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Russia warns of turning USA into ashes

Postby buckmeister » Sun Mar 16, 2014 6:09 pm

MOSCOW, March 16 (Reuters) - A Kremlin-backed journalist issued a stark warning to the United States about Moscow's nuclear capabilities on Sunday as the White House threatened sanctions over Crimea's referendum on union with Russia.


"Russia is the only country in the world that is realistically capable of turning the United States into radioactive ash," television presenter Dmitry Kiselyov said on his weekly current affairs show.


The above just shows what a dam America hating fool our president is for unilaterally deciding to reduce our nuclear arsenal. :no:
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Re: Russia warns of turning USA into ashes

Postby dudejcb » Sun Mar 16, 2014 6:13 pm

don"t worry buck. We've still have plenty more, and the ones we have are pretty good--accurate and hard to stop. Besides, after the first few salvo's it really doesn't matter.
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Re: Russia warns of turning USA into ashes

Postby buckmeister » Sun Mar 16, 2014 6:28 pm

I know the Russians are not that stupid. But I ask you what did we gain by reducing our arsenal. I am not versed in American and Russian nuclear capabilities but a good friend of mine I grew up with is, he was a project engineer on the star wars program, He told my what a loosing transaction it was for us compared to what Russia did. Oboma is ridiculed and thought to be weak In the world now and as much as I despise is Marxist collectivist world view I certainly don't relish any American president looking weak and foolish to the thugs of the world.

what does worry me and should worry everyone is that Oboma is going to go further in our nuclear reduction. I especially fear him at some point reducing our nuke sub force.
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Re: Russia warns of turning USA into ashes

Postby dudejcb » Sun Mar 16, 2014 6:41 pm

Nuclear material is a liability in and of itself. Obsolete nuclear weapons even more so. Getting rid of our old nuclear trash through secure storage, incineration/deconstruction makes it unavailable to ne'er do wells, reducing the number of headaches to deal with. At least that's how I view it.
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Re: Russia warns of turning USA into ashes

Postby nitram » Sun Mar 16, 2014 6:46 pm

buckmeister wrote:what does worry me and should worry everyone is that Oboma is going to go further in our nuclear reduction. I especially fear him at some point reducing our nuke sub force.


It would be comforting to say that President Obama is a victim of his own naivete and ego. There’s no doubt he loves hearing from human refuse like Medvedev that he is “a thinker,” unlike “other people” (read: George W. Bush). But there’s more to it than simple ego appeasement. There is a disturbing anti-Americanism that animates Obama and his policies. Rev. Jeremiah Wright famously said, “God damn America.” God doesn’t have to. Obama’s doing it for him.
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Re: Russia warns of turning USA into ashes

Postby charlie beard » Sun Mar 16, 2014 7:06 pm

nitram wrote:
buckmeister wrote:what does worry me and should worry everyone is that Oboma is going to go further in our nuclear reduction. I especially fear him at some point reducing our nuke sub force.


It would be comforting to say that President Obama is a victim of his own naivete and ego. There’s no doubt he loves hearing from human refuse like Medvedev that he is “a thinker,” unlike “other people” (read: George W. Bush). But there’s more to it than simple ego appeasement. There is a disturbing anti-Americanism that animates Obama and his policies. Rev. Jeremiah Wright famously said, “God damn America.” God doesn’t have to. Obama’s doing it for him.


Well didn't vote for Obama and have no use for him.
Although he is Commander and Chief with all do respect.
Going to say this he did not do this all by himself.

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Re: Russia warns of turning USA into ashes

Postby Rat Creek » Mon Mar 17, 2014 3:31 pm

The two things we do know is Obama has a huge ego based his awesome achievements (which do not exist) and he is very thin skinned. His one skill for reading teleprompters does not translate well into the areas of foreign affairs and dealing with ruthless people, so how he reacts and who he chooses to listen to are all up for grabs. If he were a strong leader, the world would know what to expect. At the moment, the world expects another teleprompter is being loaded up with empty words.

