dudejcb wrote: SpinnerMan wrote:
dudejcb wrote:Tell me Spinner, just for perspective, how long did Ken Starr investigate Clinton? and what was the cost? and what was the victory?
Nothing if you only care about political victory. It is the irony of all ironies that the Democrats talk about a war on women and then defend a man accused many times by many women of sexual assault up to and including rape. Of course political victory demands that these women not be taken seriously. However, Christie been accused of political retribution, now that is serious. Why? Because there is victory to be had.
right and wrong. What is the political victory to be had?
And this attitude of what victory is how we get Obamacare. A huge victory for Obama and great suffering for millions.
If the Republicans had acted like Democrats, Nixon could also have claimed all this money spent, but what victory was had? Would you have believed that would have been a victory for justice or a victory for the powerful being above the law?
Don't obfuscate. Just give us the facts about the Starr Adventures. facts are your area of interest and expertise. I expect some bar charts showing money spent versus value obtained, or some such Spinneresque contrivance.
I know you are old enough to remember. Maybe you are getting too old that you are forgetting.
Impeaching a president for crimes that he later cops to in a plea agreement is HUGE!
The Democrats simply saying those crimes are not sufficient to remove a president is also huge. That was my last straw with the Democrat party which made it clear that they feel they are above the law, especially the powerful.
Then there were a large number of people that went to jail. It uncovered corruption on a broad scale, but I know that you simply do not care about that. If you did, you could not support Democrats in general and Illinois politicians in particular. This is business as usual, which is why so many people went to jail as a result of the Clinton investigation and why so many people close to Obama have gone to jail in Illinois.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitewater_controversy
Ultimately the Clintons were never charged, but 15 other persons were convicted of more than 40 crimes, including Bill Clinton's successor as Governor, who was removed from office.
Jim Guy Tucker: Governor of Arkansas at the time, removed from office (fraud, 3 counts)
John Haley: attorney for Jim Guy Tucker (tax evasion)
William J. Marks, Sr.: Jim Guy Tucker business partner (conspiracy)
Stephen Smith: former Governor Clinton aide (conspiracy to misapply funds). Bill Clinton pardoned.
Webster Hubbell: Clinton political supporter; Rose Law Firm partner (embezzlement, fraud)
Jim McDougal: banker, Clinton political supporter: (18 felonies, varied)
Susan McDougal: Clinton political supporter (multiple fraud). Bill Clinton pardoned.
David Hale: banker, self-proclaimed Clinton political supporter: (conspiracy, fraud)
Neal Ainley: Perry County Bank president (embezzled bank funds for Clinton campaign)
Chris Wade: Whitewater real estate broker (multiple loan fraud). Bill Clinton pardoned.
Larry Kuca: Madison real estate agent (multiple loan fraud)
Robert W. Palmer: Madison appraiser (conspiracy). Bill Clinton pardoned.
John Latham: Madison Bank CEO (bank fraud)
Eugene Fitzhugh: Whitewater defendant (multiple bribery)
Charles Matthews: Whitewater defendant (bribery)
A politician thinks of the next election; a statesman of the next generation. A politician looks for the success of his party; a statesman for that of the country. The statesman wished to steer, while the politician was satisfied to drift.