a divided government to routinely violate the law and act unilaterally to create and suspend laws. All you need is a government that uses the regulatory agencies to create law thereby circumventing the separation of powers guaranteed by the Constitution. All you need is the government to use the regulatory agencies as a de facto police force to "attack" or harass citizens and businesses through punitive fines or imprisonment for whatever political whim. All you need is a government that has developed such a convoluted legal and regulatory system that the average citizen commits three federal crimes per day. This alone gives the government power to harass, imprison, and persecute almost anyone for any reason. Now add to this mix, the ability of the government to spy on the citizens by reading their emails, collecting absurd amounts of personal data, the ability to tap cell phones by turning them on through built-in back door programs, listen to calls through the NSA, etc…
All of these things are occurring with more frequency on a daily basis. I'm sorry for you (and me) that people like you aren't paying attention but seem so willing to express strong opinions based on your ignorance. But hey, at least you don't have rocket batteries from the road.
In a free society, it is not the obligation of the citizen to prove to the government that he is a good person. It is the obligation of the government to prove to the rest of the citizenry that the citizen is a bad person, with probable cause.