Emperor Obama might be just like all the other tin-horn dictators when they are told they have no clothes. Some make empty threats, some back down, and some do really stupid things. Who knows what could happen, and Russia is openly mocking him at this point.
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Re: Russia warns of turning USA into ashes

Postby boney fingers » Mon Mar 17, 2014 6:21 pm

Since the Libs all seem to be hiding or banned these days, Ill say it: ITS BUSH'S FAULT.

Damn, I feel like I just shaved a few points off my IQ.
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Re: Russia warns of turning USA into ashes

Postby go get the bird » Mon Mar 17, 2014 6:28 pm

I'd like to think that when we are all "ash", the fallout would drift across the ocean and screw up Europe, as well. Not only would he piss off what American were left, he'd probably poke Europe in an unfavorable way, too.

I would severely doubt he'd launch a nuke, but if he did, I'd bet there are our own missiles in the air within hours. Mutual destruction, wasn't that the Cold War in a nutshell?
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Re: Russia warns of turning USA into ashes

Postby assateague » Mon Mar 17, 2014 9:08 pm

They better hurry if they want to turn us into ashes, otherwise Obama's going to beat them to it.
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Re: Russia warns of turning USA into ashes

Postby Glimmerjim » Mon Mar 17, 2014 10:14 pm

boney fingers wrote:Since the Libs all seem to be hiding or banned these days, Ill say it: ITS BUSH'S FAULT.

Damn, I feel like I just shaved a few points off my IQ.

Not hiding or banned. Just bored with rhetoric by those who really know nothing but what they are indoctrinated to believe.
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Re: Russia warns of turning USA into ashes

Postby Glimmerjim » Mon Mar 17, 2014 10:16 pm

assateague wrote:They better hurry if they want to turn us into ashes, otherwise Obama's going to beat them to it.

You bet. Insidious, convulated, Machiavellian plan for the Manchurian Candidate to take over the US. :no:
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Re: Russia warns of turning USA into ashes

Postby beretta24 » Mon Mar 17, 2014 10:59 pm

buckmeister wrote:MOSCOW, March 16 (Reuters) - A Kremlin-backed journalist issued a stark warning to the United States about Moscow's nuclear capabilities on Sunday as the White House threatened sanctions over Crimea's referendum on union with Russia.


"Russia is the only country in the world that is realistically capable of turning the United States into radioactive ash," television presenter Dmitry Kiselyov said on his weekly current affairs show.


The above just shows what a dam America hating fool our president is for unilaterally deciding to reduce our nuclear arsenal. :no:

Who gives a flip what a Russian talking head said. If the rest of the world projected our national views based on Whoopi Goldberg or Piers we would've been invaded by now.
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Re: Russia warns of turning USA into ashes

Postby Indaswamp » Tue Mar 18, 2014 8:27 am

FWIW- sanctions against Russia will only push russia along with china towards unilateral currency deals outside of the dollar, further reducing the worlds need for dollars...
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Re: Russia warns of turning USA into ashes

Postby assateague » Tue Mar 18, 2014 11:17 am

Even their government officials deal with Obama like a chump. From the deputy Prime Minister's Twitter feed:


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Re: Russia warns of turning USA into ashes

Postby SpinnerMan » Tue Mar 18, 2014 11:23 am

dudejcb wrote:Nuclear material is a liability in and of itself. Obsolete nuclear weapons even more so. Getting rid of our old nuclear trash through secure storage, incineration/deconstruction makes it unavailable to ne'er do wells, reducing the number of headaches to deal with. At least that's how I view it.

We were NOT getting rid of our old obsolete nuclear weapons. I'm not even sure what that means. The bombs we dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were improvised nuclear explosive devices and not what the weapons designers would consider weapons, which are the things you can put on a missile, in an artillery round, etc. We took those out of service as they became obsolete just like any other weapon system. What we are talking about are fully functional weapons. They are NOT obsolete. This is BS. However, they are arguably excessive. How many nukes do you need? Image And anyone that has any inside knowledge of the rational reasoning for a given number is clearly not permitted to talk about it.

BTW, I'll bet Ukraine wishes that had not given up their nukes at the urging of the U.S. after the dissolution of the Soviet Union. I just don't know how we could possibly have any allies anywhere in the world at this point. We've stabbed nearly every one of them in the back.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Ukraine
Ukraine, the United States of America, Russia, and the United Kingdom signed the 1994 Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances, pledging to respect Ukraine territorial integrity, a pledge that was arguably broken by Russia's 2014 invasion of Crimea.

