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Down Syndrome Man Killed by Cops

Postby wanapasaki » Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:44 pm

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10 ... eater?lite


Tell you what. I see similar incidents with law enforcement officers abusing and using excessive force more and more often. I understand the details of the job, with family members serving +30 years. So before you tell me their job is difficult, save your breath :fingerpt:
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Re: Down Syndrome Man Killed by Cops

Postby slowshooter » Thu Oct 17, 2013 11:05 pm

That's a damn sad story.

But I bet the cops were at the donut shop the next day hootin' and hollerin' about riding that kid like a mechanical bull.
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Re: Down Syndrome Man Killed by Cops

Postby wanapasaki » Thu Oct 17, 2013 11:07 pm

slowshooter wrote:That's a damn sad story.

But I bet the cops were at the donut shop the next day hootin' and hollerin' about riding that kid like a mechanical bull.



Yeah its pretty disgusting. I imagine they were assigned paid leave and went to Cancun, while the case is was being extinguished by the DA
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Re: Down Syndrome Man Killed by Cops

Postby clampdaddy » Thu Oct 17, 2013 11:12 pm

Wow, that is absolutely horrible.
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Re: Down Syndrome Man Killed by Cops

Postby wanapasaki » Thu Oct 17, 2013 11:17 pm

clampdaddy wrote:Wow, that is absolutely horrible.


A guy from one of the bike clubs in my town (calvin) was killed by a cop that ran a red light in tehachapi outside of his jurisdiction. Witness saw that he never even attempted to brake. He got paid leave for 2 weeks and went to Cancun. He came back twice the **** he was, when he originally left. Lock and loaded on my buddy shortly after because he thought we were hunting on private land. Gary of the Stallion springs community police department in tehachapi. I think many enforcement agencies need to start analyzing their officer hire-es a little more carefully
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Re: Down Syndrome Man Killed by Cops

Postby slowshooter » Thu Oct 17, 2013 11:23 pm

Well, officers are tested to be average for the most part. It would be dangerous for the dept leadership if they actually hired the smartest.
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Re: Down Syndrome Man Killed by Cops

Postby wanapasaki » Thu Oct 17, 2013 11:25 pm

slowshooter wrote:Well, officers are tested to be average for the most part. It would be dangerous for the dept leadership if they actually hired the smartest.


LOL touche!
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Re: Down Syndrome Man Killed by Cops

Postby clampdaddy » Thu Oct 17, 2013 11:26 pm

Reminds me of those career bar bouncers who just can't wait to whoop the snit out of some barely coherent drunk guy. :no:
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Re: Down Syndrome Man Killed by Cops

Postby slowshooter » Thu Oct 17, 2013 11:28 pm

clampdaddy wrote:Reminds me of those career bar bouncers who just can't wait to whoop the snit out of some barely coherent drunk guy. :no:



oooo. I hate those d-bags. They can kiss my log snipper.
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Re: Down Syndrome Man Killed by Cops

Postby ctdeathfrombelow » Fri Oct 18, 2013 6:27 am

Police are no longer expected/ taught to respect people's rights, all that matters is that THEY make it home safely to their family. Ever talk to one lately that doesn't think they're better than everyone else? There's very few, and I bet most of them are old timers. But who wouldn't think that when you have legislature that puts you above normal citizens.

Can't have a magazine capacity over X amount of rounds, except if you're LE.

Can't talk on your cell phone while driving, except if you're LE, even though LEOs have had no training to make them better drivers while on the phone.

Can't beat the snot out of your significant other, and have it swept under the rug, but if you're in that "thin blue line" it's like all the bruises, scratches, and lumps disappear.....

Seems today a piece of tin affords you carte blanche. I would say today you have a 50/50 chance (no pun intended) of having a good experience with LE. The rest are jack booted thugs, who will step on the constitution just as quickly as they would your neck. A big part of me blames those who make the legislature for creating this privileged citizenry, but the rest of the blame would be on the individual.
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Re: Down Syndrome Man Killed by Cops

Postby Underradar » Fri Oct 18, 2013 7:09 am

Were these cops working for Darwin?
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Re: Down Syndrome Man Killed by Cops

Postby go get the bird » Fri Oct 18, 2013 8:09 am

ctdeathfrombelow wrote:Police are no longer expected/ taught to respect people's rights, all that matters is that THEY make it home safely to their family. Ever talk to one lately that doesn't think they're better than everyone else? There's very few, and I bet most of them are old timers. But who wouldn't think that when you have legislature that puts you above normal citizens.

