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Postby blackduckdog2 » Wed Nov 06, 2013 6:50 pm

The hard core Tea Party guys keep holding out for that massive 220 point rack, sneering at dozens of good eatin' deer whilst their families is starving back in camp. I give 'em another year before they come around
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Re: Boone and Crockett Tea Party Points

Postby vincentpa » Thu Nov 07, 2013 6:50 am

I'm not so positive. I give them until after the 2016 election to come around. They need another drubbing or two before the rank and file wake up to their foolish antics.
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Re: Boone and Crockett Tea Party Points

Postby Andy W » Thu Nov 07, 2013 7:04 am

You're right, who needs the Tea Party anyway? Let's just keep reelecting the same idiots with their 14% approval rating. That's been working well.
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Re: Boone and Crockett Tea Party Points

Postby assateague » Thu Nov 07, 2013 8:47 am

BDD2, what parts of the Tea Party platform do you consider "extremist"?
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Re: Boone and Crockett Tea Party Points

Postby waterfowlman » Thu Nov 07, 2013 9:06 am

Those radical tea party folks actually believe the constitution still has meaning today.
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Re: Boone and Crockett Tea Party Points

Postby assateague » Thu Nov 07, 2013 9:07 am

They must be crazy.
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Re: Boone and Crockett Tea Party Points

Postby Rat Creek » Thu Nov 07, 2013 9:26 am

Yep. Those idiots want to follow the Constitution and stop the ridiculous deficit spending. Yep. They are idiots and crazies. :rolleyes:

We need more liberals and RINOs because they are reasonable and representing America so well. :rolleyes:
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Re: Boone and Crockett Tea Party Points

Postby vincentpa » Thu Nov 07, 2013 9:29 am

I didn't think this was the thrust of this thread.
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Re: Boone and Crockett Tea Party Points

Postby assateague » Thu Nov 07, 2013 9:34 am

Doesn't matter. I said that whenever the Tea Party was brought up, I was going to ask the question until I get an answer.
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Re: Boone and Crockett Tea Party Points

Postby ScaupHunter » Thu Nov 07, 2013 9:51 am

vincentpa wrote:I didn't think this was the thrust of this thread.


It is the thrust of every Tea Party thread. Intentional or otherwise. If people weren't so darn afraid of them and the change back to fiscal responsibility they represent they wouldn't be so busy mocking them at every turn. While the thread doesn't start that we, we all know the history of various folks and how they respond to the Tea Party here.
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Re: Boone and Crockett Tea Party Points

Postby SpinnerMan » Fri Nov 08, 2013 9:44 am

blackduckdog2 wrote:The hard core Tea Party guys keep holding out for that massive 220 point rack, sneering at dozens of good eatin' deer whilst their families is starving back in camp. I give 'em another year before they come around

This is where you are totally wrong.

Show me where the Tea Party has turned their backs on the Republican in the general election.

They are not sore losers. It is the Republican establishment, crony capitalist, cheap foreign labor Republicans that feel entitled to power that are the sore losers. If their candidate loses, they attack them in the general election. They sabotage the candidate. Then claim it is not their fault. If the Tea Party did this, the Democrats would have huge majorities nationwide.

Cuccinelli for example is currently the Attorney General of the state. He had won statewide office. He was not some inexperienced community destroyer running for an office way over his head. He was likable enough to have won state wide office.

And if, God forbid, Chris Christie wins the Republican nominee, they will support him, just like all the other likable losers. Has the Tea Party tried to sabotage this button buck? Nope, because he is vastly better than the skunks he is running against.

BDD2, you are old enough to remember the Gingrich/Delay take over of Congress. Maybe Vince is not. How is anything that different than what they are saying about the Tea Party today? They were too radical, not likable, blah, blah, blah. They were winners. The Tea Party movement produces winners. Look at the nationwide sweep they had in 2010. At the state level, they have made huge gains that the "good" Republicans could never dream of. Hey, if you want Democrat-lite, you probably will prefer the real deal even more. If you don't want it, how motivated will you be to volunteer, donate, spread the message? You won't rip and degrade them, but you aren't going to put the best effort forward. You know you are selling a lemon, but you also know it is better than the rotten lemon running against it. It's a recipe for failure as the Romney, McCain, and a vast array more have shown it to be. It was these idiots that opened the door for the Democrat take over of Congress for the last quarter of Bush's term in office and for the election of the community destroyer to spread his incompetence nationwide.