For all the people that think treaties and other pieces of paper are the path to security, look at what happened to Ukraine and look at the current threat they have to worry about.

If you truly want to prevent nuclear weapons from getting in the wrong hands, countries like Ukraine cannot fear what they currently fear. An agressive Russia and the U.S. looking unwilling to come to their aid leaving them all but helpless to Russia without nuclear weapons.

It's much like the saying "God created all men, but Sam Colt made them equal" and on a national level, nukes is what makes them equal. As Obama pushes hard to reduce the world nuclear arsenal, he is making the case for why it is good to have nukes as a weaker nation. If Iran goes nuke and Russia goes any further, we could easily see a nuclear arms race in the Middle East, the former Soviet Union, and Asia as a result of Obama presenting such a weak image to the world. If these countries cannot count on the U.S., they would almost be foolish to not create the means to protect themselves from a larger aggressor whether it is Russia, China, or Iran.

Who would feel safe if they were relying upon the U.S. to protect them? For those that want the U.S. to not defend any of these nations, do you want all of them to have nuclear weapons? What is the argument against it? Kuwait, Qatar, Saudia Arabia, Syria, Lebanon, ... Let 'em go nuke and hope for the best is a terribly short-sighted policy.

If you want to talk about getting rid of the excess weapons material, I can tell you all about it.

Enriched uranium is easy. The Russians have down blended many tons that have been used for commercial nuclear reactor fuel in the U.S. You can find the exact numbers easily on the web.

Plutonium should be just as easy if the government was not dysfunctional. We are building a plant that is wildly over budget at Savannah River Site in South Carolina to convert it to commercial nuclear reactor fuel. There are better uses for it. My preference would be to use it to produce the fuel for a next generation fast reactor to fully demonstrate the technology in the U.S. at commercial scale under commercial conditions. This is the path to getting over 100 times as much electricity from each ton of uranium mined while leaving no transuranic (plutonium and other similar things) to dispose beyond the small process loses during recycle.

Tritium is the easiest of all. Just let it decay. It has a half-life of 12 years. However, at present there is not an excess of tritium, but we are getting near the point where we do not have enough for the current level of weapons and we need to begin making more to replace the 5.5% that decays away every year. The tritium has to be cleaned up every so often and the weapon reconstituted. They have been doing that by getting the makeup tritium from excess weapons taken out of service. That finite supply has nearly run out as I understand it.
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Re: Russia warns of turning USA into ashes

Postby ScaupHunter » Tue Mar 18, 2014 12:23 pm

Glimmerjim wrote:
assateague wrote:They better hurry if they want to turn us into ashes, otherwise Obama's going to beat them to it.

You bet. Insidious, convulated, Machiavellian plan for the Manchurian Candidate to take over the US. :no:



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Re: Russia warns of turning USA into ashes

Postby SpinnerMan » Tue Mar 18, 2014 12:40 pm

Glimmerjim wrote:
assateague wrote:They better hurry if they want to turn us into ashes, otherwise Obama's going to beat them to it.

You bet. Insidious, convulated, Machiavellian plan for the Manchurian Candidate to take over the US. :no:

Detroit has been turned to figurative ashes. Was this an insidious, convulated, Machiavellian plan or just plain old incompetence combined with egomania?

Look at Venezuela. Again was this an insidious, convulated, Machiavellian plan or just plain old incompetence combined with egomania?

http://www.npr.org/blogs/parallels/2014/03/16/290516431/venezuela-in-turmoil-for-lack-of-flour-milk-and-diapers
Alvaro Villarueda starts his morning the same way every day — putting in a call to his friend who has a friend who works at a Caracas, Venezuela, supermarket.

Today, he's looking for sugar, and he's asking his friend if he knows if any shipments have arrived. As he talks on the phone, his wife Lisbeth Nello, is in the kitchen.

There are 10 mouths to feed every day in this family — five of them children. The two youngest are still in diapers.

"The things that are the scarcest are actually what we need the most," Nello says. "Flour, cooking oil, butter, milk, diapers. I spent last week hunting for diapers everywhere. The situation is really tough for basic goods."

