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Postby captainduckhead » Tue Apr 29, 2008 3:43 pm

He''s saying that, while he doesn't refuse the pay raise, he sees the flaws in the system, and the resulting damage to the economy because of it.
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Postby wackemstackem » Tue Apr 29, 2008 3:44 pm

Not in my Union.I cant remember getting more than a 3% hike.I.B.EW. Union proud.
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Postby jehler » Tue Apr 29, 2008 5:07 pm

UNIONS....the noose around our countries neck. Now the honest jobs are in china, india, mexico because the unions want nothing to do with an honest job, work six to get your eight get a scheduled raise regardless of performance, fire me ya right file a grievance
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Postby don taylor » Tue Apr 29, 2008 5:14 pm

wackemstackem wrote:Not in my Union.I cant remember getting more than a 3% hike.I.B.EW. Union proud.


I guess that depends on your outfit. If you are contracted union labor you would have a set scale. But the journeymans rate and apprentice rate go up with the MW. Why else would the unions be so vocal about a wage that nobody gets as a union worker?
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Postby DuckZilla » Tue Apr 29, 2008 5:17 pm

I also work for the union, BAC Local 13 here in Las Vegas. IF it wasn't for the unions there would be no work(the new casinos will not hire non union work unless its in-house). Don't ask me why cause I have no idea. I do also believe that the union is good to a certain extent. I do love my raises every year. Plus moving up from 20.15 to 25.36 in a matter of 6 months from taking classes, can't say I don't like that either. What I don't like is how our whole system works here in vegas(for the Local BAC 13 only). We take in more illegal workers than ANY trade in Nevada. Our union president himself has been accused of threatening illegals with deportation if they do not vote his way during election years. They will come here and work at apprenticeship wages for years and years without asking to be moved up, which in turn saves our union money while collecting dues at the same time. When work gets slow(last christmas for example) they are the ones whom stay working because they are working at the lower pay scale than the Journeymen. Not good. I do agree with deportation if its going to take work away from me and affect me feeding my family and paying my bills. Plus I can't stand when they do not speak a lick of english. At least have the decency to learn the language to a certain extent so we all know what your talking about.
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Postby don taylor » Tue Apr 29, 2008 5:38 pm

What's top rate in your local in Vegas? My cousin is a professional sports consultant or whatever you call a bookie and has been trying to get me to come out. Is it true you have to have a legal residence within so many miles of the city or you can't get hired inside the city? My cousin had a hell of a time finding a place because he didn't have a job. Then he couldn't find a job because he didn't have a place to live.
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Postby DuckZilla » Tue Apr 29, 2008 6:38 pm

Well for my job I didn't need a "legal" residence to get it. I just came out from minnesota, applied for the job(which I had a recommendation from the company I was going to work for). I did have somewhere to stay at first and used that as my primary residence. If you are referring to a casino job it may be different though. I can look into that for you though. As far as max pay scale for construction(in the BAC) I believe that it maxes out at about 42 a hour? My good buddy is a Journeyman Marble Mason and makes about 34 right now with a raise every year for the next 4 years(right around 1.50-3.00). We basically have a new raise scale every 5 years. Our last was 15 dollars over 5 years(but that includes vacation,medical,and such). So you basically see about 7-10 in that 5 years on your check. The vacation part of it is pretty nice(1.25 a hour for 6 months, 1200 every 6 months free of tax based on 40 hour work weeks). Send me a pm and let me know exactally what your looking for and I am sure I can get you the correct information about it.
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Postby greenster » Tue Apr 29, 2008 10:17 pm

I guess I can chime in now and say that I'm also union. Engineering crew for Gas pipe line. no working 6 hours and getting 8.. work 10 hours then I jump over to another crew and work as a labor hand for 4 more hours per day. as a hand I get less money.. Seems now days the easier the job the more money it pays.. no fancy raises here unless earned. but there is a bonus 40 miles if line is true..

If I need the money, I don't care what it is I'll work my ass off... But not working my ass off for minimum wage for a company that makes hundreds of millions to billions of dollars a year.
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Postby Collecchi » Wed Apr 30, 2008 12:57 pm

Illegals are a plage on america and the imploryers should be fined for highering them
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Postby greenster » Wed Apr 30, 2008 1:17 pm

Collecchi wrote:Illegals are a plage on america and the imploryers should be fined for highering them



They are, but they save so much money buy hiring them, that they can afford to pay all the fines in the world.

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Postby jrockncash » Wed Apr 30, 2008 3:49 pm

Greenster is right, much cheaper to sit and pay Hector 4 bucks an hour times all his friends then it is to pay a 1000 dollar fine. Want to solve Illegal Imigration? Make it financially impossible to hire a Border hopping green truck dodger. Fine them an insane amount of money for doing it and then they are stuck trying to leech jobs at Home Depot under the table.

