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that missing plane

Postby ohioboy » Sat Mar 15, 2014 9:14 am

i dont know this, maybe somebody does: how long, or rather, how close could a plane get to US soil without being stopped? if it was loaded up with a weapon, could it be a real threat?
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Postby ScaupHunter » Sat Mar 15, 2014 3:12 pm

With the right transponder they could do so very easily.
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Re: that missing plane

Postby dudejcb » Sat Mar 15, 2014 8:19 pm

ScaupHunter wrote:With the right transponder they could do so very easily.
I don't have the benefit of your military background so forgive me in advance, but, doesn't the idea of using a transponder, even of it's "the right transponder," run counter to the notion of a stealth attack?
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Re: that missing plane

Postby assateague » Sat Mar 15, 2014 8:50 pm

No, meaning "the right transponder" as in, one that is expected or "normal". If the plane is squawking that it's "British Airways Flight blah blah blah from St. Croix" it really has no reason to be questioned. It would be stealthy only insofar as it appeared to be a planeload of tourists from the Bahamas, rather than a planeload of highly enriched uranium from Teheran.
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Re: that missing plane

Postby dudejcb » Sat Mar 15, 2014 9:34 pm

assateague wrote:No, meaning "the right transponder" as in, one that is expected or "normal". If the plane is squawking that it's "British Airways Flight blah blah blah from St. Croix" it really has no reason to be questioned. It would be stealthy only insofar as it appeared to be a planeload of tourists from the Bahamas, rather than a planeload of highly enriched uranium from Teheran.

yeah. I thought about that before I posted. Anything is possible but I wonder if that wouldn't get sniffed out fairly quickly.

I suppose they could shoot down a planeload of tourists from the Bahamas and then proceed along that flight path. But I doubt Chuck Norris would fall for that.
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Re: that missing plane

Postby ScaupHunter » Sat Mar 15, 2014 10:29 pm

Humans see what they want to see. Humans doing repeated things will quite regularly miss things that seem normal and obviously fit their expected routine. They don't have to shoot anything down, only slide one plane into the stream and fly it into a port city or something similar.
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Re: that missing plane

Postby assateague » Sat Mar 15, 2014 11:01 pm

dudejcb wrote:
assateague wrote:No, meaning "the right transponder" as in, one that is expected or "normal". If the plane is squawking that it's "British Airways Flight blah blah blah from St. Croix" it really has no reason to be questioned. It would be stealthy only insofar as it appeared to be a planeload of tourists from the Bahamas, rather than a planeload of highly enriched uranium from Teheran.

yeah. I thought about that before I posted. Anything is possible but I wonder if that wouldn't get sniffed out fairly quickly.

I suppose they could shoot down a planeload of tourists from the Bahamas and then proceed along that flight path. But I doubt Chuck Norris would fall for that.



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Re: that missing plane

Postby beretta24 » Sun Mar 16, 2014 7:21 am

Agreed, if a plane comes in on a normal flight path I'd suppose the could hit just about anything they want. It's amazing what you can get away with when you just act like you know what you're doing.
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Re: that missing plane

Postby assateague » Sun Mar 16, 2014 9:10 am

Yep. When I was a private investigator, I was amazed at some of the places I went and so e of the access I got, simply by acting like I was supposed to be there. Same thing for a plane.
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Re: that missing plane

Postby dudejcb » Sun Mar 16, 2014 9:25 am

yeah, but what about Chuck Norris?
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Postby assateague » Sun Mar 16, 2014 10:22 am

Well, if he hijacked it, then we're all screwed. Game over.
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Re: that missing plane

Postby ohioboy » Sun Mar 16, 2014 12:51 pm

I am a little concerned due to my location. i am pretty darn close to dc as the crow flies. and a 777 can carry quite a large payload.

so transponders are that easy to switch out?
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Re: that missing plane

Postby ScaupHunter » Sun Mar 16, 2014 2:04 pm

For the average person it is impossible. For someone who knows how to do it it is as simple as reprogramming the transponder to send the right signal. There are lots of people who can reprogram a transponder. Plenty more who can replace one with the right one as well.
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Re: that missing plane

Postby tknight006 » Sun Mar 16, 2014 6:56 pm

Swapping the transponder is very doable, but I think programming with thrower codes is the tough part.

Also, if the jet is pretending to be flight so and so from the Bahamas, there is already a flight plan on file for the actual aircraft being impersonated... that would possibly be an indicator when two planes are reporting the same tail number. A cross country flight from within the states is much easier than a trans Atlantic flight.
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Re: that missing plane

Postby ScaupHunter » Sun Mar 16, 2014 8:51 pm

Not hard to file a flight plan. Remember that the groups doing this hit the Twin Towers twice. The second time with planes. They have been immigrating and embedding into our society at many levels.
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Re: that missing plane

Postby Indaswamp » Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:25 am

Most plausible explanation I have seen yet:

{Remember, the pilot was a staunch supporter of the opposition party in Malaysia and attended the trial of the opposition leader (where he was sentenced to 5 years in prison) the day before the flight....}
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Re: that missing plane

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Re: that missing plane

Postby Indaswamp » Tue Mar 18, 2014 8:54 am

ctdeathfrombelow wrote:I am more partial to this one.

http://keithledgerwood.tumblr.com/post/ ... sia68-sq68

interesting....
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Re: that missing plane

Postby JuniorPre 360 » Tue Mar 18, 2014 9:12 am

Indaswamp wrote:
ctdeathfrombelow wrote:I am more partial to this one.

http://keithledgerwood.tumblr.com/post/ ... sia68-sq68

interesting....

yeah... kinda gives you an uneasy feeling
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Re: that missing plane

Postby Slack Tide » Tue Mar 18, 2014 11:38 am

assateague wrote: I was amazed at some of the places I went and so e of the access I got, simply by acting like I was supposed to be there. Same thing for a plane.

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Re: that missing plane

Postby ScaupHunter » Tue Mar 18, 2014 12:21 pm

JuniorPre 360 wrote:
Indaswamp wrote:
ctdeathfrombelow wrote:I am more partial to this one.

http://keithledgerwood.tumblr.com/post/ ... sia68-sq68

interesting....

yeah... kinda gives you an uneasy feeling



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This one actually holds up to scrutiny. I do not know enough about the airline industry and systems to verify it, but the guy seems to know what he is talking about. It is totally plausible if commercial airliners do not have radars. It seems really weird that they would not have have radars. In know they have proximity systems that warn of a crash, but those may depend on the transponder signals to indicate another plane is close or approaching.

No wreckage found? Plane made a beeline to another flight path! There are 200 or so people who are in a horrible place and will never see the light of day again. I for one hope they are no longer breathing. Middle easterner's are not known for being kind to prisoners.
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Re: that missing plane

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Re: that missing plane

Postby charlie beard » Tue Mar 18, 2014 5:48 pm

A plane 209 feet long just vanished.
No cell phone calls from any of the passengers.
So much for the Worlds high technology. :huh:
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Re: that missing plane

Postby ctdeathfrombelow » Tue Mar 18, 2014 5:52 pm

charlie beard wrote:A plane 209 feet long just vanished.
No cell phone calls from any of the passengers.
So much for the Worlds high technology. :huh:

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Re: that missing plane

Postby SpinnerMan » Wed Mar 19, 2014 5:44 am

charlie beard wrote:A plane 209 feet long just vanished.
No cell phone calls from any of the passengers.
So much for the Worlds high technology. :huh:

Here's a pretty good read on the subject.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/18/world/asia/questions-over-absence-of-cellphone-calls-from-missing-passengers.html?_r=0
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