This is a nation run by people that the radical American left think are awesome.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/05/jose-serrano-praises-hugo_n_2814976.html
Representative Jose Serrano praised Hugo Chavez Tuesday after the Venezuelan leader died from cancer at the age of 58. The Democratic congressman from New York tweeted:
Hugo Chavez was a leader that understood the needs of the poor. He was committed to empowering the powerless. R.I.P. Mr. President.


http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/11/actor-antonio-banderas-praises-marxist-hugo-chavez-calls-for-nationalizing-businesses/
Having stated the problem, Pastor asked Banderas for a solution. “You break it like Chavez did in his time,” he responds. “You say, ‘the topic is over. I’m taking all these corporations and nationalizing them.’”


http://www.inquisitr.com/434051/sean-penn-at-hugo-chavez-vigil-praises-ailing-leader/

At the Chavez vigil, Penn spoke highly of his friend and political ally, telling those in attendance that the President is an important force in world politics as well as a personal friend. Penn started:

“We admire President Chavez. For his courage. For his fair mindedness … He is one of the most important forces that we have on this planet. And I will wish him nothing but that great strength that he showed over and over again. I do it in love and I do it in gratitude.”


And what did Chavez do? He destroyed much of his country. And what do you think the same policies in the U.S. would do?
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Re: Russia warns of turning USA into ashes

Postby buckmeister » Tue Mar 18, 2014 5:41 pm

My engineer friend told me we scrapped a lot of launch capability, not just warheads.
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Re: Russia warns of turning USA into ashes

Postby SpinnerMan » Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:11 pm

Two updates from my post earlier.

One is essentially the Wall Street Journal making the same point that our failure to stand up for the Ukraine after we promised we would in exchange for them handing over the world's 3rd most powerful nuclear arsenal points out how foolish that decision was for Ukraine and how our assurances will not persuade others to forgo a nuclear deterrent in exchange for promises of U.S. protection.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304017604579447433598288634
The damage to world order from Vladimir Putin's invasion of Crimea will echo for years, but one of the biggest casualties deserves more attention: the cause of nuclear nonproliferation. One lesson to the world of Russia's cost-free carve-up of Ukraine is that nations that abandon their nuclear arsenals do so at their own peril.


Had Kiev kept its weapons rather than giving them up in return for parchment promises, would Vladimir Putin have been so quick to invade Crimea two weeks ago? It's impossible to know, but it's likely it would have at least given him more pause.

Ukraine's fate is likely to make the world's nuclear rogues, such as Iran and North Korea, even less likely to give up their nuclear facilities or weapons. As important, it is likely to make nonnuclear powers and even close U.S. allies wonder if they can still rely on America's security guarantees.

Japan and South Korea are sure to consider their nuclear options as China presses its own territorial claims. South Korean public opinion is already in favor of an independent nuclear deterrent. And several Middle East countries, notably Saudi Arabia, are already contemplating their nuclear options once Iran becomes a nuclear power. Ukraine's fate will only reinforce those who believe these countries can't trust American assurances.


On present trend Mr. Obama's legacy won't be new limits on the spread of nuclear weapons. Instead he'll be the President who presided over, and been a major cause of, a new era of global nuclear proliferation.

To underscore the point, next week Mr. Obama will travel to The Hague to preach the virtues of nonproliferation at his third global Nuclear Security Summit. Also expected: Vladimir Putin.



The other is in regards to disposition of our surplus weapons plutonium.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/19/us-usa-scarolina-nuclear-idUSBREA2I01Q20140319
Well Obama has failed again. Nonproliferation is supposedly one of his top priorities, so how do you let this project fail? See Obamacare for the answer. Incompetence. Granted this project was dysfunctional before he took over. He did inherit this from Bush, but how do you let it fail if it is a top priority?

The plant, called MOX for Mixed Oxide Fuel Fabrication Facility, was intended to turn leftover weapons-grade plutonium into commercial nuclear reactor fuel.

But in a budget request to Congress last week for the fiscal year 2015, the National Nuclear Security Administration proposed suspending the plant, citing cost overruns for the $30 billion project, which is about 60 percent complete.