After the nationwide success of the Tea Party in 2012, Obama set out to cut their funding by using the power of the IRS and the establishment Republicans who now faced threats in the primary needed to destroy them to keep their grip on the money and the power.

You are from Massachusetts. Scott Brown, Tea Party favorite, but hardly the figurative 220 point rack, was he?
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Re: Boone and Crockett Tea Party Points

Postby blackduckdog2 » Fri Nov 08, 2013 11:53 am

assateague wrote:BDD2, what parts of the Tea Party platform do you consider "extremist"?

The sex stuff, especially the pill (yeah I know that's not in the official party platform. It's just de facto wackiness, I guess)
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Re: Boone and Crockett Tea Party Points

Postby blackduckdog2 » Fri Nov 08, 2013 11:55 am

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blackduckdog2 wrote:The hard core Tea Party guys keep holding out for that massive 220 point rack, sneering at dozens of good eatin' deer whilst their families is starving back in camp. I give 'em another year before they come around

This is where you are totally wrong.

Show me where the Tea Party has turned their backs on the Republican in the general election.

They are not sore losers. It is the Republican establishment, crony capitalist, cheap foreign labor Republicans that feel entitled to power that are the sore losers. If their candidate loses, they attack them in the general election. They sabotage the candidate. Then claim it is not their fault. If the Tea Party did this, the Democrats would have huge majorities nationwide.

Cuccinelli for example is currently the Attorney General of the state. He had won statewide office. He was not some inexperienced community destroyer running for an office way over his head. He was likable enough to have won state wide office.

And if, God forbid, Chris Christie wins the Republican nominee, they will support him, just like all the other likable losers. Has the Tea Party tried to sabotage this button buck? Nope, because he is vastly better than the skunks he is running against.

BDD2, you are old enough to remember the Gingrich/Delay take over of Congress. Maybe Vince is not. How is anything that different than what they are saying about the Tea Party today? They were too radical, not likable, blah, blah, blah. They were winners. The Tea Party movement produces winners. Look at the nationwide sweep they had in 2010. At the state level, they have made huge gains that the "good" Republicans could never dream of. Hey, if you want Democrat-lite, you probably will prefer the real deal even more. If you don't want it, how motivated will you be to volunteer, donate, spread the message? You won't rip and degrade them, but you aren't going to put the best effort forward. You know you are selling a lemon, but you also know it is better than the rotten lemon running against it. It's a recipe for failure as the Romney, McCain, and a vast array more have shown it to be. It was these idiots that opened the door for the Democrat take over of Congress for the last quarter of Bush's term in office and for the election of the community destroyer to spread his incompetence nationwide.

After the nationwide success of the Tea Party in 2012, Obama set out to cut their funding by using the power of the IRS and the establishment Republicans who now faced threats in the primary needed to destroy them to keep their grip on the money and the power.

You are from Massachusetts. Scott Brown, Tea Party favorite, but hardly the figurative 220 point rack, was he?

Scott Brown chumped the TP and now they don't like him (instrumental in his loss, btw)
Anyway you run the numbers, Spinner, the Republicans would own the senate if it weren't for wacko TP candidates
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Re: Boone and Crockett Tea Party Points

Postby assateague » Fri Nov 08, 2013 12:04 pm

The democrats would own the House if it wasn't for a wacko administration.

What's your point?
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Re: Boone and Crockett Tea Party Points

Postby assateague » Fri Nov 08, 2013 12:05 pm

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assateague wrote:BDD2, what parts of the Tea Party platform do you consider "extremist"?

The sex stuff, especially the pill (yeah I know that's not in the official party platform. It's just de facto wackiness, I guess)



Are you talking about the government not paying for it, or man and woman marriage?
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Re: Boone and Crockett Tea Party Points

Postby blackduckdog2 » Fri Nov 08, 2013 12:12 pm

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assateague wrote:BDD2, what parts of the Tea Party platform do you consider "extremist"?

The sex stuff, especially the pill (yeah I know that's not in the official party platform. It's just de facto wackiness, I guess)



Are you talking about the government not paying for it, or man and woman marriage?

