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Postby Tangier Island Slacker » Mon Jun 02, 2008 10:07 am

VGM-Hunter wrote:Ok so IF your born gay why don't we fix them. (which there are studies proven to change them) We are born with a heart condition the docs do what they can to help. or a death the try to correct it. We are afraid to stand up and say its wrong to be gay. I don't hate gays I know alot of gays I just don't agree with there life style but I don't hate them. Its a SIN and we are all born sinners.[/b]


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Postby VGM-Hunter » Mon Jun 02, 2008 11:11 am

Someone said males exposed to high level of estrogen or females with testosterone or small thalamus. So yeah why couldn't we reverse or add or slow down that stuff? IF that is what causes you to be gay.
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Postby don taylor » Mon Jun 02, 2008 11:38 am

Being a fag is not a disease you can cure. What you have is a non violent sexual deviant. Normal guys don't entertain the thought and being gay consumes a gay guys lifestyle. Being gay isn't just in the bedroom, its a way of life.

Can you cure a rapist?
Can you cure a pedophile?
Can you cure a serial killer?
Can you cure a necrophiliac?
Can you cure a fag?

The cure is controlling yourself and not baby raping. Baby rapers don't stop thinking about raping babies, they just don't act on their emotions. Fags act on their emotions. Constantly.
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Postby VGM-Hunter » Mon Jun 02, 2008 11:47 am

I beg to differ it can be cured or fixed. Not saying its a disease its something they are trained or porgrammed at a young ages and it can be reversed.
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Postby dudejcb » Mon Jun 02, 2008 11:51 am

VGM-Hunter wrote:I beg to differ it can be cured or fixed. Not saying its a disease its something they are trained or porgrammed at a young ages and it can be reversed.

You're way out in left field here VGM. Hell, you're off the planet.

Any real scientific evidence to support you're "it can be cured, fixed, or reprogrammed" notions. I've never heard, read, or seen anything anywhere near this.
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Postby LIGHT12 » Mon Jun 02, 2008 11:52 am

Just a reminder guys keep it civil. This is a topic that can get ugly fast.
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Postby seastreet » Mon Jun 02, 2008 11:55 am

don taylor wrote:Being a fag is not a disease you can cure. What you have is a non violent sexual deviant. Normal guys don't entertain the thought and being gay consumes a gay guys lifestyle. Being gay isn't just in the bedroom, its a way of life.


Finally... someone gets it. The only argument that could even be remotely legitimate, would be that equal protection covers physical characteristics such as skin color, disability, gender or ethnicity. No one is even making that argument, but keep referring back to religion when it has no place regarding government law. But at the same time, if you were to disqualify behavior for equal protection (specifically sexual orientation), then religious preference would also have to be disqualified, because it is not a physical characteristic.

What I am trying to get across guys, is that equal protection protects all people with varying beliefs, and not just the ones that a certain group affiliates with. With the good, come the bad. We must believe in liberty first. This does not make you a bad christian.

I'm trying to lead you guys in to the rationale that if you start demanding disqualification for non-pysical characteristics in regards to equal protection, then the militant leftist will also use your own weapon on you in demanding that being religious should be disqualified under the blanket of equal protection. I certainly wouldn't want it to happen, so we must pursue liberty first, regardless of what our views may be.
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Postby don taylor » Mon Jun 02, 2008 12:03 pm

So Seastreet, would you agree with this statement?

A gay man and myself are given the same rights under the law. I am allowed to marry the woman of my choice. That's my right. He is allowed to marry the woman of his choice as well. That is his right. Neither one of us has the right to marry a man, so no rights have been violated and we have equal rights.

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Postby VGM-Hunter » Mon Jun 02, 2008 12:04 pm

Because you've never heard or read or seen anything I'm in left field or OFF this planet. I guess you are an expert on this topic.

Well I've heard and read and seen what I am talking about. so who's right or on this planet. I know I haven't seen or head all the studies and I'm not coming accross as the expert its what I believe just because you don't like it well I'm sorry if I affend you or a family member.

