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Re: Why are hunters bashing

Postby blackduckdog2 » Wed Nov 06, 2013 6:21 pm

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blackduckdog2 wrote: ....More hunters=good


Yup. And more non hunters who realize that we aren't heartless, bloodthirsty lunatics = good too.

That may be even bigger than just adding hunters. I've been serving some pretty fancy-schmancy game dishes to my liberal friends for decades now, and believe me, the quickest way to a pro-hunt convert is through his stomach. I'm waiting for some of the local laws to change so that locally shot wild game can served at Seattle restaurants, and boy howdy, do I expect THAT to change attitudes (it will also attract some protest (obviously) but I think I know who'll win that one

that will never happen BDD2...they will not sell wild duck in a restaurant ever again.

Well, that's certainly what my step-son the chef tells me, although he didn't go into detail from the restaurant end of it. I got a sister who lives near Avignon, France, and she tells me that the locals regularly take their bag to local restaurants and have it custom served to them that night (or a few nights down the road, depending) She says it's a long tradition. Anyway, exactly WHY can't game be sold here?
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Re: Why are hunters bashing

Postby thomashamm2 » Wed Nov 06, 2013 6:31 pm

the difference is experience and know-how. To bring new hunters to the sport (which is a great thing to do) you teach them what to do and how to do it safely. You would be with them to make sure they know what they are doing, following the law, and are safe. THe new crowd of duck dunasty hunters care more about the "fad" of duck hunting. THey dont really have people to show them (which is a shame), so they just go out without knowing what to do. They oftentime ruin others hunts without knowing, skybust, and many times just make stupid decisions that no true duck hunter would do. Bringing new hunters into duck hunting is important, but they need to learn how to duck hunt before just sitting out in the middle of the lake in a fishing boat skybusting at ducks.
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Re: Why are hunters bashing "Duck Dynasty hunters"

Postby Drakenstien » Wed Nov 06, 2013 7:03 pm

thomashamm2 wrote:the difference is experience and know-how. To bring new hunters to the sport (which is a great thing to do) you teach them what to do and how to do it safely. You would be with them to make sure they know what they are doing, following the law, and are safe. THe new crowd of duck dunasty hunters care more about the "fad" of duck hunting. THey dont really have people to show them (which is a shame), so they just go out without knowing what to do. They oftentime ruin others hunts without knowing, skybust, and many times just make stupid decisions that no true duck hunter would do. Bringing new hunters into duck hunting is important, but they need to learn how to duck hunt before just sitting out in the middle of the lake in a fishing boat skybusting at ducks.


Not everyone has that. I didn't other than deer hunting. I turned out alright just do some research, shooting, be there real early, and know how to control your boat or whatever. Take it easy


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Re: Why are hunters bashing

Postby blackduckdog2 » Wed Nov 06, 2013 7:07 pm

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thomashamm2 wrote:the difference is experience and know-how. To bring new hunters to the sport (which is a great thing to do) you teach them what to do and how to do it safely. You would be with them to make sure they know what they are doing, following the law, and are safe. THe new crowd of duck dunasty hunters care more about the "fad" of duck hunting. THey dont really have people to show them (which is a shame), so they just go out without knowing what to do. They oftentime ruin others hunts without knowing, skybust, and many times just make stupid decisions that no true duck hunter would do. Bringing new hunters into duck hunting is important, but they need to learn how to duck hunt before just sitting out in the middle of the lake in a fishing boat skybusting at ducks.


Not everyone has that. I didn't other than deer hunting. I turned out alright just do some research, shooting, be there real early, and know how to control your boat or whatever. Take it easy


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Re: Why are hunters bashing

Postby assateague » Wed Nov 06, 2013 7:10 pm

thomashamm2 wrote:the difference is experience and know-how. To bring new hunters to the sport (which is a great thing to do) you teach them what to do and how to do it safely. You would be with them to make sure they know what they are doing, following the law, and are safe. THe new crowd of duck dunasty hunters care more about the "fad" of duck hunting. THey dont really have people to show them (which is a shame), so they just go out without knowing what to do. They oftentime ruin others hunts without knowing, skybust, and many times just make stupid decisions that no true duck hunter would do. Bringing new hunters into duck hunting is important, but they need to learn how to duck hunt before just sitting out in the middle of the lake in a fishing boat skybusting at ducks.



So if it doesn't follow your preconceived "script" of how it should go, then they just get written off and badmouthed, or do you do something to change it?


And the phrase "true duck hunter" may as well read "I'm full of myself".
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Re: Why are hunters bashing "Duck Dynasty hunters"

Postby Drakenstien » Wed Nov 06, 2013 7:40 pm

I meant take it slow and think about crap before you do it


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Re: Why are hunters bashing "Duck Dynasty hunters"

Postby SemoDuck12 » Wed Nov 06, 2013 7:48 pm

All you guys are older than me, so hear me out before you guys get crazy on me.