Oh, the sex stuff and the TP covers a lot of ground. Cuccinelli sure didn't mind a government mandate or two as long as it had to do with peeking through the bedroom windows
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Re: Boone and Crockett Tea Party Points

Postby assateague » Fri Nov 08, 2013 12:47 pm

Like what?



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Preamble: The Tea Party Movement is an all-inclusive American grassroots movement with the belief that everyone is created equal and deserves an equal opportunity to thrive in these United States where they may “pursue life, liberty and happiness” as stated in the Declaration of Independence and guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States.

No one is excluded from participation in the Tea Party Movement. Everyone is welcomed to join in seeking to achieve the Tea Party Movement goals, which are as follows:

1. Eliminate Excessive Taxes - Excessively high taxes are a burden for those exercising their personal liberty to work hard and prosper as afforded by the Constitution. A fiscally responsible government protects the freedom of its citizens to enjoy the fruits of their own labor without interference from a government that has exceeded its necessary size, scope and reach into the lives of its citizens.


2. Eliminate the National Debt - By implementing fiscally conservative policies at all levels of government, progress can be made toward eliminating the U.S. National Debt. Massive increases in the National Debt have created and continue to create a huge burden for the next generation of Americans, thus imperiling the country’s short-term and long-term economic health and prosperity.


3. Eliminate Deficit Spending - All deficit spending must be eliminated immediately. We insist that government representatives at all levels maintain a fiscally responsible budget and balance the books as would be expected of any American business.


4. Protect Free Markets - America’s free enterprise system allows businesses to thrive as they compete in the open marketplace and strive toward ever better services and products. Allowing free markets to prosper unfettered by government interference is what propelled this country to greatness with an enduring belief in the industriousness and innovations of the populace.


5. Abide by the Constitution of the United States - The U.S. Constitution is the supreme law of the land and must be adhered to without exception at all levels of government. This includes the Bill of Rights and other Amendments to the U.S. Constitution and their provisions designed to protect states’ rights and individual liberties.


6. Promote Civic Responsibility - Citizen involvement at the grassroots level allows the voice of the American people to be heard and directs the political behaviors of our representatives at both the local and national level so they, in turn, may be most effective in working to preserve the life, liberty and pursuit of happiness of this country’s citizens.


7. Reduce the Overall Size of Government - A bloated bureaucracy creates wasteful spending that plagues our government. Reducing the overall size, scope and reach of government at both local and national levels will help to eliminate inefficiencies that result in deficit spending which adds to our country’s debt.


8. Believe in the People - The American people, given their guaranteed freedoms, will thrive in a democratic, capitalist environment which allows individuals to strive toward ever greater achievements, innovations and the efficient production of needed and valued goods and services.


9. Avoid the Pitfalls of Politics - American politics is burdened by big money from lobbyists and special interests with an undue influence on the peoples’ representatives. The Tea Party movement is seen as a threat to the entrenched political parties and thus is the continual target of smear campaigns and misrepresentation of its ideals. We choose not to respond to these attacks except to strongly and explicitly disavow any and all hate speech, any and all violence as well as insinuations of violence, and any and all extreme and fringe elements that bring discredit to the Tea Party Movement. We are a peaceful movement and respect other's opinions and views even though they do not agree with our own. We stand by the Tea Party beliefs and goals and choose to focus our energies on ensuring that our government representatives do the same.


10. Maintain Local Independence - The strength and resilience of a grassroots movement is the ability of citizens at the local level to determine their own platforms, agendas and priorities free of an overriding central leadership. Exercising the clearly stated message of the Tea Party movement by its nature involves discourse about which policies and candidates best hold to our stated principles, and these various opinions should flourish and evolve at the local level.
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Re: Boone and Crockett Tea Party Points

Postby Andy W » Fri Nov 08, 2013 1:03 pm

I'd say the leftists would have the biggest problem with #5.
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Re: Boone and Crockett Tea Party Points

Postby SpinnerMan » Fri Nov 08, 2013 1:23 pm

blackduckdog2 wrote:Scott Brown chumped the TP and now they don't like him (instrumental in his loss, btw)
Anyway you run the numbers, Spinner, the Republicans would own the senate if it weren't for wacko TP candidates

So is chumped your new code word for lied? :huh: Is that how it is done in MA? And what, you don't get mad at people that lie to you?

