don taylor wrote:No torture of any kind dude?
You have the SOB who just kidnapped your son, he won't tell you where he is. How long until until you start pulling out fingernails? How long before you stop asking nicely and start acting like any father would? LOTS of people feel the same way about America. I myself served my country and would have no problem extracting information from a enemy combatant. The people who have made there way into a interrogation room with the USA's finest are not there because of random sweeps of civilians walking down the street, These are people that are caught trying to kill American soldiers and you think some may be innocent? You want to give them trials here? Great, first let's put them on trial for the attempted murder of US soldiers, Punishable by death. America has just enough candy ass fags to keep us from winning this war and coming home.
Your a confusing guy dude. I can tell you aren't native Idaho stock. How do you get Ultra Liberal on some of these issues? We get a common theme through a dozen guys and you post. You always take the liberal route on these issues. I just don't understand why. You have to be hiding a degree from Berkley or some other extremist school. What gives?
Okay Don. If you want to get down and dirty, fine. I take the liberal slant because it's too easy to just jump on the bandwagon and get with the mob non-thinking mentality. It's cheap. It's easy, And it doesn't require much thought. Additioanlly, few others opn DHC have the balls, or the cogent arguments, to present an even half vast alternative view. So I take it upon myself to try and get you to listen the the better angels of your nature.
Most of the guys who agree with me (even a little) don't bother posting. I get their PM's of support though. they figure, probably accurately, that you all are lost cause and not worth the aggravation. They are probably right, but I reach out anyway. Hope does spring eternal. So let's get to it.
If I knew for an absolute fact I had the guy who kidanpped my son I would probably pull his finger nails out. In fact my older brother and I were kidanpped once, but we escaped, and wer albe to put one guyy in jail becasue I knew who he was. i also knew hiw hlpers (they all had prison records and pictures) but they never got caught.
However, the question for us is, do we really know have the right guys. In several instances we have been bamboozled by Afghani's and Iraqi's where they captured and turned in their long time enemies (or even just anyone who was handy) and then portrayed them to us as bad guys, so we would rid them of their competition, or so they could get a reward. The devil is in the details and frankly we, often as not, don't really know squat! Have you heard of, or noticed, that several of the JAG prosecutors are now on the isde of the defense because we have cooked the evidence, or abridged our basic system of justice to the point they can no longer stand by silently.
The Isreali's don't use torture because the results it delivers are unreliable. There are better techniques, that don't sully our reputation and put our own troops at risk simply becasue we lowered our humanity standards bar.
Some of those we have captured ourselves probably are guilty. Some that have been handed over are proabably guilty as well. maybe some are not. who can say, we don't have the information nat our disposal so cannot make an inormed judegement, It has to be taken on faith. Our government (the Bush boys) won't share the intel saying it's cloaked in national security. Yeah, maybe it is, but there shouyld be people who can know without it becoming public knowlege, but they refuse to let anyone see it so it can be evaluated by anyone other than themselves. So, don't you see the slippery slope that comes with trying people in secret with secret evidence that cannot be vetted? If that becomes the standard then I will be the one they pick up next and sent to trial for giving the hard arse DHC guys an alternative point of view.
Your friend. Dude
BTW: I attende the University of Wisconsin as a biology major for one year, and later graduted forn Cal Poly, Pomona with a degree is civil engineering. I was taught to think freely and for myself by my parents, who later lamented that I (and my borthers and sisters) thought more freely than they wanted... They were Nixon Repuclicans until Watergate. The they hedged their bets cuz neither side was ll that reliable in the long term.