In my opinion,DD maybe bringing out more people.(not me) BUT you cannot stereotype newbies and younger guys into that category. You can tell who's what.

But the sky blasting, poaching, and setting up near by, aren't anything to do with DD (to me anyways).. That should all be common sense, right?

People who do the things listed above were just not raised and taught the same way we were..

I mean if your going to have to compete for spots, get birds called off you, or have sky busters.. Show them how it's really done, show em what it's really about. If they listen and take it to heart..
It could really change the way they look at the sport, it most def would've for me if I was in their situation..


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Re: Why are hunters bashing "Duck Dynasty hunters"

Postby Drakenstien » Wed Nov 06, 2013 7:52 pm

SemoDuck12 wrote:All you guys are older than me, so hear me out before you guys get crazy on me.

In my opinion,DD maybe bringing out more people.(not me) BUT you cannot stereotype newbies and younger guys into that category. You can tell who's what.

But the sky blasting, poaching, and setting up near by, aren't anything to do with DD (to me anyways).. That should all be common sense, right?

People who do the things listed above were just not raised and taught the same way we were..

I mean if your going to have to compete for spots, get birds called off you, or have sky busters.. Show them how it's really done, show em what it's really about. If they listen and take it to heart..
It could really change the way they look at the sport, it most def would've for me if I was in their situation..


You guys have a goodnight!

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I'm 19 and started when I was 15. But your right do we really have to worry that much about them. They aren't going to scout, they aren't going to get there early, and they aren't going to have the best techniques if you want to call it that.


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Re: Why are hunters bashing "Duck Dynasty hunters"

Postby Drakenstien » Wed Nov 06, 2013 7:54 pm

On the bright side it will bring prices of gear down because more people are buying and it will pump more money into DU.


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Re: Why are hunters bashing

Postby blackduckdog2 » Wed Nov 06, 2013 8:06 pm

Drakenstien wrote:I meant take it slow and think about crap before you do it


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I got that. And I liked it…….I wasn't being sarcastic, really. "take it easy" is just plain damned good advice
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Re: Why are hunters bashing

Postby Indaswamp » Wed Nov 06, 2013 8:29 pm

blackduckdog2 wrote:
Indaswamp wrote:
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blackduckdog2 wrote: ....More hunters=good


Yup. And more non hunters who realize that we aren't heartless, bloodthirsty lunatics = good too.

That may be even bigger than just adding hunters. I've been serving some pretty fancy-schmancy game dishes to my liberal friends for decades now, and believe me, the quickest way to a pro-hunt convert is through his stomach. I'm waiting for some of the local laws to change so that locally shot wild game can served at Seattle restaurants, and boy howdy, do I expect THAT to change attitudes (it will also attract some protest (obviously) but I think I know who'll win that one

that will never happen BDD2...they will not sell wild duck in a restaurant ever again.

Well, that's certainly what my step-son the chef tells me, although he didn't go into detail from the restaurant end of it. I got a sister who lives near Avignon, France, and she tells me that the locals regularly take their bag to local restaurants and have it custom served to them that night (or a few nights down the road, depending) She says it's a long tradition. Anyway, exactly WHY can't game be sold here?

that went out when market hunting was banned BDD2...


lots of places here will cook game if you bring it in to them. :thumbsup: I never do because I like actually cooking it myself. :wink:
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Re: Why are hunters bashing

Postby send the dog » Wed Nov 06, 2013 8:31 pm

When I first heard that there was going to be a DD, i thought it was a terrible idea and refused to watch the show. Until, my girlfriend was watching it because it was her grandmother's favorite show. I do find certain parts of it entertaining and alot better than so much other crap on tv. However, I will say this: when it came time for A&E to renew the DD contract, they said that they would prefer if the DD gang would not say their prayer at the end of the show. I'll give the Robertsons a thumbs up when they told A&E that they would not change. Despite where you land with religion its hard not to appreciate that someone actually stood up for their beliefs. And apparently, phil is not happy with A&E for adding in "bleeps" when there wasn't anything to "bleep" out in the first place. It does get a little old though when people find out that you are a duck hunter and the first question they ask is if you watch DD. Like others have said, i was duck huntin when duck huntin wasn't cool.
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Re: Why are hunters bashing "Duck Dynasty hunters"

Postby assateague » Wed Nov 06, 2013 8:40 pm

Ok, hipster.
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Re: Why are hunters bashing

Postby blackduckdog2 » Wed Nov 06, 2013 8:44 pm

Indaswamp wrote:
blackduckdog2 wrote:
Indaswamp wrote:
blackduckdog2 wrote:
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blackduckdog2 wrote: ....More hunters=good


Yup. And more non hunters who realize that we aren't heartless, bloodthirsty lunatics = good too.