I'm not saying your born gay i've always said IF you were born gay.
What I am saying its something at a earlier childhood we learn. And its a SIN and we are to repent of our sins.
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Postby don taylor » Mon Jun 02, 2008 12:09 pm

Oh and all you guys who are pro- fag marriage are also for the Morman Cults right? They should be able to marry whoever they want and have as many wives as they want, right? (Its legal to marry a 14 y.o. in Texas so don't make me go to the cult thread and find some responses you guys put) You can't have it both ways. Freedom to marry whoever, right?
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Postby seastreet » Mon Jun 02, 2008 12:11 pm

don taylor wrote:So Seastreet, would you agree with this statement?

A gay man and myself are given the same rights under the law. I am allowed to marry the woman of my choice. That's my right. He is allowed to marry the woman of his choice as well. That is his right. Neither one of us has the right to marry a man, so no rights have been violated and we have equal rights.

Sums it up?


I believe you are asking the wrong question. It should be...

Please explain why should a gay couple(two consenting adults) be denied marriage?

Remember that under the separation clause, religious reasons are not admissible. I'm not saying that churches will have to marry gays as a result. Quite the contrary. I'm saying that when a gay couple goes to the justice of the peace, judge or mayor, there has to be a legal reason outside of religious ones, that you could not deny them a legal union. The only reason that keeps rising is religion. It is a non-sequitor when it comes to discrimination.
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Postby seastreet » Mon Jun 02, 2008 12:18 pm

don taylor wrote:Freedom to marry whoever, right?


Between two consenting adults? Sure.

Even in polygamy. Why anyone would want more than one wife is beyond me. With just one wife, my honeydo list is long enough and the the nagging is endless. With numerous wives, I would need a revolving account at Home Depot and a good set of ear plugs. It would be torture, IMHO. :rofl:

And divorces in polygamy... After 5 wives each get a half, that would leave a man in deep debt. Anyone wanting more than one wife needs to get their head examined, before being issued a marriage license. :rofl:
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Postby don taylor » Mon Jun 02, 2008 12:36 pm

So Seastreet, would you agree with this statement?

A gay man and myself are given the same rights under the law. I am allowed to marry the woman of my choice. That's my right. He is allowed to marry the woman of his choice as well. That is his right. Neither one of us has the right to marry a man, so no rights have been violated and we have equal rights.

Sums it up?

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Postby SpinnerMan » Mon Jun 02, 2008 12:57 pm

seastreet wrote:Please explain why should a gay couple(two consenting adults) be denied marriage?
Why shouldn't they?

Most of the real issues are issues of individual rights, government handout, and government over reaching. Many of these problems apply to people who never marry or aren't married. Think about how you can solve the problem for unmarried "straight" people and that solution will work for unmarried gay couples.

Social security benefits. There are no issues (or few) associated with individual retirement accounts because it's the individuals money. Social security is NOT your money and is handed out based on whatever formula the government decides. Pensions present similar problems. It's the group ownership that is the real problem in sorting out whose money it is and therefore who gets it after you die.

Hospitals - Every adult that is not married should be able to appoint a legal representative with the same rights as a spouse. If you never marry for whatever reason, you may still need someone to fulfill this role. It could be your mother, fathers, sister, brother, gay lover, or whomever you want.

It's pretty well legal to live with, have sex with, have babies with, whoever and however many people you want. Why does the government care about marriage at all? Because even as bad as some people screw it up, having a male role model (Father), a female role model (Mother) is the best of the available options. Just like they encourage home ownership, there is good reason to encourage the ideal environment for children. That doesn't mean the other options can't work, but they are less than ideal.
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Postby seastreet » Mon Jun 02, 2008 1:23 pm

SpinnerMan wrote:Most of the real issues are issues of individual rights, government handout, and government over reaching. Many of these problems apply to people who never marry or aren't married. Think about how you can solve the problem for unmarried "straight" people and that solution will work for unmarried gay couples.

Now we are getting somewhere. You are developing monitary arguments, where this topic should be about to start with.

Government handouts are always a problem. I am for small government, hence I don't believe in socialism to start with.