Can't have a magazine capacity over X amount of rounds, except if you're LE.

Can't talk on your cell phone while driving, except if you're LE, even though LEOs have had no training to make them better drivers while on the phone.

Can't beat the snot out of your significant other, and have it swept under the rug, but if you're in that "thin blue line" it's like all the bruises, scratches, and lumps disappear.....

Seems today a piece of tin affords you carte blanche. I would say today you have a 50/50 chance (no pun intended) of having a good experience with LE. The rest are jack booted thugs, who will step on the constitution just as quickly as they would your neck. A big part of me blames those who make the legislature for creating this privileged citizenry, but the rest of the blame would be on the individual.

I think the biggest problem is the fact that you can become a police officer with nothing more than a high school diploma or a GED. With a simple piece of paper that basically states you were at least somewhat conscious for the previous 4 years, you are granted the authority to arrest people and use deadly force.

Personally, I think you should have to have a college degree in a field that actually pertains to law enforcement. You'd think that law enforcement agencies would push for those standards for liability reduction. I'd like to believe that an educated officer will be less likely to violate my rights, especially if there are serious repercussions.

Then again, if they started requiring college degrees, all the dead-beats would have to work somewhere else.
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Re: Down Syndrome Man Killed by Cops

Postby ScaupHunter » Fri Oct 18, 2013 8:21 am

Never happen, they would have to pay college graduate wages.

Our state police here have to have college degrees. County Sherriff Deputies usually have college degrees. Most of our city cops are bullies or kids that were bullied in High School. I work with them quite a bit. Most of them are a bunch of Keystone Cops. They try really hard, are really motivated, and completely clueless. It is only going to get worse. Our society is no longer raising children to be adults. We no longer teach nation and other before self. I consider a city cop just as or more dangerous than a criminal.
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Re: Down Syndrome Man Killed by Cops

Postby boney fingers » Sat Oct 19, 2013 4:12 pm

OK ill bite, I know lots of LEOs that are great, hard working people, Ive known some aholes too. Just like the military there are a few douche bags give everybody a bad name. Any profession has its share of dirt bags, and for the record, no I don't believe mall cops should be required to have a degree in law enforcement.
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Re: Down Syndrome Man Killed by Cops

Postby clampdaddy » Sat Oct 19, 2013 11:43 pm

boney fingers wrote: ......and for the record, no I don't believe mall cops should be required to have a degree in law enforcement.

If they are there to observe/report and give verbal commands/warnings then I agree, but if they are going to be laying hands on anyone to remove or detain them, it might not be a bad idea. Mostly for the protection of the store owner. Myself, I'm of the opinion that if you get out of line on someone else's property, you are taking a risk. In this instance, the cops should have dealt with this much differently. You can't fix everything with a hammer.
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Re: Down Syndrome Man Killed by Cops

Postby Me and Black Betty » Sun Oct 20, 2013 7:40 am

Everybody in Congress is pretty well educated yet they have no problem trampling our rights every day. It's not an education problem, it's a power problem. Some folks can handle the power, and some folks abuse the hell out of it.

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Re: Down Syndrome Man Killed by Cops

Postby boney fingers » Sun Oct 20, 2013 7:41 am

clampdaddy wrote:
boney fingers wrote: ......and for the record, no I don't believe mall cops should be required to have a degree in law enforcement.

If they are there to observe/report and give verbal commands/warnings then I agree, but if they are going to be laying hands on anyone to remove or detain them, it might not be a bad idea. Mostly for the protection of the store owner. Myself, I'm of the opinion that if you get out of line on someone else's property, you are taking a risk. In this instance, the cops should have dealt with this much differently. You can't fix everything with a hammer.