That may be even bigger than just adding hunters. I've been serving some pretty fancy-schmancy game dishes to my liberal friends for decades now, and believe me, the quickest way to a pro-hunt convert is through his stomach. I'm waiting for some of the local laws to change so that locally shot wild game can served at Seattle restaurants, and boy howdy, do I expect THAT to change attitudes (it will also attract some protest (obviously) but I think I know who'll win that one

that will never happen BDD2...they will not sell wild duck in a restaurant ever again.

Well, that's certainly what my step-son the chef tells me, although he didn't go into detail from the restaurant end of it. I got a sister who lives near Avignon, France, and she tells me that the locals regularly take their bag to local restaurants and have it custom served to them that night (or a few nights down the road, depending) She says it's a long tradition. Anyway, exactly WHY can't game be sold here?

that went out when market hunting was banned BDD2...


lots of places here will cook game if you bring it in to them. :thumbsup: I never do because I like actually cooking it myself. :wink:
I did not know you were a foodie.....Look upsome of the recipes I've posted on the recipe forum. :thumbsup:

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Re: Why are hunters bashing

Postby clampdaddy » Wed Nov 06, 2013 9:16 pm

send the dog wrote: ....Like others have said, i was duck huntin when duck huntin wasn't cool.


I see people saying this every time a Duck Commander thread comes up. So, when was duck hunting not cool? I always thought it was, and I'm pretty friggin' awesome, so I would know.
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Re: Why are hunters bashing

Postby vincentpa » Thu Nov 07, 2013 6:41 am

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vincentpa wrote:Slow would like a Hispanic Hunt day, not just a youth hunt day. He believes Mexicans are disadvantaged because they are generally too short to see over the front rail of a blind built for white folk.



LOL! I'm taller than you and all the other guys in my family are taller than me. All the way up to 6'7".

You shouldn't throw stones if your tiny arms can only launch them 12 feet. :lol3: :lol3: :lol3:


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Re: Why are hunters bashing

Postby SpinnerMan » Thu Nov 07, 2013 7:49 am

Drakenstien wrote:I have seen many people on this forum and other forums bashing the new flock of hunters due to the show Duck Dynasty. Why is this a big deal, I thought the goal was to get more people into hunting?
I had a snow goose guide tell me this and I think he is spot on.

He said hunters are the greediest people.

Hunt at public land and you see people that will run off birds going to someone else.

What prompt that comment from the guide was that there was one field with the same outfitter that was burning them up in the morning. Another group of hunters that had hunted for years with this outfitter actually called him and wanted him to kick those guys out of that field and put them in because they had hunted with him longer.

I think there are a large contingent that don't want more hunters. They want it all to themselves. They can't say that so they have to call them names and look down up them as less deserving for some silly reason like I'm awesome and they suck as if they didn't suck when they started.

The same reason communism, socialism, and any form of collectivism fails. People just don't want to share what they see as theirs, even when it is not theirs, they still act like it is and everybody else is ripping them off. Hey, had to go political in the CI forum. :tongue:
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Re: Why are hunters bashing

Postby swampbilly 1980 » Thu Nov 07, 2013 7:50 am

If I was those guys I'd want to cash in a get it "while the gettins' good" too, I mean,..why not?
Think we've all seen a heck of a lot more idiotic marketing ploys than what they've got out there :yes:

Thing for me is-
Really can't help but to embrace the end of most DD episodes I've looked at where there's a HUGE message in the end. A message that's bigger than anything else in the show, that often gets totally missed-

*Those fellas' emhasize the importance of family.
*They SIT DOWN and eat dinner together every night-(saying grace included before a meal)
*They waste nothing that's taken afield
**They believe in the man above

What I don't really care for is that the clips that involve working in the manufacturing realm of things seem to project that you can take your job and treat it like it has little value.
Wish they'd shoot an episode where everyone in the shop isn't so lax with feet propped up, missing production/shipment deadlines, and actually taking their job more seriously- family or not.

In other words-
Promote and encourage some real work ethics.

That's the problem we have now in the country-
Everyone wants (expects) something for nothing.
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Re: Why are hunters bashing

Postby Rat Creek » Thu Nov 07, 2013 10:26 am

thomashamm2 wrote: They often time ruin others hunts without knowing, skybust, and many times just make stupid decisions that no true duck hunter would do.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

That sounds like every weekend at any public hunting location in the world, long before Duck Dynasty ever existed.

Heck, a club directly west of us seems to always shoot right when a group working us begins to drop into our wooded pothole. :hi: They are not doing it with malice. They just shoot way too much. :yes:

After hearing them burn through what must be 50-70 shells, I naturally assume they will have limits when I see them at midday. Nope. Normally about eight birds for four hunters. Granted many of their shots are spaced out by about ten seconds (chasing cripples).

