ScaupHunter wrote:The numbers on voters on government aid are totally flawed. Social Security, and Medicare are not government aid if you paid into them. They are reimbursements of your investments for the future.
However, the big government advocates like to lump them together. That way the double speak makes "welfare" sound like a good thing. Hey, if it's good here, it must be good everywhere. Liberal logic at it's finest.
I had a conversation with a political science professor a month or so ago. At first he claimed that there was no more welfare
Yep, Clinton apparently ended the only true welfare. Of course, the silliness of that is obvious, so when that self delusional lie was easily shown to be ridiculous, then he immediately flipped and social security being welfare
When I pointed out that it was supposed to be you getting paid back what you put in, he argued that we get out way more than we pay in, so it really is just welfare. I told him that I did the math and I'm loosing probably at least $100k if not more. He said he did the math too. So I asked him what he assumed and then it was a lot of himming and haaing and well blah blah blah.
Self delusional. I don't think it is lying. It believe it is self delusion. They can't deal with the psychological impact of being wrong. They have been sitting on the mountain top waiting for the mothership to arrive. It's long over due, but they can't admit that they were wrong, so they have to delude themselves to maintain that unshakable faith they have in central planning and centralized control.
This is a professor that is supposed to seek the truth and not push an agenda. It's really sad, but I think very normal in these exremely soft sciences, if you can even call it a science and not just politics minus the science.
ScaupHunter wrote:Welfare slugs on those systems would qualify but are not anywhere near 50%.
They are working on that.
Of course, this is precisely why social security is NOT an individual retirement account. If they invested the money and it had your name on it, they couldn't take it and piss it away and make you beholden upon future polticians to take money from their kids and grand kids to give to you. If they did it right, the politicians would have not power.
A politician thinks of the next election; a statesman of the next generation. A politician looks for the success of his party; a statesman for that of the country. The statesman wished to steer, while the politician was satisfied to drift.