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Re: 10 things only idiots will ignore

Postby cartervj » Fri Oct 25, 2013 5:24 pm

blackduckdog2 wrote:
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blackduckdog2 wrote:Or, alternatively, Wall Street let him know that if he didn't back the puck off, they could make things one HELL of a lot worse than they already had, and were totally prepared to do it. Rubbing their hands in glee prepared, I'm talking

And you think that deserves Kudos? How about some balls and stand firm on reform? They don't even hide the frauds anymore, they are out in the open...HFT anyone?

How many times do I have to say how disappointed I am that he didn't take them on more forcefully? They came back at him with far more than he ever thought they would and that's where his inexperience got him into trouble. Besides that, I don't think you just crack the whip with those guys.......they have held too much power for far too long and they are willing to BURN IT ALL DOWN, because they know they will basically be insulated. It's going to be a long process and I think you know that any one administration is not going to turn it around in a heartbeat. But who was even talking about this eight years ago? Hell, just THAT'S some progress
And don't overlook how every time he even gave lip service to any sort of reform, the right crawled up his azz with their stupid "redistribution/communist" nonsense. Think Wall Street didn't look at that and know exactly how to play it?



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Re: 10 things only idiots will ignore

Postby cartervj » Fri Oct 25, 2013 5:28 pm

http://www.infowars.com/25-stats-that-prove-that-the-american-dream-is-being-systematically-destroyed/

1. According to the most recent numbers from the U.S. Census Bureau, 49.2 percent of all Americans are receiving benefits from at least one government program.
2. The U.S. government has spent an astounding 3.7 trillion dollars on welfare programs over the past five years.
3. An increasing number of employers are encouraging their low wage employees to supplement their wages by going on government welfare programs. For example, McDonald’s workers that need help making ends meet are being instructed to go on food stamps…
McDonald’s workers who are unable to pay their bills or stay above the poverty line should find help from food pantries or enlist in government benefit programs instead of seeking higher wages, according to a company resource line meant to help employees.
Nancy Salgado has worked for the fast-food corporation for over 10 years yet still earns $8.25 an hour, barely more than the $7.25 federal minimum wage. With help from the worker’s rights group Low Pay Is Not Ok, she phoned the company’s employee hotline, known as McResource, attempting to find some answers on how to improve her situation.
A recording of the call was made available to CNN, which reported that Salgado asked the helpline operator multiple questions regarding how McDonalds would help her pay her heating bill, buy groceries, and whether she could afford to help pay for her sister’s medical treatment.
Despite never asking how much money Salgado earned per hour or asking how many hours a week she worked, the McDonalds representative said she “definitely should be able to qualify for both food stamps and heating assistance.”
4. Total consumer credit has risen by a whopping 22 percent over the past three years.
5. Student loans are up by an astounding 61 percent over the past three years.
6. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, median household income in the United States has fallen for five years in a row.
7. Right now the middle class is taking home a smaller share of the overall income pie than has ever been recorded before.
8. Ordinary Americans are being priced out of the housing market. Today,nearly half of all home purchases are all-cash deals.
9. The homeownership rate in the United States is now at the lowest level it has been in nearly 18 years.
10. The gap between the rich and the poor in the United States is at an all-time record high.
11. U.S. families that have a head of household that is under the age of 30 have a poverty rate of 37 percent.
12. Every single day, thousands of Americans are receiving letters in the mail informing them that their old health insurance policies have been canceled. According to a recent Kaiser Health News article, some companies have already sent out hundreds of thousands of cancellation notices…
Florida Blue, for example, is terminating about 300,000 policies, about 80 percent of its individual policies in the state. Kaiser Permanente in California has sent notices to 160,000 people – about half of its individual business in the state. Insurer Highmark in Pittsburgh is dropping about 20 percent of its individual market customers, while Independence Blue Cross, the major insurer in Philadelphia, is dropping about 45 percent.
13. Those that are losing their current health insurance policies will have to replace them with new policies that are often much more expensive. According to health policy expert Bob Laszewski, 16 million people could ultimately have their health insurance policies canceled because of Obamacare…
The U.S. individual health insurance market currently totals about 19 million people. Because the Obama administration’s regulations on grandfathering existing plans were so stringent about 85% of those, 16 million, are not grandfathered and must comply with Obamacare at their next renewal. The rules are very complex. For example, if you had an individual plan in March of 2010 when the law was passed and you only increased the deductible from $1,000 to $1,500 in the years since, your plan has lost its grandfather status and it will no longer be available to you when it would have renewed in 2014.
These 16 million people are now receiving letters from their carriers saying they are losing their current coverage and must re-enroll in order to avoid a break in coverage and comply with the new health law’s benefit mandates––the vast majority by January 1. Most of these will be seeing some pretty big rate increases.
14. Back in 1999, 64.1 percent of all Americans were covered by employment-based health insurance. Today, only 54.9 percent of all Americans are covered by employment-based health insurance.
15. More Americans than ever find themselves forced to turn to the government for help with health care. At this point, 82.4 million Americans live in a home where at least one person is enrolled in the Medicaid program.
16. The U.S. labor force participation rate is at a 35 year low.
17. Only 47 percent of all adults in America have a full-time job at this point.
18. It is hard to believe, but in America today one out of every ten jobs is now filled by a temp agency.
19. Approximately one out of every four part-time workers in America is living below the poverty line.
20. After accounting for inflation, right now 40 percent of all U.S. workers are making less than what a full-time minimum wage worker made back in 1968.
21. Today, the United States actually has a higher percentage of workers doing low wage work than any other major industrialized nation does.
22. At this point, almost half of all public school students in America come from low income homes.
23. The number of Americans on food stamps has grown from 17 million in the year 2000 to more than 47 million today.
24. Right now, one out of every five households in the United States is on food stamps.
25. An increasing number of Americans do not even believe that they have a pleasant retirement to look forward to. One recent survey found that the percentage of middle class Americans that “plan to work until they die” is now higher than ever.
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Re: 10 things only idiots will ignore

