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Re: Russia warns of turning USA into ashes

Postby SpinnerMan » Fri Mar 21, 2014 6:25 am

dudejcb wrote:I know the world's esteem for the US skyrocketed under Bush. It was a regular love affair back in the good old days and then ... then ... then Obama got elected, and then something happened, and ... and ... and then Obama made a mess of everything. And the sky is falling and it's all his fault.

Check it out. Only used seventy one words to say the same thing. :welcome:

Oh yes, the beloved false choice.

The enemies FEARED Bush. It's not about a love fest. Never has been never will be.

Remember the Iran hostage situation. I know the libs like to pretend like it was some conspiracy, but the reality is that Iran had no fear of Carter, but Reagan scared them.

Look at Bush an the Libyan WMD program. They gave it up without a fight. Why?

The other part is that he is believable and doesn't make empty threats. Does anybody believe Obama at this point.

Walk softly and carry a big stick really is a good analogy for what we should aspire to. Obama has the walk softly part down, but nobody believes he will use the big stick to do anything but squash bugs that cannot fight back.

Look at Bush. Everybody knew he would use the big stick, but when it came to the axis of evil, he only used it against Iraq. North Korea, he pushed China to join in pressuring North Korea and Iran had the U.S. on two borders after having easily run over "tough" nations one which the Soviets had failed. Then comes the Green Revolution and does Obama do like he did in Libya and Egypt. Nope he let's the mad Mullah's squash the revolution. North Korea, China, Russia, ... are all now acting with more aggression because they have no fear of the U.S.'s big stick.

Since Obama has put down the big stick, that means walking softly will never work. So now he is trying to walk loudly with Russia just makes him look like a clown. Eventually Obama's ego will get hurt to bad and he may well react to prove his manhood and get us into a war or some other country will underestimate our country and go too far and the nation will demand that we respond and Obama will be forced to respond.

Under Bush, nothing was peachy, but we were able to far better direct events and control things. Now we are a back seat driver sniping at the world. This is bad for the world and that will end up badly for Americans and America.

Granted you said nothing in 70 words, except helping deflect from what you don't want to be true. You have to defend Obama because you have to defend your failing views as they play out in reality. If these failed socialist Utopian ideas keep getting worse, DO NOT DRINK THE KOOLAID!
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Re: Russia warns of turning USA into ashes

Postby nitram » Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:00 pm

dudejcb wrote:I know the world's esteem for the US skyrocketed under Bush. It was a regular love affair back in the good old days and then ... then ... then Obama got elected, and then something happened, and ... and ... and then Obama made a mess of everything. And the sky is falling and it's all his fault.

Check it out. Only used seventy one words to say the same thing. :welcome:


Never was a big fan of "Cliff's Notes".......



With Putin behaving like a modern Catherine the Great in his efforts to annex Crimea and possibly all of Ukraine, what is our policy toward Russia, which is behaving increasingly like its former, supposedly dead, communist self?

In a New York Times op-ed column last week, Arizona Republican Senator John McCain wrote: “…Crimea has exposed the disturbing lack of realism that has characterized our foreign policy under President Obama. … For five years, Americans have been told that 'the tide of war is receding,' that we can pull back from the world at little cost to our interests and values. This has fed a perception that the United States is weak, and to people like Mr. Putin, weakness is provocative.”

Secretary of State John Kerry warns of a “strong response” by the United States and severe economic sanctions against Russia if Putin proceeds as he has threatened in Ukraine. Whose threats are more credible? President Obama has retreated on everything from Iraq and Afghanistan, to Iran's nuclear program and his “red line,” which Syria crossed and paid no price when it used chemical weapons against its own people. He has even retreated on domestic policy issues, most glaringly on the individual mandate in the misnamed Affordable Care Act.

Not only does the “emperor” have no clothes, he appears to the world as having no backbone and no guts. It's not just a question of military power. It is about formulating, articulating and implementing a consistent foreign policy that is credible and produces results in support of U.S. interests.

