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Democratic hypocrisy

Postby cartervj » Wed Apr 30, 2014 7:29 pm

http://www.tpnn.com/2014/04/22/democrat-harry-reid-admits-the-real-reason-he-viciously-attacks-the-koch-brothers/

Democrat Harry Reid Admits the Real Reason He Viciously Attacks the Koch Brothers

April 22, 2014 By Matthew Burke


Throwing patriotic, freedom-loving citizens under the bus for political gain is sport for Democrat Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, and he proudly admits it.

Reid, who has earned the nickname “Harry Greed” in social media as of late, has even gone to the extreme to attack the libertarian businessmen Koch Brothers on the Senate floor, while devoting a portion of his official Senate website to attacking them.

But guess what? All that “outrage” shown by Reid, as he vilified the Kochs as “anti-American,” is all for show and dough.

In an extensive recent interview with the Las Vegas Review-Journal, Reid admitted that he was setting up the Koch Brothers as his evil strawmen in order to dupe naive Democrat donors into contributing money. Apparently, having a boogeyman, even an imaginary one, riles up Democrats enough to loosen their collective wallets.

When charged by the Las Vegas Review-Journal with the accusation that Reid’s Koch obsession was anything but pure, Reid twice gave a shocking and unbelievable one word answer: “So?”
But a New York Times story published last month about the strategy puts a decidedly different spin on it. “Democrats say the strategy of spotlighting the Koch brothers’ activities is politically shrewd,” the story says. “The majority leader [Reid] was particularly struck by a presentation during a recent Senate Democratic retreat, which emphasized that one of the best ways to draw an effective contrast is to pick a villain, one of his aides said. And by scolding the Koch brothers, Mr. Reid is trying to draw them out, both to raise their public profile, and also to help rally the Democratic base. The approach stems, in part, from Democratic-funded research showing that many voters believe the political system is rigged in favor of the super rich.”
After I read that passage, Reid replied simply, “So?”
I pressed: “This is a political strategy, isn’t it, as well as a fundraising strategy? The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee has been raising money like gangbusters after you’ve been talking about the Koch brothers and as you said, you’ve given America the villain that they need to identify with as you struggle with your Democrats to overcome the objections to Obamacare and try to remain the majority.”
Again, Reid’s reply: “So?”
The Koch Brothers, and their reputation are considered nothing more than collateral damage by the vicious, ruthless and power-hungry Reid, who has his own set of billionaire brothers who line his pockets.

Meanwhile, Reid’s strategy has appeared to damage his reputation as well. In a recent poll, Americans would rather see Charles Koch as president than Harry Reid, and by a wide margin.
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Re: Democratic hypocrisy

Postby cartervj » Wed Apr 30, 2014 7:33 pm

and now the hypocrisy :lol3:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/30/editorial-the-democratic-billionaires-club/

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EDITORIAL: The Democratic Billionaires Club’s double-standard
They want to ‘reform’ campaign finance to fit their needs

By THE WASHINGTON TIMES Wednesday, April 30, 2014
Businessman Tom Steyer listens during a meeting to announce the launch of a group called Virginians for Clean Government at Virginia Commonwealth University in Richmond, Va., Wednesday, Sept. 25, 2013. While Democrats hammer away at the influence of the Koch brothers, conservatives are swinging back by pointing to the liberal campaign activism and free-spending ways of the wealthy Steyer brothers, Jim and Tom. (Associated Press)


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Principles in politics often fade even before all the election returns are in. Once elected, candidates can feel liberated from inconvenient campaign promises. President Obama, more than anyone, has “grown” so big in office he isn’t bound by anything he said before the day before yesterday.

He was once the passionate, bright-eyed reformer who talked the talk, even becoming the first presidential candidate to disdain public funding of his campaign. But when a gaggle of liberal billionaires gathered in Chicago last week to plot how to buy a liberal Congress in November, the president wasn’t at all offended by all that money walking.