Hell then you dont even have to fork out the money for a fence. Give a set number of Immigrants each year and boom problem solved.
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Postby jeff_osu » Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:35 pm

I think they get fined $5,000 when they get deported, but I'm not totally sure on that one. I know that it's cheaper to just take your chances illegally than to try and get here legit.
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Postby bluewing77 » Wed Apr 30, 2008 10:33 pm

Collecchi wrote:Illegals are a plage on america and the imploryers should be fined for highering them


do you have a labrador retriever? have him fetch ya a dictionary.
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Postby mauser1959 » Thu May 01, 2008 5:30 am

Wackem , ex IBEW here also. I never had more than a 3% raise either after 20 years in the shop; before moving into management. As far as the statement that using someone else's ID is not theft is totally bogus, that is theft sure and simple... on more than one level and once again illegal. And one last thing you can always tell those who are not able to win a argument on logic as they tend to berate those that they are arguing against by talking about their spelling or comparing them to hitler; I am sure that in an oral discourse that no one ever asks someone to spell a word to prove that their ideas are valid.
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Postby don taylor » Thu May 01, 2008 5:45 am

bluewing77 wrote:
Collecchi wrote:Illegals are a plage on america and the imploryers should be fined for highering them


do you have a labrador retriever? have him fetch ya a dictionary.


While I find that snappy comment particularly funny, I don't approve. This guy got 3 posts under his belt and your droppin the hammer. That's not what i expected out of you, Bluewing. I bet CDH is going to be pissed he didn't think of that.
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Postby bluewing77 » Thu May 01, 2008 5:53 am

ok ok the grammar and spelling police will only use force on those members with more than (you pick a good number) posts. wont happen again. but cmon, illiteracy is just as much of a plague
on this great nation as illegal immigration. (nice rhyming skills) okay maybe its not THAT bad....
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Postby captainduckhead » Thu May 01, 2008 9:12 am

Let's say 100 posts, and then BAM right in the freakin' head with grammar hammer. I HATE poor grammar, and spelling, or improper use of words such as "highering" instead of "hiring", but new guys deserve a little lee way, let's make them like us before we start whaling on them for communicative deficiencies.
Unless you're Tyler Zent/Taylor Larson/Remingtonmaster16.

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Postby Preacher1011 » Thu May 01, 2008 9:38 am

captainduckhead wrote:Let's say 100 posts, and then BAM right in the freakin' head with grammar hammer. I HATE poor grammar, and spelling, or improper use of words such as "highering" instead of "hiring", but new guys deserve a little lee way, let's make them like us before we start whaling on them for communicative deficiencies.
Unless you're Tyler Zent/Taylor Larson/Remingtonmaster16.

*Offer does not include typographical errors,


Maybe that IS ye olde Tyler Zent/Taylor Larson/Remingtonmaster16.
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Postby David » Thu May 01, 2008 9:48 am

Preacher1011 wrote:Maybe that IS ye olde Tyler Zent/Taylor Larson/Remingtonmaster16.


I actually checked for that as soon as I saw the post. This isn't him, different state.
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Postby jrockncash » Thu May 01, 2008 10:07 am

Dont forget "Rain of Lead"
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Postby Preacher1011 » Thu May 01, 2008 10:08 am

David wrote:
Preacher1011 wrote:Maybe that IS ye olde Tyler Zent/Taylor Larson/Remingtonmaster16.


I actually checked for that as soon as I saw the post. This isn't him, different state.


FYI for you new people. If you talk lyke tis n tel peps to do stuf wit yo salty... well you get the picture. You get checked and blamed for being Remingtonmaster16's reincarnate. I think when I misspelled all that stuff it was still better than his gawd awful spelling.
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Postby mauser1959 » Thu May 01, 2008 10:16 am

I HATE poor grammar, and spelling, or improper use of words such as "highering" instead of "hiring", but new guys deserve a little lee way, let's make them like us before we start whaling on them for communicative deficiencies.


Do run on sentences count?
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Postby Preacher1011 » Thu May 01, 2008 10:17 am

mauser1959 wrote:
I HATE poor grammar, and spelling, or improper use of words such as "highering" instead of "hiring", but new guys deserve a little lee way, let's make them like us before we start whaling on them for communicative deficiencies.


Do run on sentences count?


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :lol: :lol: He got you on that one mauser. :biggrin: :biggrin:
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Postby don taylor » Thu May 01, 2008 12:22 pm

Looks like you didn't notice that was CDH's post not Mausers. What that make you guilty of?
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Postby Preacher1011 » Thu May 01, 2008 12:25 pm

don taylor wrote:Looks like you didn't notice that was CDH's post not Mausers. What that make you guilty of?


Being half retarded, sorry.

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