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How High Frequency Traders Screw the little guy...

Postby Indaswamp » Sun Mar 30, 2014 8:36 pm

Pay attention, Micheal Lewis spells it out very simply:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/michael-lewis-explains-his-new-book-flash-boys

also click the "How Investors are getting screwed" video for the full segment....
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Postby Indaswamp » Sun Mar 30, 2014 8:42 pm

Google Nanex and the proof they have. The tail of the tape says it all.....and they have it well documented.
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Postby Indaswamp » Sun Mar 30, 2014 8:51 pm

Definitely Watch the second video! I learned about all this years ago, but someone finally connected the dots and went public with it. There is a reason why JP Morgan and most all the other big banks NEVER have a loosing day on the Stock market....
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Postby Indaswamp » Sun Mar 30, 2014 10:21 pm

one of the videos is just over 14 minutes long... watch that one.
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Postby Indaswamp » Sun Mar 30, 2014 10:26 pm

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Re: How High Frequency Traders Screw the little guy...

Postby Indaswamp » Mon Mar 31, 2014 11:13 am

LOL! The Market Is Rigged (HFT)


I spat my coffee this morning....

Eric over at Nanex has been on this for a number of years. I've been on it too. And now there's a new book and suddenly CNBC is talking about it to all three of their actual viewers.

At the end of the day the problem is that providing someone a way to cut in line is against the law.

But that doesn't bother the so-called "regulators" just like nothing else does, provided you make them enough money for them to look the other way. The price of that willful blindness can be shockingly cheap; in general the revolving door between Wall Street and Washington DC turns both fast and profitably for both cities.

Everyone wants to wring their hands on this but the simple fact of the matter is that the exchanges, which are regulated entities, actually pay for so-called "quote traffic" under certain circumstances and they have set up structures that encourage this sort of behavior.

The defenders of this behavior claim they're providing a "benefit" to investors usually related to alleged "liquidity." But as I pointed out years ago if you and I trade 100 shares of a stock back and forth 1,000 times there is the appearance of 100,000 shares of liquidity in that name but in fact there is only 100 shares of liquidity present. If some third party comes in and tries to buy or sell more than 100 shares this will become immediately apparent, because neither of us is willing to transact in more than that number at any given point in time!

I said this back in 2010, nearly four years ago:

Two ways:

Force all orders to be valid for one second. That is, once you place an order, you cannot cancel or modify it for one second. It must remain "exposed" for at least that period of time, during which it may be executed against. This makes placing tens or hundreds of orders in the book beyond what you truly wish to transact extremely dangerous, in that a sudden price move can leave you owning (or short) all of those shares you represented as "available" to buy or sell.

Impose a exponentially-increasing cancellation fee as the number of cancels rises against the number of executions for a given market participant in a reasonably short period of time (e.g. 10 minutes.) Permit one or two cancels per filled order for a given number of shares in an issue over a reasonably-short period of time without penalty. From that point forward impose a fee that begins at 1/100th of value of the order and doubles for each successive cancel without an execution, up to the entire value of the order. This makes the tactic of placing 10, 20 or 30 orders for each one you intend to execute extraordinarily unprofitable and stops that practice immediately.


I have since changed my mind slightly -- the first bullet's interval should be two seconds instead of one, and I've added a third point. Why? Because any order you place into the market should be able to be executed against by any human making a manual decision, which means that the quote should have to be valid until either it executes or all humans can physically see it with their eyes, react to it, and get a message back to the exchange with instructions for execution. Human reaction time is about 1/2 second and since people do trade from anywhere on the planet you must have two round-trip message times around the planet accounted for (once to see the quote, once to react to it and receive confirmation that your order was accepted.) Two seconds accounts for all of this; one might not.

Second, all orders you have out must be able to be executed. This means you must have the margin capacity to clear every quote you have open. If I wish to have open 10,000 shares worth of a $10 stock I must have $100,000 worth of buying power in confirmed and available margin capacity and during the time those orders are pending. If this is not in cash then I am functionally borrowing the funds during that time (and that is never free.)

More than eight out of ten "trades" currently executed are nothing more than gaming the system. There's no social benefit to this, and the idea that there is no "harm" to others that comes from it is fanciful. Nothing ever benefits someone without there being a concurrent cost somewhere. That the cost is diffuse and a tiny fraction of a cent per person who actually trades whether it's you in your 401k or some Wall Street bank is immaterial to the fact that someone's paying for these distortions.

Finally, there is simply the law to consider. The Securities and Exchange Act makes unlawful "market manipulation" and Reg-NMS mandates that the consolidated quote be the actual best and time-sync'd feed of quotations. Selling a higher-speed feed is arguably a direct violation of the law.

None of this is difficult to figure out, but in a world where legislators pass laws that legalize bribery in various forms by calling it "campaign contributions" and people walk between writing laws and allegedly living under them via the revolving door between Wall Street and Washington should we really be surprised that chief among these people's goals and accomplishments are ways to exempt themselves from behavior that would, for anyone else, land them in the slammer?