These are all long term, experienced hunters, one of whom is a retired Dept of Wildlife agent, which goes to show that the newbies are not the problem. Its just people being people.

And I am sure they think I am a fool when on occasion they see me driving into our club on my ATV at 8am. :eek: What they do not realize is we kill 90% of our birds at mid to late morning on a blue bird day. :thumbsup:
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Re: Why are hunters bashing

Postby swampbilly 1980 » Thu Nov 07, 2013 10:50 am

Rat Creek wrote:Heck, a club directly west of us seems to always shoot-- ( At Bufflehead and Hooded Megansers :yes: ) right when a group working us begins to drop into our wooded pothole. :hi: They are not doing it with malice. They just shoot way too much. :yes:



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Re: Why are hunters bashing

Postby dakotashooter2 » Thu Nov 07, 2013 12:19 pm

I do agree that what it is attracting is a large number of "fad" hunters. That is not really helping hunter recruitment because in a few years they will tire of the sport and move on to the next one or the hunting will get tough and they will bail out.... Meanwile any negative impact they have left will linger on for years. I think most of us also know you don't adequately learn hunting from TV shows and DVDs... There are many aspects of the sport that are best learned by mentoring and/or experience. Without that mentoring you often end up with a "pack mentality" and hunters running amuck. Those of us that have been in the sport know everyone has to pay their dues but todays crop of hunters want instant satisfaction. A prime example is the popularity of the 3 1/2" 12 ga shell/gun.....It allows them a gain in success without having to develop their hunting or shooting skills. They often plan in so much detail that they are unable to adapt as the need arises. They don't have a lot of original thoughts when it comes to settup or strategy nor do they seem to have patience or tollerance. I've noticed that when things don't go right it's always someone elses fault. In reality I feel sorry for them more than anything. They will never put the time (years) into the sport or have the guidance they need to really appreciate it for the rest of their lives.
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Re: Why are hunters bashing

Postby assateague » Thu Nov 07, 2013 12:26 pm

Holy hell there's some self-righteous bastards around here.
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Re: Why are hunters bashing

Postby clampdaddy » Thu Nov 07, 2013 2:03 pm

dakotashooter2 wrote:I do agree that what it is attracting is a large number of "fad" hunters. That is not really helping hunter recruitment because in a few years they will tire of the sport and move on to the next one or the hunting will get tough and they will bail out.... Meanwile any negative impact they have left will linger on for years. I think most of us also know you don't adequately learn hunting from TV shows and DVDs... There are many aspects of the sport that are best learned by mentoring and/or experience. Without that mentoring you often end up with a "pack mentality" and hunters running amuck. Those of us that have been in the sport know everyone has to pay their dues but todays crop of hunters want instant satisfaction. A prime example is the popularity of the 3 1/2" 12 ga shell/gun.....It allows them a gain in success without having to develop their hunting or shooting skills. They often plan in so much detail that they are unable to adapt as the need arises. They don't have a lot of original thoughts when it comes to settup or strategy nor do they seem to have patience or tollerance. I've noticed that when things don't go right it's always someone elses fault. In reality I feel sorry for them more than anything. They will never put the time (years) into the sport or have the guidance they need to really appreciate it for the rest of their lives.

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Re: Why are hunters bashing

Postby swampbilly 1980 » Fri Nov 08, 2013 6:11 am

assateague wrote:Holy hell there's some self-righteous bastards around here.

Hey you won't see me waterswattin' a Pintail,.. never :lol3: :devil:
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Re: Why are hunters bashing

Postby ohioboy » Fri Nov 08, 2013 7:55 am

SemoDuck12 wrote:All you guys are older than me, so hear me out before you guys get crazy on me.

In my opinion,DD maybe bringing out more people.(not me) BUT you cannot stereotype newbies and younger guys into that category. You can tell who's what.

But the sky blasting, poaching, and setting up near by, aren't anything to do with DD (to me anyways).. That should all be common sense, right?

People who do the things listed above were just not raised and taught the same way we were..

I mean if your going to have to compete for spots, get birds called off you, or have sky busters.. Show them how it's really done, show em what it's really about. If they listen and take it to heart..
It could really change the way they look at the sport, it most def would've for me if I was in their situation..


You guys have a goodnight!

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totally agree, SEMO.

old or young, DD or no DD, people are still going to be a-holes on occasion. or all the time.

and i think you do make a good point about showing people a better way to do things. problem is, as you point out as well, "if they listen." i have corrected people. most are polite and say sorry. but never has someone said, "i learned that on duck dynasty." we want to assign blame to a show, but the blame is generations deep in most cases.
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