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Re: Angola 'Bans Islam', Dismantles Mosques

Postby whistlingwings » Mon Nov 25, 2013 1:32 pm

You guys really are nutz-o.

"Separation of Church and State isn't in the Constitution."

First Amendment to the Constitution: :hammer:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

^ so the Constitution explicitly says Congress cannot create a low that would prohibit the free exercise of religion, and you "constitutionalists" want to kick Muslims out of the country. :fingerhead:
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Re: Angola 'Bans Islam', Dismantles Mosques

Postby whistlingwings » Mon Nov 25, 2013 1:32 pm

Indaswamp wrote:U.S. merchant ships were afforded protection by the crown until the signing of the declaration of independence. At that point, the crown withdrew the protection and merchant ships were meticulously attacked be muslim Barbarous Pirates. Piracy was the reason for the creation of the Navy.


Again, you should read the Navy's own website.

The Navy Department Library:
http://www.history.navy.mil/wars/index.html#anchor1450

Listed in chronological order, by the Navy Department Library:
Revolutionary War 1775-1783
Quasi-War with France 1798-1801
Barbary Wars 1801-1805, 1815

:fingerhead: but I'm sure the Navy is politically motivated to say that their organization was NOT created to fight Muslims, right?
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Re: Angola 'Bans Islam', Dismantles Mosques

Postby Indaswamp » Mon Nov 25, 2013 1:41 pm

Piracy had been going on long before the first Barbary War. The Merchant Betsy was captured on October 11, 1784 by Moroccan pirates. Thomas Jefferson sent Delegates to travel over seas to negotiate the release of prisoners and a return of the vessel.

Bottom line is that Muslim Piracy is THE reason for the creation of the Navy.
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Re: Angola 'Bans Islam', Dismantles Mosques

Postby Indaswamp » Mon Nov 25, 2013 1:43 pm

whistlingwings wrote:
Indaswamp wrote:U.S. merchant ships were afforded protection by the crown until the signing of the declaration of independence. At that point, the crown withdrew the protection and merchant ships were meticulously attacked be muslim Barbarous Pirates. Piracy was the reason for the creation of the Navy.


Again, you should read the Navy's own website.

The Navy Department Library:
http://www.history.navy.mil/wars/index.html#anchor1450

Listed in chronological order, by the Navy Department Library:
Revolutionary War 1775-1783
Quasi-War with France 1798-1801
Barbary Wars 1801-1805, 1815

:fingerhead: but I'm sure the Navy is politically motivated to say that their organization was NOT created to fight Muslims, right?

and you should read the congressional records....
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Re: Angola 'Bans Islam', Dismantles Mosques

Postby whistlingwings » Mon Nov 25, 2013 1:47 pm

Indaswamp wrote:Piracy had been going on long before the first Barbary War. The Merchant Betsy was captured on October 11, 1784 by Moroccan pirates. Thomas Jefferson sent Delegates to travel over seas to negotiate the release of prisoners and a return of the vessel.

Bottom line is that Muslim Piracy is THE reason for the creation of the Navy.


No. You are completely wrong. The Navy celebrates its birthday on October 13th every year, the day it was founded to fight the British. Anyone in the Navy on these forums?

From the NAVY'S OWN WEBSITE: http://www.history.navy.mil/birthday.htm
"The United States Navy traces its origins to the Continental Navy, which the Continental Congress established on 13 October 1775"

It's amazing how, in the face of facts, you still maintain your delusions.
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Re: Angola 'Bans Islam', Dismantles Mosques

Postby Indaswamp » Mon Nov 25, 2013 1:49 pm

Yes, Let's look at the text of the Naval act of 1794 shall we...(I went ahead and enlarged the relevant text for you)

Whereas the depredations committed by the Algerine corsairs on the commerce of the United States render it necessary that a naval force should be provided for its protection:

President of the U. States to provide four ships of 44 guns, and two ships of 36 guns each.Section 1. Be it therefore enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That the President of the United States be authorized to provide, by purchase or otherwise, equip and employ four ships to carry forty-four guns each, and two ships to carry thirty-six guns each.