I don't even have a freaking clue how you spend $30B building a facility to take weapons plutonium and manufacturing it into light-water reactor fuel. We are talking about 34 tons, which will make about 850 tons of reactor fuel. For some perspective, we use about 2,000 tons per year that costs around $5B. These may sounds like a lot, but a single coal plant of similar size to a single nuclear plant burns around THOUSANDS of tons PER DAY! To replace the nuclear power that uses 2,000 tons of nuclear fuel per year would require burning hundreds of millions of tons of coal per year. Also, nuclear fuel is very dense and coal is not, so this makes the relative volume even greater. The point other than trivia is that we are talking about a small amount of material as far as the commercial power industry is concerned and the cost is wildly beyond what the value of fuel produced.

Although given current world events I don't think South Carolina has the best argument.
South Carolina sued the U.S. Department of Energy on Tuesday over the federal government's plans to scrap a plutonium recycling plant that has been under construction for years in the state, arguing it violates a nuclear non-proliferation treaty with Russia.

Both the U.S. and Russia signed a treated to convert excess weapons Pu to reactor fuel and irradiate it. We have been bumbling along on this for quite some time now. The biggest problem is that we insanely over design these facilities to survive insane scenarios. Hey why not? That's just more taxpayer money funneled to the area. Of course, it means the projects eventually fail and instead of a cost effective solution to a real national need that leads to stable employment, we get a boom and bust cycle that does nothing but wastes vast amounts of wealth and creates real hardship for these communities that should be national assets. Of course, these cuts will at least be partially offset in Congress by some sort of pork barrel project, so the savings will not be nearly as large as they appear because there will surely be some form of payoff to the Senators and Congressmen from that area.

The U.S. government should NEVER build another facility. Every one of these facilities should be a firm fixed price contract that has 100% of the appropriations in place. If they would have issued a contract for $30B to build this facility, I'll bet it would have been built because a number of companies have the expertise to do it for far less. Of course, that would never happen because people would have scream about how it was a huge rip off since the private companies would be making huge profits at that price. Which would be true, but consider that the government failed to do it, so that would have been vastly cheaper and it would be operational today.
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Re: Russia warns of turning USA into ashes

Postby beretta24 » Wed Mar 19, 2014 3:05 pm

Every gov contract should be firm fixed, unless there's an allocated management reserve to account for cost overruns built into the gov side of the budget. Some items are too risky to a company to accept a FF contract that can pass an audit.

But often CP contracts are a tool for getting something built that couldn't be justified at the actual cost, and I think both sides understand this.

At least this was my experience on defense contracts.
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Re: Russia warns of turning USA into ashes

Postby SpinnerMan » Wed Mar 19, 2014 3:22 pm

beretta24 wrote:Every gov contract should be firm fixed, unless there's an allocated management reserve to account for cost overruns built into the gov side of the budget. Some items are too risky to a company to accept a FF contract that can pass an audit.

But often CP contracts are a tool for getting something built that couldn't be justified at the actual cost, and I think both sides understand this.

At least this was my experience on defense contracts.

I mean for the entire project with no design, licensing, or any of that under the control of the government once the contract is let.

What the government does is not contract for the service, but specifies the how, and then keeps changing what they want.

If you have a firm fixed price to build a house, and then decide to make major changes to the design of the house, the cost goes up even more than it would if it is in the middle of construction. Government does this over and over again. They just cannot stop meddling and every time the ask for something different in the middle $$$, but what do they care. They keep changing what they want which drives the price up and up and up and eventually they just decide to cancel and buy out the contract.
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Re: Russia warns of turning USA into ashes

Postby nitram » Thu Mar 20, 2014 4:29 pm

Most Americans who are dissatisfied with President Barack Obama's leadership are thinking about the poor economy and the misbegotten health care law. That disillusionment is justified – if not tardy. But the foreign policy failures of this administration are likely to be far more consequential, lasting and possibly catastrophic.

What we are seeing is the collapse of American influence in the world.

Permitting people like Obama, Hillary Clinton, Chuck Hagel and John Kerry to deal with the brutal realities of world politics is like putting Richard Simmons into the ring with Muhammad Ali.