They would own the Senate if the big government, establishment Republicans that value cheap foreign labor over American immigration laws, didn't attack the people that beat them in the primaries. You want a better analogy. These guys had the 1st string position and they lost it, so they give the playbook to the opponents so they can blame their replacements.

The Tea Party candidates win where enthusiasm counts and lose were money counts. They don't control the money and there is nothing they can do about that and it takes a lot of money in Senate races and Governor races in big states like VA.

And don't forget Obama's effort to suppress the fund raising of the grass roots Tea Party organizations. Nixon was an evil bastard for this kind of thing. Obama, well it's just tough politics or some such BS for justifying the abuse of power by his administration.

The Tea Party had huge victories in 2010 and have held most of them. Would the Senate have even been in play without them? They helped in large part to get the House back as well as state legislatures in many states. Look at Wisconsin and so many other places. But they should quit because they didn't win everything they could of and the Republicans should go back to the perpetual losers that gave all the gains of the '90's away :fingerhead: I am sure you would love that. Just like the big government, elitist, crony capitalist Republicans.

Simple common sense looks like wacky behavior when you think the government is not big enough even though it currently spends around $80,000 per year for the average family of four.

blackduckdog2 wrote:Oh, the sex stuff and the TP covers a lot of ground. Cuccinelli sure didn't mind a government mandate or two as long as it had to do with peeking through the bedroom windows

So what were these laws that interfered with you and your boyfriend doing whatever you want IN THE BEDROOM? My guess is you have been chumped. However, nobody is perfect. Never met a politician that I agree 100%. However, it's not like he forced millions of people to lose their health insurance that they liked and wanted to keep, while emphatically promising it would not happen. Maybe they should stamp chumped by Obama on the cancellation notices.
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Postby blackduckdog2 » Fri Nov 08, 2013 3:13 pm

Andy W wrote:I'd say the leftists would have the biggest problem with #5.

Well, maybe I'll have to turn in my leftist papers then, because like every other liberal on this board, I am ALL about keeping the free market free. But you just go on making up arguments you can win, and ignoring the real ones
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Re: Boone and Crockett Tea Party Points

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blackduckdog2 wrote:
Andy W wrote:I'd say the leftists would have the biggest problem with #5.

Well, maybe I'll have to turn in my leftist papers then, because like every other liberal on this board, I am ALL about keeping the free market free. But you just go on making up arguments you can win, and ignoring the real ones

So you opposed Obamacare because it clearly moved to a radically less free market instead of moving towards a free market from the manipulated mess that we have? It was a huge move in the wrong direction, if you do believe in freedom and the personal responsibility that comes with it.
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Re: Boone and Crockett Tea Party Points

Postby blackduckdog2 » Fri Nov 08, 2013 5:28 pm

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Andy W wrote:I'd say the leftists would have the biggest problem with #5.

Well, maybe I'll have to turn in my leftist papers then, because like every other liberal on this board, I am ALL about keeping the free market free. But you just go on making up arguments you can win, and ignoring the real ones

So you opposed Obamacare because it clearly moved to a radically less free market instead of moving towards a free market from the manipulated mess that we have? It was a huge move in the wrong direction, if you do believe in freedom and the personal responsibility that comes with it.

We appear to differ on precisely what measures should be taken in order to assure the free market. Who'da thunk it?!?
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Re: Boone and Crockett Tea Party Points

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blackduckdog2 wrote:
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blackduckdog2 wrote:
Andy W wrote:I'd say the leftists would have the biggest problem with #5.

Well, maybe I'll have to turn in my leftist papers then, because like every other liberal on this board, I am ALL about keeping the free market free. But you just go on making up arguments you can win, and ignoring the real ones

So you opposed Obamacare because it clearly moved to a radically less free market instead of moving towards a free market from the manipulated mess that we have? It was a huge move in the wrong direction, if you do believe in freedom and the personal responsibility that comes with it.

We appear to differ on precisely what measures should be taken in order to assure the free market. Who'da thunk it?!?

If you are required by law to buy a product, is that a free market?

My definition of free market includes freedom. The buyers can choose to buy or not. The sellers can choose to buy or not. No fraud, no coercion, no deception. The ability and freedom to make informed decisions as well as the freedom to make foolish decisions. Basic freedom.

What is your definition of a free market? You appear to have one. Please spell it out so we can see where we differ.

