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More Obamacare sh*t

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Postby beretta24 » Wed May 14, 2014 8:02 am

This isn't unique to ACA related contracts or democrat administrations. It's the other side of the pendulum swing from cost plus contracts.

In a firm fixed contract you get compensated for whatever you can justify in an upfront audit. An audit conducted by humans with likely less knowledge of the subject than those that supplied the quote. Bodies are easy to justify and typically bring in good profits.
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Postby Rat Creek » Wed May 14, 2014 10:37 am

It is just such a freaking disaster in every way and form imaginable. Yet, as long as he has a D after his name, the useful idiots will defend this. :bow: :bow: :bow:

I can honestly say that I cannot think of a bigger disaster in either public or private sector in my life, yet, some continue to act as if it can be made good. :no: If we had a leader and not a hack, The One himself would have begged that this disaster, that carries his name, be dismantled for the harm it is doing. :mad:
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Postby Glimmerjim » Wed May 14, 2014 10:57 am

Rat Creek wrote:It is just such a freaking disaster in every way and form imaginable. Yet, as long as he has a D after his name, the useful idiots will defend this. :bow: :bow: :bow:

I can honestly say that I cannot think of a bigger disaster in either public or private sector in my life, yet, some continue to act as if it can be made good. :no: If we had a leader and not a hack, The One himself would have begged that this disaster, that carries his name, be dismantled for the harm it is doing. :mad:


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Postby beretta24 » Wed May 14, 2014 10:59 am

Rat Creek wrote:It is just such a freaking disaster in every way and form imaginable. Yet, as long as he has a D after his name, the useful idiots will defend this. :bow: :bow: :bow:

I can honestly say that I cannot think of a bigger disaster in either public or private sector in my life, yet, some continue to act as if it can be made good. :no: If we had a leader and not a hack, The One himself would have begged that this disaster, that carries his name, be dismantled for the harm it is doing. :mad:

I'm not saying it isn't a disaster, but you will see similar apparent fleecing of the taxpayer on just about every large government contract. And companies just about have to do it because the government uses nonspecific language so they can request anything. Companies combat this by justifying a bunch of labor to keep their profit margins up. It's the result of the government generating a poor SOW up front.

The example provided shouldn't be viewed as just an ACA screw up, its likely simply a result of the bureaucracy associated with work with the Fed government.
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Postby ScaupHunter » Wed May 14, 2014 11:03 am

Come now, they are simply upstaffing in the face of overwhelming demands for the wonder we all call Ocare. How can you challenge the impending stampede of citizens into this all encompassing wonder and delight? Nothing to see here citizen. Jim says corruption is acceptable and ok to the tune of 1.5 billion so it must be true.
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Postby Rat Creek » Wed May 14, 2014 12:17 pm

Why am I absolutely certain Jim is in a public sector union, and likely "retired" very young or maybe even "disabled" and living off working Americans? He just too easily excuses the inexcusable. :huh:
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Postby Glimmerjim » Wed May 14, 2014 2:43 pm

Rat Creek wrote:Why am I absolutely certain Jim is in a public sector union, and likely "retired" very young or maybe even "disabled" and living off working Americans? He just too easily excuses the inexcusable. :huh:

Never been in a public union sector, RC. Not disabled, but did retire fairly early. Living off "working Americans"? Why am I absolutely certain that I put in twice as many hours as you in a much more strenuous career? I'm retired, so can while away my weekdays on the computer if I so desire. Whose "working Americans" money allows you that ability? I certainly had little time to play on the computer when I was working.
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Postby ScaupHunter » Wed May 14, 2014 3:17 pm

We all can now that Oman made it legal instead of limiting us to basic foods. Toss in a new phone and you have a socialist paradise. :hammer:
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Postby SpinnerMan » Wed May 14, 2014 3:35 pm

http://dailycaller.com/2014/05/13/insurer-obamacare-customers-must-break-choice-habit/
Health insurers are now openly admitting that with Obamacare’s reforms, patient choice can no longer be a priority for Americans.

“We have to break people away from the choice habit that everyone has,” Marcus Merz, CEO of Minnesota insurer PreferredOne, told The New York Times Tuesday. “We’re all trying to break away from this fixation on open access and broad networks.”

With boatloads of mandatory services provided each and every customer whether they’re wanted or not, health insurers’ costs are going up. If insurance companies are going to keep prices at a manageable level, narrow networks are one of their only options. So far under the health care law, networks are narrowing while premiums are going up.