Mr. Obama dispatched his most powerful deputy, Valerie Jarrett, to join the discussions with the secretive “Democracy Alliance.” They’ll have hundreds of millions of dollars in unrestricted contributions to spend between now and Election Day. Convictions and principles are nice, but holding on to control of the Senate by any means necessary is nicer.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid has spent the past few months deriding, insulting and calling the Koch brothers, more libertarian that orthodox conservative, “un-American” for participating in democracy through contributing money to free-market groups.
When Tom Steyer, the newest liberal rich kid on the block, pledged to spend $100 million to defeat the Keystone XL pipeline and keep the Senate in Democratic hands, Mr. Reid applauded, and flew off to San Francisco for a fundraiser at Mr. Steyer’s mansion.

Vulnerable Democrats have even formed a political action committee to “Stop the Koch Brothers,” pleading for support because, they say, the brothers have contributed a “jaw-dropping $30 million to buy elections.” Some of the Democrats should help the Koch critics find their jaws because that’s less than a third of what Mr. Steyer pledged.

Even outside groups that make money raising money to support new campaign-finance laws look the other way when rich liberals do what they tell others not to do. People for the American Way devotes eight pages on its website to the sins of the Koch brothers, but nary a paragraph to examine where Mr. Steyer sends his largesse. Common Cause doesn’t get a mention, either. Mr. Steyer’s money, hundreds of millions of dollars of it, is deemed sanitary, and the ethics inspectors of the left are careful to “see no evil.”



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Re: Democratic hypocrisy

Postby nitram » Wed Apr 30, 2014 7:38 pm

Corrupt is not really a strong enough word by itself to describe Harry Reid (D-NV). Additional ones might include immoral, unethical, dishonest, crooked, shady, fraudulent, debased, degraded, tainted, perverted, warped, contaminated, and rotten. One might also add uncooperative, intransigent, inflexible, obdurate, obstinate, obstructionist, extremist, and intractable. And these are his good points. When it comes to serving the interests of America and her citizens, rather than those of himself and those willing to bribe him, Reid hits the absolute bottom of the political septic tank
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Re: Democratic hypocrisy

Postby cartervj » Wed Apr 30, 2014 7:48 pm

I call him a POS, kinda sums it up. :thumbsup:
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Re: Democratic hypocrisy

Postby Glimmerjim » Thu May 01, 2014 1:18 am

Please illuminate for me the hypocrisy in the LV Journal article, carter. He is saying that you have to pick a particular target that is antithetical to your policies and objectives in order to rally a base. What are you doing that is different? I think it is a given that you have to have a common enemy to gain support for a cause, be it cancer, abortion, or the Koch Bros.
Of course this WAS a Tea Party publication that put the negative spin on his statements.
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Re: Democratic hypocrisy

Postby beretta24 » Thu May 01, 2014 3:15 am

Glimmerjim wrote:Please illuminate for me the hypocrisy in the LV Journal article, carter. He is saying that you have to pick a particular target that is antithetical to your policies and objectives in order to rally a base. What are you doing that is different? I think it is a given that you have to have a common enemy to gain support for a cause, be it cancer, abortion, or the Koch Bros.
Of course this WAS a Tea Party publication that put the negative spin on his statements.

While I agree it wasn't mentioned, the hypocrisy I see is the continued false narrative that the Republicans are supported by the evil rich, and the Democrats aren't. The Republicans are horrible at addressing this and Democrats are great at continuing the facade.
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Re: Democratic hypocrisy

Postby dudejcb » Thu May 01, 2014 9:38 am

Matthew Burke ... "a self-proclaimed teat-party guru" (misspelling mine)

consider the source.
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Re: Democratic hypocrisy

Postby WTN10 » Thu May 01, 2014 9:53 am

I don't doubt Reid or the rest of the Democrats are doing this. Did you think the Republicans harped on Obama being a "socialist" because they were concerned about America or because they wanted to give you a villain so that they would get your money and vote?