How officered.Sec. 2. And be it further enacted, That there shall be employed on board each of the said ships of forty-four guns, one captain, four lieutenants, one lieutenant of marines, one chaplain, one surgeon, and two surgeon’s mates; and in each of the ships of thirty-six guns, one captain, three lieutenants, one lieutenant of marines, one surgeon, and one surgeon’s mate, who shall be appointed and commissioned in like manner as other officers of the United States are.

Sec. 3. And be it further enacted, That there shall be employed, in each of the said ships, the following warrant officers, who shall be appointed by the President of the United States, to wit: One sailing-master, one purser, one boatswain, one gunner, one sail-maker, one carpenter, and eight midshipmen; and the following petty officers, who shall be appointed by the captains of the ships, respectively, in which they are to be employed, viz: two master’s mates, one captain’s clerk, two boatswain’s mates, one cockswain, one sail-maker’s mate, two gunner’s mates, one yeoman of the gun room, nine quarter-gunners, (and for the four larger ships two additional quarter-gunners,) two carpenter’s mates, one armourer, one steward, one cooper, one master-at-arms, and one cook.

How manned.Sec. 4. And be it further enacted, That the crews of each of the said ships of forty-four guns, shall consist of one hundred and fifty seamen, one hundred and three midshipmen and ordinary seamen, one sergeant, one corporal, one drum, one fife, and fifty marines; and that the crews of each of the said ships of thirty-six guns shall consist of one hundred and thirty able seamen and midshipmen, ninety ordinary seamen, one sergeant, two corporals, one drum, one fife, and forty marines, over and above the officers herein before mentioned.

President of United States may purchase a force not exceeding that directed by this act.Sec. 5. And be it further enacted, That the President of the United States be, and he is hereby empowered, to provide, by purchase or may purchase a force not exceeding that directed by this act.otherwise, in lieu of the said six ships, a naval force not exceeding, in the whole, that by this act directed, so that no ship thus provided shall carry less than thirty-two guns; or he may so provide any proportion thereof, which, in his discretion, he may think proper.

Pay and subsistence.Sec. 6. And be it further enacted, That the pay and subsistence of the respective commissioned and warrant officers be as follows:—A captain, seventy-five dollars per month, and six rations per day;—a lieutenant, forty dollars per month, and three rations per day;—a lieutenant of marines, twenty-six dollars per month, and two rations per day;—a chaplain, forty dollars per month, and two rations per day;—a sailing-master, forty dollars per month, and two rations per day;—a surgeon, fifty dollars per month, and two rations per day; a surgeon’s mate, thirty dollars per month, and two rations per day;—a purser, forty dollars per month, and two rations per day;—a boatswain, fourteen dollars per month, and two rations per day;—a gunner, fourteen dollars per month, and two rations per day;—a sailmaker, fourteen dollars per month, and two rations per day;—a carpenter, fourteen dollars per month, and two rations per day.

Pay to petty officers to be fixed by the President.
Not to exceed certain sum.Sec. 7. And be it further enacted, That the pay to be allowed to the petty officers, midshipmen, seamen, ordinary seamen and marines, shall be fixed by the President of the United States: Provided, That the whole sum to be given for the whole pay aforesaid, shall not exceed twenty-seven thousand dollars per month, and that each of the said persons shall be entitled to one ration per day.

Component parts of ration.Sec. 8. And be it further enacted, That the ration shall consist of, as follows: Sunday, one pound of bread, one pound and a half of beef, and half a pint of rice:—Monday, one pound of bread, one pound of pork, half a pint of peas or beans, and four ounces of cheese:—Tuesday, one pound of bread, one pound and a half of beef, and one pound of potatoes, or turnips, and pudding: Wednesday, one pound of bread, two ounces of butter, or in lieu thereof, six ounces of molasses, four ounces of cheese, and half a pint of rice:—Thursday, one pound of bread, one pound of pork, and half a pint of peas or beans:—Friday, one pound of bread, one pound of salt fish, two ounces of butter or one gill of oil, and one pound of potatoes:—Saturday, one pound of bread, one pound of pork, half a pint of peas or beans, and four ounces of cheese:—And there shall also be allowed one half pint of distilled spirits per day, or, in lieu thereof, one quart of beer per day, to each ration.