SpinnerMan wrote:Social security benefits. There are no issues (or few) associated with individual retirement accounts because it's the individuals money. Social security is NOT your money and is handed out based on whatever formula the government decides. Pensions present similar problems. It's the group ownership that is the real problem in sorting out whose money it is and therefore who gets it after you die.

To start, I think Social Security is a crutch and another social program which has been grown way beyond where it was intended. So am I reading you that a person's partner shouldn't have a say in who gets what?

SpinnerMan wrote:Hospitals - Every adult that is not married should be able to appoint a legal representative with the same rights as a spouse. If you never marry for whatever reason, you may still need someone to fulfill this role. It could be your mother, fathers, sister, brother, gay lover, or whomever you want.

You can now. It's called the "medical power of attorney" and is applicable to whomever you want, for however long you want it.

SpinnerMan wrote:It's pretty well legal to live with, have sex with, have babies with, whoever and however many people you want. Why does the government care about marriage at all? Because even as bad as some people screw it up, having a male role model (Father), a female role model (Mother) is the best of the available options. Just like they encourage home ownership, there is good reason to encourage the ideal environment for children. That doesn't mean the other options can't work, but they are less than ideal.

I don't disagree. I actually believe that too, and I am a father figure as well as a parent to both of my sons. It is up to the father to be the discipline director of the family. Unfortunately, that isn't always the case. Alot of families are way beyond dysfunctional and in some instances, the kids would be much better off in the care of a loving set of parents, even if they were gay. Not the ideal situation, but far better than the one they came from. Sometimes, you have to settle for what's best at the moment, rather than what's prefect.

I just have real problems with government dictating what you can or cannot do. Just look at California for instance. They have ruled that home schooling is illegal, what is an outrage. That is what happens when government becomes the parent, rather than the parents themselves.


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Postby Drop Zone » Tue Jun 03, 2008 2:35 pm

wackemstackem wrote:Your either gay or not gay,you dont wake up one day gay.I dont think a child brought up by gay parents will become gay.
I think the problem is that bisexual relationships fail more often and dont last as long as heterosexual relationships.Theirfor adoption in some cases I think may be iresponsable.


Sorry but I couldn't read any further without commenting on this..might have already been commented on but I'm not reading 3 pages to find out.

That's like saying if you are raised in an abusive houshold you aren't likely to grow up and be violent or abusive. Same as saying that if your dad and mom turn into an alchoholics when you turn 2 and stay that way the rest of your life then you're not likely to grow up and do the same thing. That's just plain stupid. Kids imulate their parents and want to be like them when they grow up. Kids raised by gay "parents" are highly likely to become gay...period. Yes there will always be exceptions to every rule, but the vast majority of kids raised by gays will grow up to be the same way.

I do not believe that anyone that is gay should be allowed to be involved in any way with children during their developemental years. Kids have enough problems without being confused by someone they look up to telling them that "being" with someone from the same sex is just fine. If you are gay that is your choice, and yes it is a choice, but don't push your agenda on the future of this country. I don't have a problem with gays as long as they don't jump up and down telling everyone they are gay, and screaming about how they have no rights. If you want rights do the right thing. Next. :hammer:
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Postby Preacher1011 » Tue Jun 03, 2008 4:20 pm

Drop Zone wrote:
wackemstackem wrote:Your either gay or not gay,you dont wake up one day gay.I dont think a child brought up by gay parents will become gay.
I think the problem is that bisexual relationships fail more often and dont last as long as heterosexual relationships.Theirfor adoption in some cases I think may be iresponsable.


Sorry but I couldn't read any further without commenting on this..might have already been commented on but I'm not reading 3 pages to find out.

That's like saying if you are raised in an abusive houshold you aren't likely to grow up and be violent or abusive. Same as saying that if your dad and mom turn into an alchoholics when you turn 2 and stay that way the rest of your life then you're not likely to grow up and do the same thing. That's just plain stupid. Kids imulate their parents and want to be like them when they grow up. Kids raised by gay "parents" are highly likely to become gay...period. Yes there will always be exceptions to every rule, but the vast majority of kids raised by gays will grow up to be the same way.