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Re: Democratic hypocrisy

Postby ScaupHunter » Thu May 01, 2014 9:57 am

Or, every 4 years or so change the players to get rid of the entrenched douche bags we have in place.
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Re: Democratic hypocrisy

Postby Glimmerjim » Thu May 01, 2014 1:22 pm

beretta24 wrote:
Glimmerjim wrote:Please illuminate for me the hypocrisy in the LV Journal article, carter. He is saying that you have to pick a particular target that is antithetical to your policies and objectives in order to rally a base. What are you doing that is different? I think it is a given that you have to have a common enemy to gain support for a cause, be it cancer, abortion, or the Koch Bros.
Of course this WAS a Tea Party publication that put the negative spin on his statements.

While I agree it wasn't mentioned, the hypocrisy I see is the continued false narrative that the Republicans are supported by the evil rich, and the Democrats aren't. The Republicans are horrible at addressing this and Democrats are great at continuing the facade.

That IS a fair point that i have no argument with, beretta. I do believe, however, that Democratic tenets are geared towards upward mobility through directly helping the lower classes, while the Republicans believe that indirectly aiding them by providing the "movers and shakers" the incentives to develop large business, thus providing jobs to the lower classes. I don't believe there is really an intrinsic "evil" in either position, just different concepts of how to best accomplish that which we all desire, the ability for upward mobility in all classes.
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Re: Democratic hypocrisy

Postby Glimmerjim » Thu May 01, 2014 1:23 pm

WTN10 wrote:I don't doubt Reid or the rest of the Democrats are doing this. Did you think the Republicans harped on Obama being a "socialist" because they were concerned about America or because they wanted to give you a villain so that they would get your money and vote?

This is politics. You may not like it, but it's how the game is played. If you don't like it, change the game.

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Re: Democratic hypocrisy

Postby cartervj » Thu May 01, 2014 7:20 pm

Glimmerjim wrote:That IS a fair point that i have no argument with, beretta. I do believe, however, that Democratic tenets are geared towards upward mobility through directly helping the lower classes, while the Republicans believe that indirectly aiding them by providing the "movers and shakers" the incentives to develop large business, thus providing jobs to the lower classes. I don't believe there is really an intrinsic "evil" in either position, just different concepts of how to best accomplish that which we all desire, the ability for upward mobility in all classes.



Then explain the lowering of middle class thru lack of jobs and cost of living increases caused by this administration. The Keystone pipeline would awaken the economy yet that is a big ol HELL NO!
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Re: Democratic hypocrisy

Postby cartervj » Thu May 01, 2014 7:22 pm

dudejcb wrote:Matthew Burke ... "a self-proclaimed teat-party guru" (misspelling mine)

consider the source.



you would give a pavlovian dog a run for his money :loll:
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Re: Democratic hypocrisy

Postby cartervj » Thu May 01, 2014 7:36 pm

Rep. Bennie Thompson (D-MS) believes he can call Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas an "Uncle Tom" because Thompson, like Thomas, is black.

Thompson initially called Thomas an "Uncle Tom" over the weekend because, he said, his decisions on the Supreme Court "have been adverse to the minority community, and the people I represent have a real issue with an African American not being sensible to those issues."

CNN's Dana Bash then mentioned to Thompson on Wednesday that such comments would not be appropriate if made by a white person:
Bash: Isn't that a racially charged term?
Thompson: For some it is, but to others it's the truth.
Bash: Because looking at that and hearing that kind of language, that certainly wouldn't be appropriate if it was coming from somebody who was white.
Thompson: But I'm black.

When pressed further, Thompson said:
The people that I represent, for the most part, have a real issue with those decisions--voter ID, affirmative action, Affordable Care Act--all those issues are very important and for someone in the court who's African American and not sensitive to that is a real problem.

Thompson also implied that opposition to Obama, especially by Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY), was due to Obama's race.
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Re: Democratic hypocrisy

Postby cartervj » Fri May 02, 2014 7:47 pm

and disrespect able too!


Oregon Republican candidate for Senate Mark Callahan was thrown out of a meeting with reporters from local alternative newspaper Willamette Week after chastising a reporter for writing “blah blah blah” in his notepad as another candidate explained her policy positions.