When proceedings under this act shall cease.Sec. 9. Provided always, and be it further enacted, That if a peace shall take place between the United States and the Regency of Algiers, that no farther proceeding be had under this act.

Approved, March 27, 1794.

↑ The acts for the establishment and regulation of the navy of the United States, are: An act to provide a naval armament, March 27, 1794, chap. 12; an act supplementary to an act entitled, “An act to provide a naval armament, April 20, 1796, chap. 14; an act providing a naval armament, July 1, 1797, chap. 7; an act to provide an additional armament for the further protection of the trade of the United States, and for other purposes, April 27, 1798, chap. 31; an act authorizing the President of the United States to cause to be purchased or built a number of small vessels to be equipped as galleys or otherwise, May 4, 1798, chap. 39; an act to amend the act entitled, “An act providing a naval armament,” and “an act to authorize the President of the United States to cause to be purchased or built a number of small vessels to be equipped as galleys or otherwise,” June 22, 1798, chap. 55; an act supplementary to an act entitled, “An act to provide an additional armament for the further protection of the trade of the United States, and for other purposes,” June 30, 1798, chap. 64; an act for the augmentation of the navy, February 25, 1799, chap. 13; an act for the government of the navy of the United States, March 2, 1799, chap. 24; an act to increase the navy of the United States, January 2, 1813, chap. 6; an act supplementary to the act for increasing the navy of the United States, March 3, 1813, chap. 54; an act to authorize the President of the United States to cause to be built or purchased the vessels therein directed, November 15, 1814, chap. 3; an act for the gradual increase of the navy of the United States, April 29, 1816, chap. 138; an act supplementary to an act entitled, “An act concerning the naval establishment,” March 1, 1817, chap. 24; an act to amend the act entitled, “An act for the gradual increase of the navy of the United States,” March 3, 1821, chap. 46; an act authorizing an additional naval force for the suppression of piracy, December 20, 1822, chap. 1; an act supplementary to an act for the gradual increase of the navy of the United States, May 17, 1826, chap. 64; an act for the gradual improvement of the navy of the United States, March 3, 1827, chap. 93; an act in addition to the act for the gradual improvement of the navy of the United States, March 2, 1833, chap. 67; an act to provide for the enlistment of boys for the naval service, and to extend the term for the enlistment of seamen, March 2, 1837, chap. 21; an act to change the titles of certain officers in the navy, March 3, 1837, chap. 30.

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Re: Angola 'Bans Islam', Dismantles Mosques

Postby Indaswamp » Mon Nov 25, 2013 1:50 pm

Therefore, I stand by my statement that the US Navy was created because of Muslim Piracy.
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Re: Angola 'Bans Islam', Dismantles Mosques

Postby whistlingwings » Mon Nov 25, 2013 1:55 pm

:lol3: the Navy says, themselves, they were created to fight the British. Everyone in the entire Navy celebrates it every year. They give a detailed history of their organization, on their .mil website. Yet you stick with your "theory." Man, you are seriously delusional.
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Re: Angola 'Bans Islam', Dismantles Mosques

Postby whistlingwings » Mon Nov 25, 2013 1:57 pm

Again, from the Navy's own "Our Birthday" website:

The United States Navy traces its origins to the Continental Navy, which the Continental Congress established on 13 October 1775, by authorizing the procurement, fitting out, manning, and dispatch of two armed vessels to cruise in search of munitions ships supplying the British Army in America.