Postby beretta24 » Fri Oct 25, 2013 5:38 pm

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beretta24 wrote:I will give you that...I have no doubt that he was arrogant enough to think he would have the world by the balls upon being elected...but now he has been relegated to a lap dog.

Well, we disagree chiefly in degree. I don't think he was any more arrogant than your typical guy running for president, and as for the lapdog comment, I think he's doing all he can under extremely (nearly impossible) circumstances

Whether he is doing all that he can do is entirely dependent on what you want him to do....on that point I suspect there's some separation between our pespeictves. ;)
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Re: 10 things only idiots will ignore

Postby blackduckdog2 » Fri Oct 25, 2013 5:45 pm

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beretta24 wrote:I will give you that...I have no doubt that he was arrogant enough to think he would have the world by the balls upon being elected...but now he has been relegated to a lap dog.

Well, we disagree chiefly in degree. I don't think he was any more arrogant than your typical guy running for president, and as for the lapdog comment, I think he's doing all he can under extremely (nearly impossible) circumstances

Whether he is doing all that he can do is entirely dependent on what you want him to do....on that point I suspect there's some separation between our pespeictves. ;)

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Re: 10 things only idiots will ignore

Postby Indaswamp » Fri Oct 25, 2013 6:17 pm

In short-Obama has a major credibility problem that for the longest time the lame stream media ignored. This is what has hampered his effectiveness.
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Re: 10 things only idiots will ignore

Postby blackduckdog2 » Fri Oct 25, 2013 8:15 pm

Indaswamp wrote:In short-Obama has a major credibility problem that for the longest time the lame stream media ignored. This is what has hampered his effectiveness.

He's been as much hampered by a rabid right wing that gave him not the slightest bit of cooperation from day one. Look, I'm a liberal and I did not like George W. Bush. But the degree to which I (and every liberal I know) rallied behind him post 9/11 was the sort of thing that American patriotism is made of. And it's the sort of thing that the right would NEVER give up to Obama........if you're going to leave that out of the equation, Inda, it really undercuts your credibility
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Re: 10 things only idiots will ignore

Postby Indaswamp » Fri Oct 25, 2013 8:47 pm

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Indaswamp wrote:In short-Obama has a major credibility problem that for the longest time the lame stream media ignored. This is what has hampered his effectiveness.

He's been as much hampered by a rabid right wing that gave him not the slightest bit of cooperation from day one. Look, I'm a liberal and I did not like George W. Bush. But the degree to which I (and every liberal I know) rallied behind him post 9/11 was the sort of thing that American patriotism is made of. And it's the sort of thing that the right would NEVER give up to Obama........if you're going to leave that out of the equation, Inda, it really undercuts your credibility

How is him lying out of his azz a "rabid right wing" problem? shall I go find the numerous youtubes of the words falling off his lips?
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Re: 10 things only idiots will ignore

Postby blackduckdog2 » Fri Oct 25, 2013 8:55 pm

You seriously aren't going to admit that he never got even the tiniest shred of rhythm from the right/ Seriously?
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Re: 10 things only idiots will ignore

Postby Indaswamp » Fri Oct 25, 2013 9:43 pm

blackduckdog2 wrote:You seriously aren't going to admit that he never got even the tiniest shred of rhythm from the right/ Seriously?