But cancer centers, with their top-of-the-line physicians and expensive procedures, have been a primary casualty of narrow networks. According to an Associated Press analysis, just four of the 19 top comprehensive cancer centers are covered by all Obamacare exchange plans in their states.


Volk offered several claims customers may attempt to negotiate with their company, but health insurers’ answer is clear: cost-focused patients shouldn’t expect a wide array of choices for their health care, according to Dr. Sam Ho, United Healthcare’s chief medical officer.

“It’s a new era,” Ho told The New York Times.

Obamacare was a classic bait and switch. However, can we really rule out that Obama is not so clueless that he didn't know what was obvious to the rest of us. The guy seems oblivious to the obvious.
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Postby huntmmup » Wed May 14, 2014 4:43 pm

Rat Creek wrote:It is just such a freaking disaster in every way and form imaginable. Yet, as long as he has a D after his name, the useful idiots will defend this. :bow: :bow: :bow:

I can honestly say that I cannot think of a bigger disaster in either public or private sector in my life, yet, some continue to act as if it can be made good. :no: If we had a leader and not a hack, The One himself would have begged that this disaster, that carries his name, be dismantled for the harm it is doing. :mad:



Actually I was against it and am still against passing laws without reading them first, but my wife was able to get affordable insurance for the first time in about 12 years, so it hasn't been a TOTAL disaster for me. Most other developed countries have universal government provided health care and most of them are doing fine, I don't see why how this can be "the worst disaster ever" other than you're just a numbskull who hates everything any Democrat does.
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Postby ScaupHunter » Wed May 14, 2014 4:50 pm

Define affordable. Cover deductibles, actual coverage, and services available before you make that claim. I have $50 bucks that says there is nothing afordable about it at all.
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Postby huntmmup » Wed May 14, 2014 5:21 pm

ScaupHunter wrote:Define affordable. Cover deductibles, actual coverage, and services available before you make that claim. I have $50 bucks that says there is nothing afordable about it at all.


You would lose $50 to a lot of older people. I do not know about younger people, I have read generally that young healthy people are going to be the ones paying more to cover older with health problems like my wife. But yes our premiums are lower, same coverage (according to our specialist, a few additional items are covered than were before), same deductible.

What gets me is people who think this is socialized health care. :lol3: apparently they have never bought insurance before, because I'm sure as heck still paying a private company for insurance.
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Postby cartervj » Wed May 14, 2014 5:48 pm

huntmmup wrote:
ScaupHunter wrote:Define affordable. Cover deductibles, actual coverage, and services available before you make that claim. I have $50 bucks that says there is nothing afordable about it at all.


You would lose $50 to a lot of older people. I do not know about younger people, I have read generally that young healthy people are going to be the ones paying more to cover older with health problems like my wife. But yes our premiums are lower, same coverage (according to our specialist, a few additional items are covered than were before), same deductible.

What gets me is people who think this is socialized health care. :lol3: apparently they have never bought insurance before, because I'm sure as heck still paying a private company for insurance.



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Postby SpinnerMan » Wed May 14, 2014 7:17 pm

huntmmup wrote:Most other developed countries have universal government provided health care and most of them are doing fine,
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There system sucks compared to ours. We eat way too much and do other unhealthy things way too much, but if you get sick or in an accident, there is no where else in the world you want to be. We have the best technology available to the most people in the shortest amount of time which is why when you compare apples to apples, there is no comparison.

Now if we weren't such lard ass unhealthy fools, we would be so much better, but think how bad we would be if we didn't have such great health care.

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Postby huntmmup » Wed May 14, 2014 7:27 pm

Yes we're the best at treating the most unusual, rare diseases. But our health care system is ranked 37th in the world, behind countries like Costa Rica, Dominica, Morocco, etc because our health care system in general, sucks. If you do not have a job that provides health insurance, can not afford it, you are totally screwed. If you lose your job and do not have savings to pay for health insurance, your family is screwed. Get cancer while you dont have health insurance, and you are dead. Or a quarter million dollars in debt. Have a condition that your insurance company didnt put in your policy, and you are dead, or a quarter million dollars in debt.