The Constitution of the United States, ratified in 1789, empowered Congress "to provide and maintain a navy."
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Re: Angola 'Bans Islam', Dismantles Mosques

Postby whistlingwings » Mon Nov 25, 2013 1:58 pm

Ok Rainman: just assume you are right, the Navy was founded to fight Muslims :fingerhead:


Most servicemen and women today fight for American Muslims, they fight for all Americans. Your "kick Muslims out" attitude is what they want gone.
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Re: Angola 'Bans Islam', Dismantles Mosques

Postby Indaswamp » Mon Nov 25, 2013 2:02 pm

whistlingwings wrote:Ok Rainman: just assume you are right, the Navy was founded to fight Muslims :fingerhead:


Most servicemen and women today fight for American Muslims, they fight for all Americans. Your "kick Muslims out" attitude is what they want gone.

:lol3: :lol3: :lol3: :lol3: :lol3: keep diggin....
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Re: Angola 'Bans Islam', Dismantles Mosques

Postby Indaswamp » Mon Nov 25, 2013 2:06 pm

Whereas the depredations committed by the Algerine corsairs on the commerce of the United States render it necessary that a naval force should be provided for its protection:


Do you need a translation on that?
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Re: Angola 'Bans Islam', Dismantles Mosques

Postby whistlingwings » Mon Nov 25, 2013 2:07 pm

Buddy, you're right, of course the Navy was created to fight Muslims, not the British :rolleyes:

Now address this: 99% of servicemen and women are fighting for American Muslims. They're fighting for American Buddhists, American Mormons, American Scientologists, and American Christians.

Your religious hate, "kick out the Muslim" attitude is contrary to the First Amendment to the Constitution. Kicking Muslims, or anyone of any religion, out of our country would be unconstitutional.
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Re: Angola 'Bans Islam', Dismantles Mosques

Postby Indaswamp » Mon Nov 25, 2013 2:08 pm

whistlingwings wrote:Ok Rainman: just assume you are right, the Navy was founded to fight Muslims :fingerhead:


Most servicemen and women today fight for American Muslims, they fight for all Americans. Your "kick Muslims out" attitude is what they want gone.

Tell that to the soldiers that died at Fort Hood. :hi:
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Re: Angola 'Bans Islam', Dismantles Mosques

Postby Indaswamp » Mon Nov 25, 2013 2:12 pm

I am against ANY muslim, foreign or domestic, that wants to impose Sharia Law in the United States. You are a fool if you are not. That is unless you are Muslim.
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Re: Angola 'Bans Islam', Dismantles Mosques

Postby whistlingwings » Mon Nov 25, 2013 2:13 pm

Tell that to the servicemen who fought for the freedom of all Iraqi's and Afghans :clapping:

You obviously do not know any servicemen or women who have fought in either conflict.

You are also delusional in thinking that many Muslims want to "impose Sharia Law" in the US. Wacko.
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Postby whistlingwings » Mon Nov 25, 2013 2:15 pm

What if I am Muslim? And I love US law just the way it is, mainly because of freedom of religion? Your delusional brain would want me out of this country, solely because of the religion I practice. Fortunately our founding fathers were much much smarter than you are, and added the Bill of Rights to our Constitution so that nutjobs like you can't impose your religion on others.
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Re: Angola 'Bans Islam', Dismantles Mosques

Postby Indaswamp » Mon Nov 25, 2013 2:16 pm

whistlingwings wrote:What if I am Muslim? And I love US law just the way it is, mainly because of freedom of religion? Your delusional brain would want me out of this country, solely because of the religion I practice. Fortunately our founding fathers were much much smarter than you are, and added the Bill of Rights to our Constitution so that nutjobs like you can't impose your religion on others.

Well are you? Do you support the imposition Sharia law?
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Re: Angola 'Bans Islam', Dismantles Mosques

Postby Indaswamp » Mon Nov 25, 2013 2:17 pm

whistlingwings wrote: nutjobs like you can't impose your religion on others.

