Slack Tide wrote: SpinnerMan wrote:
ScaupHunter wrote:They get room, board, and their education paid for. Just exactly what more does a college student need to live? Answer is nothing. Toss in being taken all over the country to play ball, free exposure to scouts, etc.... They get paid plenty already. If they want more money, mommy and daddy can foot the bill, or get a job.
They need to eat when they are away from campus. They need clothing. Not sure how books work, but I suspect they pay for them themselves. They need other school supplies. Transportation too and from campus during breaks. Any decent athlete will never have to pay for beer, so that's something they don't have that I did. There are not a lot of other expenses, but they are not negligible either, particular if you come from a family that has nothing. I'm sure you could hit your mommy and daddy up, but not everybody can do that and that seems more common than average among scholarship athletes. I'm quite sure there is a correlation of priorities there.
But these are expenses that ALL kids in college have, and they have even less money left over because they are paying tuition on top of all the incidentals...
You get the meal plan in the cafeteria....you drink at bars that have deals....$5 at the door and drink all day...etc...you hit cheap happy hours with free food and wear the close you bought at the end of the summer after you mowed lawns and waited tables....
That was what I was taking issue with. This is what I said already.
SpinnerMan wrote:Most college students take a job if they need cash. This is much more difficult if you are a serious athlete. Obviously, it is not necessary as people have managed.
However, there are a lot of communities where unemployment is very high and there is not a lot to be made mowing lawns, if there are any, and waiting tables is not a big source of labor.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying whoa are those that get these huge scholarships. Far from it. What I am saying, or more accurately raising the question, is that it does not cover 100% of their costs. A large fraction, but there is a sizable piece left. Travel expenses can be quite substantial depending on where the kid goes to school. There are significant expenses when they are on the road, the coach can't pay for a single meal as I understand it. There are expenses during break when the campus is closed. I would have been very unhappy if I would have had to live on what they have covered. I was fortunate to get a very high paying job for a college student during the summer and then after my sophomore year I took a co-op job and worked every other semester making good money in the process. I also got a decent amount of support from my mom's unmarried sisters who had good jobs. I know do the same for their children to help them out a bit. But many do not have this support structure. Supporting them beyond how they do doesn't seem unreasonable. Most scholarship athletes cannot and will never make money off of their skills. This is the end of the line for them in sports and they no it.
A university investing the huge resources they invest in these athletes, a small
stipend for some student, it could even be need based if you want. It's just silly for the university to be able to invest maybe as much as $100k per year in the case of an elite university with high tuition, room and board, and all the cost of the training staff and equipment invested, and not be able to give them even $2k in financial support.
TomKat wrote:Money ruins everything it touches.
Good thing you have never touched money.
TomKat wrote:Why should we have sports in college at all?
Why not? I say the good old free market works just fine. Some will and some will not.
The problem is all the BS regulations and government involvement that screw everything up.
Rat Creek wrote:
People should stop looking at scholarship recipients as victims, but then again, everyone is a victim in the current political environment.
I don't see anyone looking at them a s victims. Not a bad strawman, though.
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