That is why obamacare was a republican idea - require everybody to buy health insurance, like we do with car insurance, then when those people get sick they don't get a free ride to the emergency room. They pay their share.
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Postby beretta24 » Wed May 14, 2014 7:42 pm

huntmmup wrote:
ScaupHunter wrote:Define affordable. Cover deductibles, actual coverage, and services available before you make that claim. I have $50 bucks that says there is nothing afordable about it at all.


You would lose $50 to a lot of older people. I do not know about younger people, I have read generally that young healthy people are going to be the ones paying more to cover older with health problems like my wife. But yes our premiums are lower, same coverage (according to our specialist, a few additional items are covered than were before), same deductible.

What gets me is people who think this is socialized health care. :lol3: apparently they have never bought insurance before, because I'm sure as heck still paying a private company for insurance.

So you're happy to have others pay for your care. That's mighty generous of you.
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Postby cartervj » Wed May 14, 2014 7:53 pm

huntmmup wrote:Yes we're the best at treating the most unusual, rare diseases. But our health care system is ranked 37th in the world, behind countries like Costa Rica, Dominica, Morocco, etc because our health care system in general, sucks. If you do not have a job that provides health insurance, can not afford it, you are totally screwed. If you lose your job and do not have savings to pay for health insurance, your family is screwed. Get cancer while you dont have health insurance, and you are dead. Or a quarter million dollars in debt. Have a condition that your insurance company didnt put in your policy, and you are dead, or a quarter million dollars in debt.

That is why obamacare was a republican idea - require everybody to buy health insurance, like we do with car insurance, then when those people get sick they don't get a free ride to the emergency room. They pay their share.



Are all those countries using the SAME criteria for the ranking, go look it up and get back to us. I already know the answer, you should too!
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cartervj wrote:
huntmmup wrote:Yes we're the best at treating the most unusual, rare diseases. But our health care system is ranked 37th in the world, behind countries like Costa Rica, Dominica, Morocco, etc because our health care system in general, sucks. If you do not have a job that provides health insurance, can not afford it, you are totally screwed. If you lose your job and do not have savings to pay for health insurance, your family is screwed. Get cancer while you dont have health insurance, and you are dead. Or a quarter million dollars in debt. Have a condition that your insurance company didnt put in your policy, and you are dead, or a quarter million dollars in debt.

That is why obamacare was a republican idea - require everybody to buy health insurance, like we do with car insurance, then when those people get sick they don't get a free ride to the emergency room. They pay their share.



Are all those countries using the SAME criteria for the ranking, go look it up and get back to us. I already know the answer, you should too!

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Postby Glimmerjim » Wed May 14, 2014 8:34 pm

huntmmup wrote:
Rat Creek wrote:It is just such a freaking disaster in every way and form imaginable. Yet, as long as he has a D after his name, the useful idiots will defend this. :bow: :bow: :bow:

I can honestly say that I cannot think of a bigger disaster in either public or private sector in my life, yet, some continue to act as if it can be made good. :no: If we had a leader and not a hack, The One himself would have begged that this disaster, that carries his name, be dismantled for the harm it is doing. :mad:



Actually I was against it and am still against passing laws without reading them first, but my wife was able to get affordable insurance for the first time in about 12 years, so it hasn't been a TOTAL disaster for me. Most other developed countries have universal government provided health care and most of them are doing fine, I don't see why how this can be "the worst disaster ever" other than you're just a numbskull who hates everything any Democrat does.

Bingo huntmmup! There are a lot of people who have found this to be the case. But the Republican Party, which in Kenyan means "group of bats**t crazy mf's", and their legion of lemmings can't look at ANYTHING objectively. Rush got them when he said "You don't need to think. I will do your thinking for you." That took quite the load off the average Republican. Not that he was ever thinking, anyway, but now they didn't have to feel guilty about it.
They are, not to sound pompous but only this old latin term suffices, "whiners & boohooners extremis con loco cabesa". Or to use the seldom used, archane language of "Alliterationish", crazy, crawfishing, crawling, cro-magnon, curmudgeons. Scientists, including Spinner (but ssshhhh.....he doesn't know what he's working on) are working around the clock to develop an insecticide to rid our planet of this pestilence. Luckily, when told about it, the Republicans said there are no effects from the insecticide and all the scientists are working in collusion in a diabolical, Machiavellian, conspiracy to obtain grant money. Ha ha haaa! (said in a Dastardly manner while twirling the tips of my moustache) Mutley is a heck of a retriever by the way!
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Postby Glimmerjim » Wed May 14, 2014 8:39 pm

SpinnerMan wrote:
huntmmup wrote:Most other developed countries have universal government provided health care and most of them are doing fine,
:lol3:
There system sucks compared to ours. We eat way too much and do other unhealthy things way too much, but if you get sick or in an accident, there is no where else in the world you want to be. We have the best technology available to the most people in the shortest amount of time which is why when you compare apples to apples, there is no comparison.