Somewhere between Ron Paul's isolationism and neo-con interventionism is what the U.S. should be modeling to the world. Somewhere between John F. Kennedy's noble, but impractical ideal of “pay any price, bear any burden” in the defense of liberty and George McGovern's “come home America,” is a foreign policy we should pursue. It's up to the president to articulate that policy and then make it credible by consistently acting on it. John Kennedy also noted, “Domestic policy can only defeat us; foreign policy can kill us.”

Former U.N. Ambassador John Bolton spoke last week at the 2014 Conservative Political Action Conference. He said, “Our biggest national security crisis is Barack Obama.” Bolton suggested the president allowed the murderers of America's ambassador to Libya, Christopher Stevens, and three others to “get away scot free” after he had repeatedly promised they would be brought to justice.

Tyrants, terrorists and dictators watch an indecisive president and take note. Action matters far more than words.

President Obama, perhaps our most self-absorbed chief executive, has said: “I would put our legislative and foreign policy accomplishments in our first two years against any president – with the possible exception of (Lyndon) Johnson, FDR, and Lincoln – just in terms of what we've gotten done in modern history.”

Leaving aside his hubris and a debate over whether retreat from the world and pressuring Israel to give up more land to its enemies are accomplishments, what should be concluded from such a ridiculous statement about America's foreign policy?

Former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger has observed: “No foreign policy – no matter how ingenious – has any chance of success if it is born in the minds of a few and carried in the hearts of none.”
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Re: Russia warns of turning USA into ashes

Postby SpinnerMan » Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:44 pm

The other part that Obama lacks is being in touch with reality and the ability to foresee possible outcomes with any credibility.

This is what I said about Ukraine in 2008 before Obama was even elected President.

http://www.duckhuntingchat.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=67697&p=508493

Time to add the Ukraine to NATO. Looks like we will have to stand firm against the reexpansion of the former Soviet Union. Let's hope Putin gets some radioactive poison in his wheaties.

The cold war is back on. How much of Europe and Asia are we going to give to the Russians?


And I wasn't saying anything that wasn't obvious to pretty much everybody but those that think like Obama that want to believe the world is as they wish it were and not as it is. This is why they are wrong so often about things that are so obvious.
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Re: Russia warns of turning USA into ashes

Postby DuckinFool » Fri Mar 21, 2014 6:10 pm

Will it be a big deal when the Russian navy starts showing up in Cuba?
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Re: Russia warns of turning USA into ashes

Postby nitram » Fri Mar 21, 2014 8:18 pm

DuckinFool wrote:Will it be a big deal when the Russian navy starts showing up in Cuba?



With the amateur, capricious approach to foreign policy these days, don't be surprised....The current events in Venezuela, Nicaragua and the current administration's push to reestablish trade relations with Cuba, you can count on it.
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2013/11/1 ... ttop_email


"Away from the conflict in Ukraine, Russian President Vladimir Putin is quietly seeking a foothold in Latin America, military officials warn. To the alarm of lawmakers and Pentagon officials, Putin has begun sending navy ships and long-range bombers to the region for the first time in years. Russia's defense minister says the country is planning bases in Cuba, Venezuela, and Nicaragua, and just last week, Putin's national security team met to discuss increasing military ties in the region.

"'They're on the march,' Sen. Joe Donnelly (D-IN) said at a Senate hearing earlier this month. 'They're working the scenes where we can't work. And they're doing a pretty good job.' Gen. James Kelly, commander of US Southern Command said there has been a 'noticeable uptick in Russian power projection and security force personnel' in Latin America." It's not a secret what Putin's doing. Nicaragua's a former client state.

Venezuela is wide open, with a massive student revolution taking place, 57% unemployment. There is nonexistent economy. It's made to order, and it's in the top 10 oil producing nations. It is one of the top 10 oil-producing nations in the world. It's just sitting there. Now, in the old days, when the United States mattered, when we had adults -- and I'm not exaggerating -- we would have CIA agents and others in there

We would be attempting to forge an allied relationship with the malcontents in Venezuela, and the same thing in Cuba. But now we're living under a Regime that's just said the Monroe Doctrine no longer applies, which means anybody from any part of the world could come into our hemisphere and take whatever they want. We're not gonna really do anything to stop 'em.