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Re: How High Frequency Traders Screw the little guy...

Postby Indaswamp » Mon Mar 31, 2014 11:20 am

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-31/market-rigged-michael-lewis-explains-how-hfts-screw-investors-every-day

It was almost excatly five years ago to the day, on April 10, 2009, that Zero Hedge - widely mocked at the time by "experts" - began its crusade against HFT and the perils of algorithmic trading (which of course were validated a year later with the Flash Crash). In the interim period we wrote hundreds if not thousands of articles discussing and explaining the pernicious, parasitic and destabilizing role HFT plays in modern market topology, and how with every passing day, markets are becoming increasingly more brittle, illiquid and, in one word, broken. Or, as Michael Lewis put it most succinctly, "rigged." With Lewis' appearance last night on 60 Minutes to promote his book Flash Boys, and to finally expose the HFT scourge for all to see, we consider our crusade against HFT finished. At this point it is up to the general population to decide if this season's participants on Dancing with the Stars or the fate of Honet Boo Boo is more important than having fair and unrigged markets (obviously, we know the answer).


click the link for supporting links within the article....
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Postby Indaswamp » Mon Mar 31, 2014 6:04 pm

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Re: How High Frequency Traders Screw the little guy...

Postby Indaswamp » Mon Mar 31, 2014 10:06 pm

The stock market really was rigged... “It’s 2009,” Katsuyama says. “This had been happening to me for almost two years. There’s no way I’m the first guy to have figured this out. So what happened to everyone else?” The question seemed to answer itself: Anyone who understood the problem was making money off it...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-31/read-michael-lewis-flash-boys-wall-street-revolt-adapatation


And Rick Santelli is Spot On:
"I'm sorry but if a large group of people can take that one cent all day long, day-in and day-out, then there's a problem."
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Re: How High Frequency Traders Screw the little guy...

Postby Indaswamp » Tue Apr 01, 2014 10:49 pm

This is a must watch/read...watch as Katsuyama blasts the BATS exchange CEO with the truth! :lol3: :lol3: Score one for honest markets.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-01/bats-ceo-shame-you-letting-everyone-it
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Postby Indaswamp » Wed Apr 02, 2014 11:55 am

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Postby cartervj » Wed Apr 02, 2014 12:41 pm

I watched some governmental report the other day that said those high frequency trades were not a problem for the average guys. When the fellow tried to rationalize it, he even lost himself. Might have been on CNBC, can't recall exactly where but it was comical.
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Re: How High Frequency Traders Screw the little guy...

Postby Indaswamp » Wed Apr 02, 2014 1:27 pm

cartervj wrote:I watched some governmental report the other day that said those high frequency trades were not a problem for the average guys. When the fellow tried to rationalize it, he even lost himself. Might have been on CNBC, can't recall exactly where but it was comical.

is this what you are referring to?
http://www.duckhuntingchat.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=101&t=461586#p4588538

CEO of the BATS exchange (created and funded by the HFT's) and the CEO of the new IEX exchange (that has taken away the ability of HFT's to scalp trades.)
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Re: How High Frequency Traders Screw the little guy...

Postby Indaswamp » Thu Apr 03, 2014 10:55 am

from Charles Schwab:
High-frequency trading isn’t providing more efficient, liquid markets; it is a technological arms race designed to pick the pockets of legitimate market participants. That flies in the face of our markets’ founding principles. Historically, regulation has sought to protect investors by giving their orders priority over professional orders. In racing to accommodate and attract high-frequency trading business to their markets, the exchanges have turned this principle on its head. Through special order types, enhanced data feeds and co-location, professionals are given special access and entitlements to jump ahead of investor orders. Last year, more than 95 percent of high-frequency trader orders were cancelled, suggesting something else besides trading is at the heart of the strategy. Some high-frequency traders have claimed to be profitable on over 99 percent of their trading days. Our understanding of statistics tells us this isn’t possible without some built in advantage. Instead of leveling the playing field, the exchanges have tilted it against investors.


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-03/hft-growing-cancer-says-mom-and-pops-favorite-retail-broker-charles-schwab

VERY GOOD read!
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Postby Indaswamp » Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:54 pm

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Re: How High Frequency Traders Screw the little guy...

Postby Indaswamp » Fri Apr 04, 2014 11:19 am

DOJ examining if HFT breaches insider trading laws

All of which reminds me of the following quote from a defeated Herbert Hoover as he left office in 1934, 5 years after the financial crash of 1929 had brought the country to its knees. From 1929 to 1934 the bankers continued largely unscathed by prosecution or reform. It was not until the Pecora Commission brought industry practices to the attention of mainstream America that the politicians were shamed into effecting meaningful reforms that finally broke up the conflicts of interest which had formed the lucrative life blood of the banking cartel. Yes we can do it again.

“The Federal Reserve and I have tried everything on behalf of the bankers but they have fought us, haven’t tried to cooperate, haven’t even told us the truth. They are without ability and without character.” – Departing US President Herbert Hoover, March 1933 (1874–1964)
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