On Sunday, reflecting an innocence that really ought to be prosecutable, Kerry announced that the U.S. would impose sanctions on Russia if it annexes Crimea and continues to threaten the rest of Ukraine. But, he hastened to add: “We hope President Putin will recognize that none of what we're saying is meant as a threat, it's not meant in a personal way … ”

Frankly, credible threats might restrain Vladimir Putin, but it's way too late for that. By threatening Syria on the use of chemical weapons and then collapsing like a cheap tent when Bashar Assad called Obama's bluff, the president turned himself into a paper tiger. Kerry's blatant groveling to Putin – his obvious fear of offending the little Moscow thug – is a new standard of cravenness.

In a hundred ways, this administration has been telegraphing, not just to Putin but to every would-be aggressor and opportunist in the world, that the United States is not to be feared, respected or considered. Because human nature has not changed in 10,000 years, the world's bad actors are throwing elbows. From China's aggressive moves in the South China Sea and increasing military budget, to Syria's dismissal of U.S. threats and stepped-up murder of tens of thousands, to al-Qaida's resurgence in Maghreb, Iraq, and Afghanistan, to Russia's insouciant acquisition of Crimea and perhaps more, the world is becoming more dangerous. Most ominously, the administration continues to indulge the greatest sham of our time – the fiction that we are engaged in negotiations to prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons.

Nor were matters better in hand when Clinton was in charge at State. She shared Obama's belief that American influence is malign. When hundreds of thousands of Iranians attempted to unseat the illegitimate regime in Tehran, Obama refused to offer even rhetorical support. Instead, he said, “I've made it clear that the United States respects the sovereignty of the Islamic Republic of Iran, and is not interfering with Iran's affairs.” Clinton later explained that this was not an oversight but arose from the conviction that the U.S. would taint the Iranian Green Movement if it expressed support. “We kept being cautioned that we would put people's lives in danger; we would discredit the movement.”

Yet when similar-sized crowds assembled to unseat an American ally, Hosni Mubarak, Obama and Clinton didn't show the same hesitation to support the protesters. The Obama administration tacitly supported the mullahs in Iran when they were in danger and explicitly opposed Mubarak when he was.

Obama's apologists remind us that Putin made aggressive moves against two provinces in Georgia while George W. Bush was president. That's true, but Obama made his conciliatory gestures toward Putin – the infamous reset – after that. It's as if nothing that happened before Obama's election mattered. Like the French revolutionaries, his ascent to power was Year One.

This administration is drastically cutting the defense budget and gorging on negotiations – with Iran, with Syria (with Russia as handmaiden), between Israel and the Palestinians, with Russia and with North Korea. What have they to show for it? Syria's mass-murdering leader is safer than ever and has failed to turn over more than a small fraction of his chemical weapons. He has missed the deadlines we imposed; with the result that Jay Carney has expressed severe disappointment. After years of meetings, the Palestinians have refused even to recognize Israel as a legitimate Jewish state. Kerry's response has been to tell Israel to stop asking for that. Sergey Lavrov dismissed Kerry's pleas to withdraw from Crimea. Kerry warned of “very serious consequences.” No record of whether Lavrov smiled.

Nothing seems to penetrate Obama's ideological lead helmet. Israel captures a huge cache of Iranian weapons headed for Gaza, and the administration denies that this undermines the notion that Iran is negotiating in good faith. “It's entirely appropriate to continue to pursue the possibility of reaching a resolution on the nuclear program,” the spokesman insists.

There is one Obama accomplishment that cannot be denied – supplanting Jimmy Carter as the worst foreign policy leader of our time.
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Re: Russia warns of turning USA into ashes

Postby dudejcb » Thu Mar 20, 2014 8:53 pm

I know the world's esteem for the US skyrocketed under Bush. It was a regular love affair back in the good old days and then ... then ... then Obama got elected, and then something happened, and ... and ... and then Obama made a mess of everything. And the sky is falling and it's all his fault.

Check it out. Only used seventy one words to say the same thing. :welcome:
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Re: Russia warns of turning USA into ashes

Postby wanapasaki » Thu Mar 20, 2014 9:45 pm

Whoever fires first, doesn't matter, WORLD would be TKO. Would never happen.. Not even a possibility
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