Putin's on the march.
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Re: Russia warns of turning USA into ashes

Postby shoveler_shooter » Fri Mar 21, 2014 8:42 pm

nitram wrote:Permitting people like Obama, Hillary Clinton, Chuck Hagel and John Kerry to deal with the brutal realities of world politics is like putting Richard Simmons into the ring with Muhammad Ali.

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Re: Russia warns of turning USA into ashes

Postby SpinnerMan » Sat Mar 22, 2014 7:03 am

I wonder if Michelle is still proud of America. I don't know how anybody could be proud at this point. Socially, economically, politically, constitutionally, internationally, tell me anything that we are doing right now that should evoke pride?
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Re: Russia warns of turning USA into ashes

Postby StevenL » Sat Mar 22, 2014 6:06 pm

Long before the Ukraine President was ousted for his wanting to go with Russia, US and European operatives were busy stirring the crap in a business interest that did not and still doesn't have anything to do with US national security interests. The European Union thought it would be cutting a fat hog if it could bring Ukraine principles to the bargaining table. The gambit failed. Russia has a better economy than the entire EU combined and Russia is going to control the flow of natural gas just as easily as the flow of other Ukraine commodities bound for Europe. The US has been holding hands with poor little Europe since the second world war. Europe is fully capable of survival or failure on its own and they sure don't need help from the US doing either one of the two.
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Re: Russia warns of turning USA into ashes

Postby beretta24 » Sat Mar 22, 2014 7:38 pm

SpinnerMan wrote:I wonder if Michelle is still proud of America. I don't know how anybody could be proud at this point. Socially, economically, politically, constitutionally, internationally, tell me anything that we are doing right now that should evoke pride?

That only applies if she shares your values...I get the feeling they don't.
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Re: Russia warns of turning USA into ashes

Postby Dingbatter 2 » Sun Mar 23, 2014 5:21 pm

[quote="buckmeister"]MOSCOW, March 16 (Reuters) - A Kremlin-backed journalist issued a stark warning to the United States about Moscow's nuclear capabilities on Sunday as the White House threatened sanctions over Crimea's referendum on union with Russia.


"Russia is the only country in the world that is realistically capable of turning the United States into radioactive ash," television presenter Dmitry Kiselyov said on his weekly current affairs show".



Good old fashioned saber rattling. :thumbsup: Even though it may not mean much, it does convey a message to the weaker side about what they may or may not do in deciding future actions and behaviors. Sort of like the big school yard bully formulating rumors that he is going to kick your butt. Whether he does or not, the fear factor stays with you. :hammer:
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Re: Russia warns of turning USA into ashes

Postby nitram » Thu Mar 27, 2014 12:27 pm

Author Daniel Greenfield: “War is what Obama does best. The War on Women. War on Poverty. Class War. Race War. … Every time a battle is won and an election ends, a new source of social conflict is dug up and deployed for war. … Internationally, it's the KGB agent, not the community organizer, who profits from conflict. Putin plays Obama's role in the world community, dividing and conquering, doing to America internationally what Obama does to it domestically. … Obama would like Putin to go away so that he can focus on demonizing the domestic political opposition. Putin would like his domestic political opposition to go away so that he can focus on demonizing America. It's the same old game by two reds with law degrees on different political battlegrounds. Obama thinks globally and acts locally. Putin thinks locally and acts globally. … For Obama and Putin, it's not really about Crimea or birth control; it's about power.”
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Re: Russia warns of turning USA into ashes

Postby nitram » Wed Apr 16, 2014 9:24 pm

Political commentator George Will slammed the Obama administration over their handling of Russian president Vladimir Putin and the evolving situation in Ukraine. Barack Obama's foreign policy, Will explains, is best depicted in the comedy Monty Python. Via Fox News: “This [Russia] crisis began with Secretary of State Kerry saying nothing we are saying should be seen as a threat to Putin. Well, if you're not threatening a bad guy who's doing bad things, what are you doing? Today, or maybe it was yesterday, one loses track, Mr. Carney said we are actively evaluating. That's distinct from passively evaluating. Now, the meals ready to eat that we sent, we were careful not to send in military planes because we thought that would be provocative. They were sent in commercial trucks. Some presidents take their foreign policy from the idealism of Woodrow Wilson, some from the realism of Henry Kissinger. This is foreign policy from Monty Python.”
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