A group of GOP Senate hopefuls each seeking the Oregon paper’s endorsement sat down with a group of Willamette Week reporters. One candidate, Joe Rae Perkins, called into the meeting to explain her political platform. But not all the journalists were interested — and Callahan happened to notice.

“You want to talk about disrespect, I see what you’re writing down there,” he angrily accused reporter Nigel Jaquiss. “You just wrote down ‘blah blah blah blah blah’ for everything that Joe Rae said. Joe Rae is a respectable woman. Why are you not respecting her by writing ‘blah blah blah blah blah’ on your notepad?”

The moderator suggested that Callahan “move on” and answer the next question “respectfully.”

“You have to give respect in order to get respect,” he shot back. “Right now on that side of the table, you’re not giving very much respect to the five of us and our time here.”

Clearly peeved, the moderator nevertheless plowed on. “Mark, here’s my question,” he said. “Climate change: Do you believe it’s a myth or a reality?”

“It’s a myth,” he replied.

“Where are you on the Easter Bunny?” Jaquiss sneered — clearly unembarrassed by Callahan’s earlier accusation.


“Are these really the questions that I was called here to answer?” an infuriated Callahan replied. “I called you out for putting ‘blah blah blah’ on your notepad and now you’re asking me questions like this? Really? Really? Are we talking about this now? How about you ask a very serious and respectful question instead of asking a little childish question?”

Rather than call out his colleague, the moderator turned on Callahan. “Mark, I just asked you if climate change was a myth –”

“And I answered your question,” Callahan replied.

“So can I now move on and get the response from someone else? And if you’re not going to let me I’m going to ask you to leave,” the moderator continued. “Ok? That’s two strikes.”

“Who do you think you are?” Callahan laughed.

Strike three! “Ok, you may leave now,” the moderator snarled. “Go ahead. You’re done here! This is neither a fair or balanced meeting. This is a meeting for us to…”

“I know, it’s a meeting being had by disrespectful, thin-skinned liberals like yourself!” Callahan charged.

“There’s the door,” another reporter suggested.

“I got better things to do with my time,” Callahan finished, pushing off from the table and storming out of the room.”



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Re: Democratic hypocrisy

Postby On the X » Fri May 02, 2014 8:46 pm

mobility through directly helping the lower classes

So Glimmer..... being given every government handout there is and then coming up with more, cell phones being an example is directly helping the lower classes? What it has done is help guarantee two things
1. Generations and future generations stuck forever more in the lower class (poor), enabled to the point of total reliance on government. The poor (lower class) citizens of New Orleans being a prime example.
2. A permanent voting base for the liberal politicians who promise the continuation of that which keeps the lower class poor.
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Re: Democratic hypocrisy

Postby Glimmerjim » Fri May 02, 2014 9:21 pm

On the X wrote:
mobility through directly helping the lower classes

So Glimmer..... being given every government handout there is and then coming up with more, cell phones being an example is directly helping the lower classes? What it has done is help guarantee two things
1. Generations and future generations stuck forever more in the lower class (poor), enabled to the point of total reliance on government. The poor (lower class) citizens of New Orleans being a prime example.
2. A permanent voting base for the liberal politicians who promise the continuation of that which keeps the lower class poor.

Well....we tried the good ole "trickle down" theory for a while. I wouldn't call it a resounding success, except in allocating the wealth to fewer pockets.
The Rep's never have any positive ideas. They spend the majority of their tenure hounddogging the Dem's for scandal, and the rest of it having completely useless repreal votes on legislation that has already been passed, KNOWING that it will not pass!!! Talk about a fruitless exercise in wasting taxpayer's money!!! But we want to keep up our Frankenstein's monster platform....."Dem's bad....Rep's good..."
How long, and how much money, was spent on the question of whether Bill Clinton had sex with an intern? That turned out to be another FRUITLESS exercise in spending taxpayer money attempting to villify the left because the right has nothing to offer. And serial philanderer Newt Gingrich was at the helm of the investigation!
Do we want to get into the personal libidinous affairs of, say, the Founding Fathers, the writers of the Constitution?
Give me a break. No, that's not quite right...give US...the American people, a break! Find someting better to offer to obtain the objective of enabling all to have equal access to upward mobility. Then you can talk. Until then, please just stay out of the way.
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Re: Democratic hypocrisy