I do not believe that anyone that is gay should be allowed to be involved in any way with children during their developemental years. Kids have enough problems without being confused by someone they look up to telling them that "being" with someone from the same sex is just fine. If you are gay that is your choice, and yes it is a choice, but don't push your agenda on the future of this country. I don't have a problem with gays as long as they don't jump up and down telling everyone they are gay, and screaming about how they have no rights. If you want rights do the right thing. Next. :hammer:


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Postby dudejcb » Wed Jun 04, 2008 9:36 am

Drop Zone,

You raise a good point. There is often a cycle of violence or other dysfunction handed down from one generatio to the next... as Hank Williams Jr. used to say "family traditon.

However, while most kids do want to emulate their parents up until about the age of twelve, at some point they suddenly realize their parents are totally uncool. That's about the time when they begin to notice their friends parents (who may or may not be cooler, or are simply different from theirs) and they want to be really different from their parents when they grow up. they want to be different from their parents. so no one rule governs all.

Some gays make good parents and some make bad parents. Just like the rest of us.
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Postby Drop Zone » Wed Jun 04, 2008 11:55 am

Oh, most kids do "rebel" against their parents or at least do as you said and not imulate them as they did when they were younger but keep in mind that what you learn/how you were raised is deeply ingrained. My biggest point was that I do not believe that gays should have the ability to hold a job, volunteer for a job (including parenting) that puts them in direct contact with children during their developemental years... ie teachers, counselors, church officials, and so on. Just as I do not think that someone that is found to be an outwardly spoken racist or any other radical should be in contact with children during this stage of their life. Like I said, I don't have a problem with gays if I don't know they are gay. All they have to do is act like any other normal american. If they weren't so boisturous and didn't call so much attention to themselves then they would be much more widely accepted in this country. It is a proven fact that the majority of kids grow up to have the same morals, beliefs, habits and traits that their parents have...and are highly influenced by the other adult athority figures that they look up to. It's the sole reason that you work as hard as you do to raise your kids the way you do...If your theory held true about kids not being highly affected by their parents then parenting would be easy...just let them do whatever they want b/c when they turn 12 they'll figure it out from little Johny and his parents. Look all I am saying is gays have chosen the lifestyle and in turn have knowingly chosen to be targeted and descriminated against. Gays aren't born gay, period. Most gay people started out dating people of the opposite sex and explored into the darkness of homosexuality...and liked it for some reason. Most of them before this were admittedly in love with someone from the opposite sex, many were even married and have children, but for some reason they decided to change. There are some with chemical/biological imbalances but those are the vast minority. There are a lot of gays that were just confused as teens and followed the lead of another confused teen. All of these, with exception of the ones born with chemical/biological imbalances, were choices that the individual made. I don't want these people to have the opportunity to all the sudden decide to push their principles, morals and ethics on todays youth. Like I said before, our youth has enough problems with gangs and drugs and should not be placed in a situation where they are raised by gays. IT"S CONFUSING TO THE CHILD and adds more stress than they need. All through school they will be ridiculed b/c they have 2 daddy's or 2 mommy's. Thats waaaayyyy worse than naming your kid "dog crap" and you would never consider doing that would you??? Kids get hammered all their childhood b/c of their name, something they did, they're fat, they have red hair, they have pimples, they farted in class... Why add the stress of making them explain to the other kids, and adults, that they have 2 dads or 2 moms??? The only people that are being "hurt" by not allowing gays to adopt would be the gays, and again that's the choice they made. Every choice people make has a consequence, most of the time you know the consequences when you make the choice, so make your choices accordingly. Everytime I walk to the door of a plane I have a choice to make, jump out or don't. I choose to jump out, so I face the consequences of outragous life insurance, and the possibility of getting seriously injured or killed. Because I make this choice should a law be passed that I should pay the same amount of life insurance as the guy that doesn't jump out of planes at 14,000 feet??? No...not no, but he!! no. I made the choice so I live with the consequences. Now, I've gotten a little off base here but bottom line...IMO I don't think it is healthy for our society to allow gay adoption. Just too many unnecessary and unfortunate consequnces to put on an unsuspecting and innocent child.