I'm talking about Obama, not the republican response to it. Are you seriously trying to cover for the numerous, intentional lies spewed forth from his mouth?
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Re: 10 things only idiots will ignore

Postby blackduckdog2 » Fri Oct 25, 2013 10:17 pm

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blackduckdog2 wrote:You seriously aren't going to admit that he never got even the tiniest shred of rhythm from the right/ Seriously?

I'm talking about Obama, not the republican response to it. Are you seriously trying to cover for the numerous, intentional lies spewed forth from his mouth?

I think we're in the realm here where I like the man, and see him as in-over-his-head, and you hate him, and see him as the antichrist or something
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Re: 10 things only idiots will ignore

Postby assateague » Sat Oct 26, 2013 3:59 am

While I agree he's in over his head, I also despise him. As a man, as a politician, you name it.
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Re: 10 things only idiots will ignore

Postby Me and Black Betty » Sat Oct 26, 2013 4:31 am

blackduckdog2 wrote:
Indaswamp wrote:
blackduckdog2 wrote:You seriously aren't going to admit that he never got even the tiniest shred of rhythm from the right/ Seriously?

I'm talking about Obama, not the republican response to it. Are you seriously trying to cover for the numerous, intentional lies spewed forth from his mouth?

I think we're in the realm here where I like the man, and see him as in-over-his-head, and you hate him, and see him as the antichrist or something

If the CEO of any other company was "in over his head" as deep as Obama, and they still vacationed and played as much golf as he does, they would be down in the unemployment line. Hell, golf and vacations aside, if any other CEO in his interview said I have a plan to cut your company's spending in half, but in the first 2 years doubled it, not only would they be out of a job they would probably be in jail. Sometimes even great leaders get in over their heads. What makes them great is their ability and willingness to admit they are over their head and ask for help, and eventually they are back in control. What makes a terrible leader is somebody, well, somebody like Obama.

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Re: 10 things only idiots will ignore

Postby High Sierras » Sat Oct 26, 2013 5:00 pm

blackduckdog2 wrote:You seriously aren't going to admit that he never got even the tiniest shred of rhythm from the right/ Seriously?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Just a few weeks ago... during the "lack of a budget" debate...didn't the republicans offer up a clean continuing resolution, and a clean debt ceiling increase(pretty much giving obama everything he was asking for), if only the dems would capitulate and make obamacare binding on the executive and legislative branches? And didn't good ol' Harry Reid call that "sabotage' or some such crap? How was that "not getting even the tiniest shred of rhythm? Cause the first Family should be above the indignity of stooping to use obamacare like the little people? Should our new royalty really be expected to live under the laws they write for us commoners?

As far as "in-over-his-head", has there been any other presidents besides barry who've sat for 6 plus years without ever having a federal budget, just a 'continuing resolution" to share the wealth around?
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Re: 10 things only idiots will ignore

Postby blackduckdog2 » Sat Oct 26, 2013 5:33 pm

High Sierras wrote:
blackduckdog2 wrote:You seriously aren't going to admit that he never got even the tiniest shred of rhythm from the right/ Seriously?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Just a few weeks ago... during the "lack of a budget" debate...didn't the republicans offer up a clean continuing resolution, and a clean debt ceiling increase(pretty much giving obama everything he was asking for), if only the dems would capitulate and make obamacare binding on the executive and legislative branches? And didn't good ol' Harry Reid call that "sabotage' or some such crap? How was that "not getting even the tiniest shred of rhythm? Cause the first Family should be above the indignity of stooping to use obamacare like the little people? Should our new royalty really be expected to live under the laws they write for us commoners?

As far as "in-over-his-head", has there been any other presidents besides barry who've sat for 6 plus years without ever having a federal budget, just a 'continuing resolution" to share the wealth around?

Were you this exercised when Republicans failed to pass a budget? Let me guess
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Re: 10 things only idiots will ignore

Postby blackduckdog2 » Sat Oct 26, 2013 5:39 pm

Hey, HS, while I've got you here, how come you gonged that friendly response to my WIlliam Blake question, and replaced it with the snarkier one?
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Re: 10 things only idiots will ignore

Postby High Sierras » Sat Oct 26, 2013 8:55 pm

blackduckdog2 wrote:
High Sierras wrote:
blackduckdog2 wrote:You seriously aren't going to admit that he never got even the tiniest shred of rhythm from the right/ Seriously?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Just a few weeks ago... during the "lack of a budget" debate...didn't the republicans offer up a clean continuing resolution, and a clean debt ceiling increase(pretty much giving obama everything he was asking for), if only the dems would capitulate and make obamacare binding on the executive and legislative branches? And didn't good ol' Harry Reid call that "sabotage' or some such crap? How was that "not getting even the tiniest shred of rhythm? Cause the first Family should be above the indignity of stooping to use obamacare like the little people? Should our new royalty really be expected to live under the laws they write for us commoners?