Im in 100 % agreement with you.
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Re: Down Syndrome Man Killed by Cops

Postby dave79 » Sun Oct 20, 2013 8:35 am

Saylor's full-time aide told investigators that she warned the deputies that the 294-pound Saylor, who used a wheelchair, would "freak out" if they touched him.

As tragic as it is you can't just blame the cops/security. Why did she not escort him out or why did she even let him back in?
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Re: Down Syndrome Man Killed by Cops

Postby boney fingers » Sun Oct 20, 2013 10:53 am

dave79 wrote:Saylor's full-time aide told investigators that she warned the deputies that the 294-pound Saylor, who used a wheelchair, would "freak out" if they touched him.

As tragic as it is you can't just blame the cops/security. Why did she not escort him out or why did she even let him back in?


My guess is he was not wheelchair bound, but only used one to make it easier to get around. I think it was thrown in the story to emphasize the mans disability (not stellar journalism IMO) . There are lots of details I would like to know before totally throwing the cops under the bus(such as why the aid was unable to control him and did he pose any threat to other people), but it does appear they acted beyond their jurisdiction as mall cops. This gets into the sensitive area of what is appropriate for mentally handicapped people to be allowed to do in public and are they subject to the same standards of behavior that the rest of us are. In recent years there has been a huge push for mainstreaming these people, many of which are violent, with little regard for the impact on the rest of society. Im not agreeing or disagreeing with that idea, simply stating that it has happened and many confrontations have resulted ( nun quit this bad that I know of).
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Re: Down Syndrome Man Killed by Cops

Postby dave79 » Sun Oct 20, 2013 3:35 pm

boney fingers wrote:
dave79 wrote:Saylor's full-time aide told investigators that she warned the deputies that the 294-pound Saylor, who used a wheelchair, would "freak out" if they touched him.

As tragic as it is you can't just blame the cops/security. Why did she not escort him out or why did she even let him back in?


My guess is he was not wheelchair bound, but only used one to make it easier to get around. I think it was thrown in the story to emphasize the mans disability (not stellar journalism IMO) . There are lots of details I would like to know before totally throwing the cops under the bus(such as why the aid was unable to control him and did he pose any threat to other people), but it does appear they acted beyond their jurisdiction as mall cops. This gets into the sensitive area of what is appropriate for mentally handicapped people to be allowed to do in public and are they subject to the same standards of behavior that the rest of us are. In recent years there has been a huge push for mainstreaming these people, many of which are violent, with little regard for the impact on the rest of society. Im not agreeing or disagreeing with that idea, simply stating that it has happened and many confrontations have resulted ( nun quit this bad that I know of).

I was implying anything about the wheelchair really, more on the fact that he has a full-time aide.
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Re: Down Syndrome Man Killed by Cops

Postby ohioboy » Sun Oct 20, 2013 7:00 pm

everyone is also forgetting that he could have been a danger to himself. others for sure. the guy was a big guy.

i have had to restrain a kid that was his size, not fun at all. dripping sweat for a couple of hours one time. their minds do not process the way our minds do. that is why he had an aide. she should have never let him go back in. at the least she is responsible to go in with the police.

cops do restraints all the time, this one just went wrong. horribly wrong. and give credit to at least trying to help him once they figured out something was wrong. they could have covered that up.
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Re: Down Syndrome Man Killed by Cops

Postby winchester1852 » Sun Oct 20, 2013 9:25 pm

they dealt with him in the most wrong way you could imagine. f**k
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Re: Down Syndrome Man Killed by Cops

Postby Underradar » Mon Oct 21, 2013 11:44 am

They have super powers.
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Re: Down Syndrome Man Killed by Cops

Postby vincentpa » Mon Oct 21, 2013 1:54 pm

No kidding. Didn't you ever hear the expression "retard strong'? They can focus like no other and they really are strong.
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Re: Down Syndrome Man Killed by Cops

Postby ScaupHunter » Mon Oct 21, 2013 2:41 pm

Maybe we should dress them all in spandex with a giant RS in red on their chests.
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