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Postby bluewing77 » Wed Jun 04, 2008 12:22 pm

Drop Zone wrote:what you learn/how you were raised is deeply ingrained ...the majority of kids grow up to have the same morals, beliefs, habits and traits that their parents have...and are highly influenced by the other adult athority figures that they look up to. It's the sole reason that you work as hard as you do to raise your kids the way you do...


agreed! why else would so many of us end up being alot like our dads? now what to do about those alcoholic, abusive, lazy, unemployed, dead beat dads.....

gays have chosen the lifestyle and in turn have knowingly chosen to be targeted and descriminated against. Gays aren't born gay, period. Most gay people started out dating people of the opposite sex and explored into the darkness of homosexuality...and liked it for some reason. Most of them before this were admittedly in love with someone from the opposite sex, many were even married and have children, but for some reason they decided to change. There are some with chemical/biological imbalances but those are the vast minority. There are a lot of gays that were just confused as teens and followed the lead of another confused teen. All of these, were choices that the individual made.


quite clear which side of the "Nature vs. Nurture" argument you are on. also sounds like you know/interact with quite a few people who "bat for the other team".
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Postby Drop Zone » Wed Jun 04, 2008 12:58 pm

bluewing77 wrote:agreed! why else would so many of us end up being alot like our dads? now what to do about those alcoholic, abusive, lazy, unemployed, dead beat dads.....

quite clear which side of the "Nature vs. Nurture" argument you are on. also sounds like you know/interact with quite a few people who "bat for the other team".


1st: there are laws to protect children from the abusive fathers you speak of and I strongly support those laws as I am sure you do. I'm sure you would also agree that they should be tougher and enforced better too.

2nd: Yes I tried to make myself clear as to what my beliefs are. Nature vs. Nature...what the heck is natural about 2 men having sex with each other...or 2 women. If it was natural you would see it in primates, and ducks for that matter. Yes humans are more complex than other animals but what is natural is sex between a man and a woman...period. God didn't make 2 Adams or 2 Eves, but he did give adam and eve's kids the brain to make choices with.

Now don't get me wrong, I have nothing against 2 women have sex :yes: ....but raising children together and teaching their beleifs are a whole different story. Seriously, I have nothing against people being gay, that is their God given right...the right to make choices in life. But if God wanted them to have children he would have made it possible by natural means. Ya get my point??? I'm not saying you have to agree with my point, just asking if you understand it.

And if you were somehow trying to insinuate that I was gay, or get me all fired up...not going to happen. BTW: the "darkness of homosexuality" comments was used for effect. Don't be so over dramatic...or is that a natural tendency you have? :rofl: J/K...hope you can take a joke.
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Postby bluewing77 » Wed Jun 04, 2008 1:12 pm

i dont think youre gay. nor was i trying to get you "all fired up", but i do think it funny when other people do on occasion get all fired up. gotta love the off season drama.
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Postby dudejcb » Wed Jun 04, 2008 1:42 pm

Drop Zone wrote:Now don't get me wrong, I have nothing against 2 women have sex :yes: ....but raising children together and teaching their beleifs are a whole different story. .

Lesbianism never turned me on, but it seems to be pretty popular for a lot of guys, and I never got the double standard where man on man gay is so abhorrant (which I agree with) yet woman on woman gay is hot (which I'm ambivalent towards). (and why are the lesbians on TV so good looking, while those we see in real life could get work as scare crows?)

I have some friends that get really excited by lesbian "action" and are total male homophobes. just a paradoxical observation.
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Postby David » Wed Jun 04, 2008 1:48 pm

Drop Zone wrote:If it was natural you would see it in primates, and ducks for that matter.


You do see it in nature.
With ducks, I know I've seen mallards go at it. And here is an article on a couple of ducks.
http://www.thelocal.se/article.php?ID=3 ... e=20060407

I've seen male dogs try to hump each other.

Here are homo dolphins.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=b0vGamcQIYs

I'm sure you can find it in primates also.

I can't say I'm in favor of homosexuality, but it does occur in nature, so that argument isn't valid.
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