As far as "in-over-his-head", has there been any other presidents besides barry who've sat for 6 plus years without ever having a federal budget, just a 'continuing resolution" to share the wealth around?

Were you this exercised when Republicans failed to pass a budget? Let me guess

My comment wasn't about how I felt about the Republicans as much as it was about you failing to recognize when the Republicans handed the Dems practically evertything they wanted... except the same poisoned pill they want the masses to swallow.
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Re: 10 things only idiots will ignore

Postby High Sierras » Sat Oct 26, 2013 8:56 pm

blackduckdog2 wrote:Hey, HS, while I've got you here, how come you gonged that friendly response to my WIlliam Blake question, and replaced it with the snarkier one?

I didn't want you to loose any 'respect' for me! :hi:
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Re: 10 things only idiots will ignore

Postby High Sierras » Sat Oct 26, 2013 8:58 pm

High Sierras wrote:
blackduckdog2 wrote:Hey, HS, while I've got you here, how come you gonged that friendly response to my WIlliam Blake question, and replaced it with the snarkier one?
I didn't want you to loose any 'respect' for me! :hi:
Besides, what I wrote was more for you than the masses... if you read it, good, you know where I was coming from. :beer:
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Re: 10 things only idiots will ignore

Postby ScaupHunter » Tue Oct 29, 2013 12:27 pm

blackduckdog2 wrote:
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ScaupHunter wrote:Your memory is apparently as bad as your ethics. It is disingenous at best to try and tell someone to prove you said what you know you said.

Give me a bit of time to go back and dig them up. You and I both know you posted plenty of shots at Bush, as did the other liberals on here less than 12 months ago. If you go back a couple of years there have been plenty.

By all means go and find them. In the interests of fairness, while you are at it, run a check on all of the Obama bashing posts, then divide that by whatever number you find reasonable to represent the disparity between conservatives and liberals ob the board (I'll trust you with the math) Finally, compare the two figures and then we'll get a real picture of who's doing the bashing of whom on the CI Forum.
And as far as your assertion that I am being disingenuous to insist that you back up your false accusations, I'll leave that to the rest of the board members to judge. Certainly one of us has trouble telling the truth, and I am more than prepared to demonstrate exactly who that is

Hey...pssst....Obama is in office right now. Let the bashing continue-he deserves it.

That he is.....and all in all, I would say I've done as much complaining about him as I have about Bush. It tends not to get noticed, though which I suppose is natural enough. I seriously don't know a single liberal on this board (and very few in my life) who don't indulge some pretty serious Obama bashing themselves.


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Re: 10 things only idiots will ignore

Postby vincentpa » Tue Oct 29, 2013 1:31 pm

blackduckdog2 wrote:
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blackduckdog2 wrote:You seriously aren't going to admit that he never got even the tiniest shred of rhythm from the right/ Seriously?

I'm talking about Obama, not the republican response to it. Are you seriously trying to cover for the numerous, intentional lies spewed forth from his mouth?

I think we're in the realm here where I like the man, and see him as in-over-his-head, and you hate him, and see him as the antichrist or something



I'm not sure you would like him personally if you ever had the chance to chum it up.
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Re: 10 things only idiots will ignore

Postby SpinnerMan » Tue Oct 29, 2013 2:08 pm

blackduckdog2 wrote:
Indaswamp wrote:
blackduckdog2 wrote:You seriously aren't going to admit that he never got even the tiniest shred of rhythm from the right/ Seriously?

I'm talking about Obama, not the republican response to it. Are you seriously trying to cover for the numerous, intentional lies spewed forth from his mouth?

I think we're in the realm here where I like the man, and see him as in-over-his-head, and you hate him, and see him as the antichrist or something

Gee what a shocker that he is in over his head. He hadn't managed a little league team and suddenly he can manage in the World Series. And the gap in experience is far greater for him and being President and his actual executive experience.

Do you like people that use influence peddlers to buy a home they cannot afford?

You know his corrupt history. Like most people in politics today, he should be despised. That's what it has devolved to.

The only thing about Ted Cruz I worry about is that he may be the Repbulican Obama. I like multi-term governors. This is not the 1800's or even early 1900's. It is too big of a job to gamble on someone without a lot of experience. Clinton was good at the job even if his policies would have failed if not for the conservative Republican takeover of Congress.
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