vincentpa wrote:Is the tea party fighting or winning or hindering?
They got big cuts in spending by putting the fear of a primary into McConnell and many others.
Who knows what they would have gotten in this round if the establishment Republicans hadn't gone after them?
Clearly they can't get anything with both the Democrats and the McCainiacs joining forces against them.
Why don't the establishment Republicans have any blame in your mind? Was going after the Tea Party a wise strategy or did it enable the debacle by solidifying in the minds of the American people something that was off the table before the shutdown started.
A better analogy is like the abusive spouse blaming the abused spouse for them abusing them. If she wouldn't say those silly things, he wouldn't have to attack her. That pathetic excuse is used all the time. And I'm sure that is why the McCainiac claim they did what they did and then gave Obama all he wanted and McConnell a few billion in to be spent in his state. How stupid was he to include this in this bill. That may doom his reelection.
vincentpa wrote:BTW, it's solidified in the minds of an overwhelming majority of Americans.
BTW, what the hell does this even mean? For how long? A week. A month. It will have zero impact on the next election. Well, maybe not. It has solidified my dislike for so many of the establishment and the need to get them out if we are really going to make the fundamental change that we need to return American to an economically and socially sustainable path.http://washingtonexaminer.com/ted-cruz-poll-shows-gop-gained-in-fight-over-obamacare-despite-shutdown/article/2537066
– By a margin of 42 percent to 36 percent, independent voters blamed Republicans for the shutdown over Obama and the Democrats.
– In November 1995, 51 percent of voters blamed Republicans for the shutdown; only 28 percent blamed then-President Clinton
It is almost equally split between Obama and the Republicans unlike the impression you want to give. Honestly I didn't know that is where the polling was because anybody with common sense knows that something that had no impact on the vast majority is not going to be solidified with the majority of voters and it will have little effect on elections over a year away.
Stupid people can cause problems, but it usually takes brilliant people to create a real catastrophe. Thomas Sowell