Glimmerjim wrote:Bluesky2012 wrote:Glimmerjim wrote:beretta24 wrote:huntmmup wrote:ScaupHunter wrote:Define affordable. Cover deductibles, actual coverage, and services available before you make that claim. I have $50 bucks that says there is nothing afordable about it at all.
You would lose $50 to a lot of older people. I do not know about younger people, I have read generally that young healthy people are going to be the ones paying more to cover older with health problems like my wife. But yes our premiums are lower, same coverage (according to our specialist, a few additional items are covered than were before), same deductible.
What gets me is people who think this is socialized health care. apparently they have never bought insurance before, because I'm sure as heck still paying a private company for insurance.
So you're happy to have others pay for your care. That's mighty generous of you.
Or, at times, to help others pay for theirs. That's essentially what makes the US what it is beretta. It's not just generosity, it's doing what is best for the society. Honest, this society isn't founded on the "beretta states of America". Now, granted, we are turning rapidly into an oligarchy in which the few simply utilize the dispensable many, but that is not what we are supposed to be. It's the inevitable conclusion of free-market capitalism. No question about it.
So glimmer what you're saying is that by your logic, it is moral for another mans existence to place a burden on me? You may call this "forced benevolence" as part of civil society, but I call it theft. The capital that I once owned is now being taken from me for someone else. Wow don't I feel so good about myself!
Just please answer me, why is it okay for your existence to force a burden onto me or anyone else? What did I do to owe you or your wife health care?
You implicity agreed to be part of this society by living within its current political system. We don't pick and choose what laws we want to abide by and which we don't, as this leads to total anarchy. In being part of this system, you have accepted the onus of a certain sharing of something of which you currently have an abundance of in the surety that if you, at some point, have a dire shortage of said something, others will contribute to you.
Quit beating around the bush and answer the question. Is it moral that you steal money from me to pay for your wife's health care? I don't care if you want to claim it's a tax, it's theft regardless of the legal sugar coating so again I ask, is it moral to take my money without consent for that purpose?