:lol3: :lol3: :lol3: :lol3: :lol3: :lol3:
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Re: Angola 'Bans Islam', Dismantles Mosques

Postby Andy W » Mon Nov 25, 2013 2:18 pm

whistlingwings wrote:You are also delusional in thinking that many Muslims want to "impose Sharia Law" in the US. Wacko.

You don't know much about the Islamic religion do you?
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Re: Angola 'Bans Islam', Dismantles Mosques

Postby Indaswamp » Mon Nov 25, 2013 2:20 pm

Andy W wrote:
whistlingwings wrote:You are also delusional in thinking that many Muslims want to "impose Sharia Law" in the US. Wacko.

You don't know much about the Islamic religion do you?

No he does not, but his ignorance is entertaining.
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Re: Angola 'Bans Islam', Dismantles Mosques

Postby whistlingwings » Mon Nov 25, 2013 2:22 pm

You are complete nutjobs if you really think that American Muslims want Sharia law. MANY American Muslims immigrated here to get away from countries with strict Sharia law.

Why don't you ask some *active duty* servicemen and women if they are fighting for American Christians or American Muslims. I think you will learn a lot.

And again, even the Muslims who would love to impose Sharia law are allowed to practice and preach their religion, just like Christians, thanks to the foresight of our Constitution.
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Re: Angola 'Bans Islam', Dismantles Mosques

Postby Indaswamp » Mon Nov 25, 2013 2:26 pm

whistlingwings wrote:You are complete nutjobs if you really think that American Muslims want Sharia law. MANY American Muslims immigrated here to get away from countries with strict Sharia law.

Why don't you ask some *active duty* servicemen and women if they are fighting for American Christians or American Muslims. I think you will learn a lot.

And again, even the Muslims who would love to impose Sharia law are allowed to practice and preach their religion, just like Christians, thanks to the foresight of our Constitution.

Assateague is gonna have some fun with you. I think I'll pop some popcorn.
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Re: Angola 'Bans Islam', Dismantles Mosques

Postby SpinnerMan » Mon Nov 25, 2013 2:28 pm

whistlingwings wrote:You guys really are nutz-o.

"Separation of Church and State isn't in the Constitution."

First Amendment to the Constitution: :hammer:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

^ so the Constitution explicitly says Congress cannot create a low that would prohibit the free exercise of religion, and you "constitutionalists" want to kick Muslims out of the country. :fingerhead:

That is VERY different than a wall of separation between the church and state.

The federal government cannot prohibit your free exercise. It cannot ban Islam. That is an absolute fact. But they can do many things that benefit religions if they so choose. They want to fund Islamic charities. They can do that. It does not infringe upon the free exercise of my religion. This has been one of so many bastardizations of the Constitution. Simple question, did Massachusetts vote to make much of its Constitution null and void? Yes or no? Common sense says of course they did not, but you seem to believe that is what they did.

BTW, you just moved on from your claim about Islamic versus Christian terrorist in the U.S. What is the ratio of terrorist acts and what is the ratio of Muslim to Christians? Sounds more like an attack than serious thought. :yes:

whistlingwings wrote: MANY American Muslims immigrated here to get away from countries with strict Sharia law.
Do you have any data to support that? Maybe they just came here for the great welfare benefits like many of them do in Europe. It's not a fact just because you would like it to be true. I honestly have no idea about the primary motivations of such a small fraction of the population. Most Muslims that I know have a Ph.D., so I don't pretend to think they are representative.
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Re: Angola 'Bans Islam', Dismantles Mosques

Postby whistlingwings » Mon Nov 25, 2013 2:32 pm

It's obvious you

1.) Do not personally know any American Muslims
2.) Do not personally know any active duty military personnel who have served in Iraq or Afghanistan, or have not asked them their opinion about American Muslims
3.) Even when faced with concrete fact, like the Navy's own website explaining they were created to fight the British, stick to your delusions

Continue with your rants, mr. forum moderator. We'll sit back and enjoy your delusions :smile:


Do you have any data to support that?


Yes: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline ... e-numbers/
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