It was not free before Obamacare. Totally uninformed consumer making decisions where they had no clue how it impacted them because they had no clue about the cost they were paying whether through their employer or through medicare or through most mechanism where the consumers paid indirectly for their health care. The one market that was closer to free than most. Obama just eliminated in toto because he personally decided that millions of Americans were too stupid to know what they liked and wanted to keep, so he took away their freedom to choose what they had chosen. How is that not anti-freedom. Edicts from on high imposed upon the subjects. That's exactly what Obamacare is.
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Re: Boone and Crockett Tea Party Points

Postby blackduckdog2 » Fri Nov 08, 2013 10:58 pm

SpinnerMan wrote:
blackduckdog2 wrote:
SpinnerMan wrote:
blackduckdog2 wrote:
Andy W wrote:I'd say the leftists would have the biggest problem with #5.

Well, maybe I'll have to turn in my leftist papers then, because like every other liberal on this board, I am ALL about keeping the free market free. But you just go on making up arguments you can win, and ignoring the real ones

So you opposed Obamacare because it clearly moved to a radically less free market instead of moving towards a free market from the manipulated mess that we have? It was a huge move in the wrong direction, if you do believe in freedom and the personal responsibility that comes with it.

We appear to differ on precisely what measures should be taken in order to assure the free market. Who'da thunk it?!?

If you are required by law to buy a product, is that a free market?

My definition of free market includes freedom. The buyers can choose to buy or not. The sellers can choose to buy or not. No fraud, no coercion, no deception. The ability and freedom to make informed decisions as well as the freedom to make foolish decisions. Basic freedom.

What is your definition of a free market? You appear to have one. Please spell it out so we can see where we differ.

It was not free before Obamacare. Totally uninformed consumer making decisions where they had no clue how it impacted them because they had no clue about the cost they were paying whether through their employer or through medicare or through most mechanism where the consumers paid indirectly for their health care. The one market that was closer to free than most. Obama just eliminated in toto because he personally decided that millions of Americans were too stupid to know what they liked and wanted to keep, so he took away their freedom to choose what they had chosen. How is that not anti-freedom. Edicts from on high imposed upon the subjects. That's exactly what Obamacare is.

Get back to me when you can buy a car without seat belts
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Re: Boone and Crockett Tea Party Points

Postby SpinnerMan » Sat Nov 09, 2013 4:28 am

blackduckdog2 wrote:
SpinnerMan wrote:
blackduckdog2 wrote:
SpinnerMan wrote:
blackduckdog2 wrote:
Andy W wrote:I'd say the leftists would have the biggest problem with #5.

Well, maybe I'll have to turn in my leftist papers then, because like every other liberal on this board, I am ALL about keeping the free market free. But you just go on making up arguments you can win, and ignoring the real ones

So you opposed Obamacare because it clearly moved to a radically less free market instead of moving towards a free market from the manipulated mess that we have? It was a huge move in the wrong direction, if you do believe in freedom and the personal responsibility that comes with it.

We appear to differ on precisely what measures should be taken in order to assure the free market. Who'da thunk it?!?

If you are required by law to buy a product, is that a free market?

My definition of free market includes freedom. The buyers can choose to buy or not. The sellers can choose to buy or not. No fraud, no coercion, no deception. The ability and freedom to make informed decisions as well as the freedom to make foolish decisions. Basic freedom.

What is your definition of a free market? You appear to have one. Please spell it out so we can see where we differ.

It was not free before Obamacare. Totally uninformed consumer making decisions where they had no clue how it impacted them because they had no clue about the cost they were paying whether through their employer or through medicare or through most mechanism where the consumers paid indirectly for their health care. The one market that was closer to free than most. Obama just eliminated in toto because he personally decided that millions of Americans were too stupid to know what they liked and wanted to keep, so he took away their freedom to choose what they had chosen. How is that not anti-freedom. Edicts from on high imposed upon the subjects. That's exactly what Obamacare is.

Get back to me when you can buy a car without seat belts

So you cannot define a free market until you can buy a car without seat belts? :eek: You need to seek some serious mental health help.

You do have sort of advanced English degree, do you not? Why is it so hard to communicate your definition of a free market? Could it be that like most liberal definitions of freedom, it revolves around government control? :yes:
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