Postby beretta24 » Sat May 03, 2014 1:00 am

Glimmerjim wrote:Well....we tried the good ole "trickle down" theory for a while. I wouldn't call it a resounding success, except in allocating the wealth to fewer pockets.
And you will be forever a fool to believe the policies of the people you support will solve the problem. The same policies that have been in place in Chicago and Detroit for decades. How on earth can you think they'll work on a national level?

Furthermore, any other plan is doomed to result in the same boom and bust cycle we've seen for generations because it doesn't tackle the underlying cause. In recent decades it would be cheap credit in the form of decreasing interest rates enabled by the Government with the Fed. Until the Fed policies change, or its eliminated you're pissing in the wind.
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Re: Democratic hypocrisy

Postby Indaswamp » Sat May 03, 2014 1:55 pm

beretta24 wrote:
Glimmerjim wrote:Well....we tried the good ole "trickle down" theory for a while. I wouldn't call it a resounding success, except in allocating the wealth to fewer pockets.
And you will be forever a fool to believe the policies of the people you support will solve the problem. The same policies that have been in place in Chicago and Detroit for decades. How on earth can you think they'll work on a national level?

Furthermore, any other plan is doomed to result in the same boom and bust cycle we've seen for generations because it doesn't tackle the underlying cause. In recent decades it would be cheap credit in the form of decreasing interest rates enabled by the Government with the Fed. Until the Fed policies change, or its eliminated you're pissing in the wind.

1000 points to beretta24. The symptoms of problems are tackled (unsuccessfully I might add), but the root cause of the problem is NEVER MENTIONED...and that is monetary policies! It is political suicide for politicians to attempt to address the root issue, thus it is left to stand like an elephant in the room.
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Re: Democratic hypocrisy

Postby clampdaddy » Sat May 03, 2014 2:46 pm

Glimmerjim wrote: ...give US...the American people, a break! Find someting better to offer to obtain the objective of enabling all to have equal access to upward mobility. Then you can talk. Until then, please just stay out of the way.


Sorry Jimbo but that is a load of horse mud. Every kid in America has access to an education that will get them through life fairly comfortably. After that, work ethic is all that is needed. Hard to instill in a child born to lazy parents. Harder yet to instill in a child born to lazy parents who teach their kids how to get paid by the government without ever lifting a finger or breaking a sweat. You can not legislate that away with more handouts. In fact, you make the problem worse.

Upward mobility is easy to figure out.

1. Get enough education to make yourself employable.
2. Get a job
3. Show up to work on time and do what you're being paid to do.
4. Keep looking for a better job, but don't leave your current job until you've found that better one.
5. If your dream job requires more education, get it, but keep working.
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Re: Democratic hypocrisy

Postby cartervj » Sat May 03, 2014 6:51 pm

Jim if you are ever down my way give me a shout, I'll show you what government intervention looks like. It's not what you are envisioning.
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Re: Democratic hypocrisy

Postby On the X » Sat May 03, 2014 9:31 pm

It's really quite amazing how an intelligent liberal's hate of Republicans forces him to defend any and all democrats every time.
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Re: Democratic hypocrisy

Postby Glimmerjim » Sat May 03, 2014 10:10 pm

cartervj wrote:Jim if you are ever down my way give me a shout, I'll show you what government intervention looks like. It's not what you are envisioning.

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Re: Democratic hypocrisy

Postby waterfowlman » Sun May 04, 2014 12:12 am

Term limits! The end.
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Re: Democratic hypocrisy

Postby Duck_Stank » Sun May 04, 2014 1:32 am

Clampdaddy summed it up pretty well.
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