Now if we weren't such lard ass unhealthy fools, we would be so much better, but think how bad we would be if we didn't have such great health care.

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That reminds me Spinner. .When previously condemning nationalized Health Care, you were complaining about the per capita cost, but you neglected to show the US per capita cost to put it all in context. Thanks! :thumbsup:

You are most adept at putting up graphs that depict the problem with anything you wish to denigrate..........yet you always seem to avoid the core of the question. Is this a technique developed from years of CYA when authoring reports on energy? :hi:
And in re to the chart above......apparently, after hundreds of years of "Great health care", our claim to fame is that we have the highest percentage of drug users. That has, indeed, been a big problem with conservative talk show hosts, but we're working on it! What it means other than that is beyond comprehension.
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Postby beretta24 » Wed May 14, 2014 8:46 pm

huntmmup wrote:Yes we're the best at treating the most unusual, rare diseases. But our health care system is ranked 37th in the world, behind countries like Costa Rica, Dominica, Morocco, etc because our health care system in general, sucks. If you do not have a job that provides health insurance, can not afford it, you are totally screwed. If you lose your job and do not have savings to pay for health insurance, your family is screwed. Get cancer while you dont have health insurance, and you are dead. Or a quarter million dollars in debt. Have a condition that your insurance company didnt put in your policy, and you are dead, or a quarter million dollars in debt.

That is why obamacare was a republican idea - require everybody to buy health insurance, like we do with car insurance, then when those people get sick they don't get a free ride to the emergency room. They pay their share.

Guess what, those countries don't provide unlimited healthcare to all for all health issues either. You're talking out your backside again, and your logic is as flawed as ever, dhunt. At least Jim is still here to pat you on the back like a good little lap dog.

Answer this, why don't Americans ever go to those other countries for anything considered routine here?
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Postby Glimmerjim » Wed May 14, 2014 9:15 pm

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huntmmup wrote:
ScaupHunter wrote:Define affordable. Cover deductibles, actual coverage, and services available before you make that claim. I have $50 bucks that says there is nothing afordable about it at all.


You would lose $50 to a lot of older people. I do not know about younger people, I have read generally that young healthy people are going to be the ones paying more to cover older with health problems like my wife. But yes our premiums are lower, same coverage (according to our specialist, a few additional items are covered than were before), same deductible.

What gets me is people who think this is socialized health care. :lol3: apparently they have never bought insurance before, because I'm sure as heck still paying a private company for insurance.

So you're happy to have others pay for your care. That's mighty generous of you.

Or, at times, to help others pay for theirs. That's essentially what makes the US what it is beretta. It's not just generosity, it's doing what is best for the society. Honest, this society isn't founded on the "beretta states of America". Now, granted, we are turning rapidly into an oligarchy in which the few simply utilize the dispensable many, but that is not what we are supposed to be. It's the inevitable conclusion of free-market capitalism. No question about it.
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Postby Glimmerjim » Wed May 14, 2014 9:56 pm

cartervj wrote:
huntmmup wrote:Yes we're the best at treating the most unusual, rare diseases. But our health care system is ranked 37th in the world, behind countries like Costa Rica, Dominica, Morocco, etc because our health care system in general, sucks. If you do not have a job that provides health insurance, can not afford it, you are totally screwed. If you lose your job and do not have savings to pay for health insurance, your family is screwed. Get cancer while you dont have health insurance, and you are dead. Or a quarter million dollars in debt. Have a condition that your insurance company didnt put in your policy, and you are dead, or a quarter million dollars in debt.

That is why obamacare was a republican idea - require everybody to buy health insurance, like we do with car insurance, then when those people get sick they don't get a free ride to the emergency room. They pay their share.



Are all those countries using the SAME criteria for the ranking, go look it up and get back to us. I already know the answer, you should too!

Don't know, carter. Are all the countries using the same criteria on Spinner's chart?
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