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Escalation in Eastern Europe-US Boots on the Ground

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Re: Escalation in Eastern Europe-US Boots on the Ground

Postby Andy W » Wed Apr 23, 2014 5:20 am

I don't see this turning out well.
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Re: Escalation in Eastern Europe-US Boots on the Ground

Postby beretta24 » Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:25 am

In the grand scheme of things this is a non event. No one will view it as a response to Russia. They have tens of thousands at the Ukraine border and we moved a couple hundred. Meh
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Re: Escalation in Eastern Europe-US Boots on the Ground

Postby SpinnerMan » Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:05 am

beretta24 wrote:In the grand scheme of things this is a non event. No one will view it as a response to Russia. They have tens of thousands at the Ukraine border and we moved a couple hundred. Meh

Exactly.

It's not like we don't have on the order of 100,000 troops in Europe already either.

Now, if they were deploying this small group to Ukraine and having exercises on the Russian border, it would be something. Sending them to Poland looks like a weak President forced to make a move, but too scared to make a real move. It seems provocative, but not because of its excessive show of force as they did in Nevada, but because of its timidity.

BTW, I think we should not be sending a small force to train in our NATO allies in Eastern Europe as response. We should have been doing that all along. We need to be sending anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons to the Ukraine. Maybe we can simply redirect the arms we are sending to the Syrian rebels.

Obama so far has retreated from Iraq, he's trying to complete retreat from Afghanistan, he retreated from Nevada, and Putin knows he will retreat from wherever Putin needs him to retreat from.

That's why we need to send American arms and not Americans. They cannot be ordered to retreat.

I do worry that at some point Obama is going to over react to "prove" he is not weak after presenting that image. Will it be on American soil or will it be overseas? That is how this kind of show of weakness ends up in a true mess. Let's hope he finds some more drone targets so he can beat his chest and his defenders can say, see he's a tough guy. I really worry his big ego and thin skin could get us in a terrible mess with Russia, China, or here in the U.S.
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Re: Escalation in Eastern Europe-US Boots on the Ground

Postby ScaupHunter » Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:05 am

This is a very normal practice within the Army and Marines. They hold exchange training constantly. A few hundred soldiers here, a few hundred there. An exercise here and exercise there. It is all in the ideal of building raport and interoperability between other countries military groups and our own.

This is a non-issue.
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Re: Escalation in Eastern Europe-US Boots on the Ground

Postby SpinnerMan » Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:38 am

ScaupHunter wrote:This is a very normal practice withing the Army and Marines. They hold exchange training constantly. A few hundred soldiers here, a few hundred there. An exercise here and exercise there. It is all in the ideal of building raport and ineroperability between other countries military and our own.

This is a non-issue.

The reason it is an issue is how it is being interpreted or most likely misinterpreted. If it is supposed to be some sort of response, it is a joke. If it is not, then the administration needs to get the message out that it is not. My guess and that is all that it is, the administration is trying to have it both ways. Let people assume it is, but be able to argue just this. Whatever it is, right now it looks very weak and appearance does matter very much in these kind of things. It sends a signal, even if that is not at all the intent. Unintentionally sending the wrong signal can have serious consequences. Exactly like the signal they sent in Nevada. What happens when they do not back down next time? The administration simply does not take these things serious enough despite it being the full time job of experts within the administration which I suspect do not exist. I suspect politics and pull determine "expertise" and not life long experience and demonstrated success.
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Re: Escalation in Eastern Europe-US Boots on the Ground

Postby Rat Creek » Wed Apr 23, 2014 10:43 am

SpinnerMan wrote: I really worry his big ego and thin skin could get us in a terrible mess with Russia, China, or here in the U.S.


Exactly. BHO exudes weakness in his every fiber. He may as well hire Justin Bieber as his secretary of state to make threats of tweeting really mean things. Maybe even become a cyber-bully. That will show them. :no:

We can only pray that we get through the next few years of this weak excuse for a leader without his precious little ego getting us in deep trouble.
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Re: Escalation in Eastern Europe-US Boots on the Ground

Postby ScaupHunter » Wed Apr 23, 2014 11:13 am

Think about how our history has worked. We get a really weak leader the world runs amok, and we end up in a war when the strong leader comes in after them. Clinton is a great example. You can't blame Bush for 9/11 you have to look at where the weakness was shown and how much planning occurred to lead to the attacks. Now look at how much weaker and worse of a leader Obama has been. Another war is coming, and most likely not in the to far off future. We can all thank our present fearful leader for that when it happens.
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Re: Escalation in Eastern Europe-US Boots on the Ground

Postby SpinnerMan » Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:23 pm

Obama is going to deliver us peace in our time, a world without nukes, a completely static climate, end income inequality so there are no multimillionaires like him while there are still teenagers working for a few bucks an hour if they are lucky, and on top of all of that you will even be able to keep your doctors and health insurance plans if you would like.

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Re: Escalation in Eastern Europe-US Boots on the Ground

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Re: Escalation in Eastern Europe-US Boots on the Ground

Postby Rat Creek » Wed Apr 23, 2014 4:47 pm

When you simply consider it is Obama dealing with Putin, little more need be said. One is considered a leader though a rotten SOB and the other just a weak and pathetic SOB.

Come on BHO, put on those mommy jeans, get on that girl bike, throw out the first pitch with your little noodle arm, read that teleprompter and let the world hear you roar. Oh never mind. :oops:
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