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Postby Preacher1011 » Mon Jun 30, 2008 2:51 pm

I went and asked him what they said again, and he said it was 10 yards not 20. My mistake, I got the numbers mixed up and a fairly bad one at that.

I thought you had the John Deere avatar, but that was LaRedneck not you. That makes two things that I got mixed up today.
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Postby La. Hunter » Mon Jun 30, 2008 3:39 pm

Preacher1011 wrote:I went and asked him what they said again, and he said it was 10 yards not 20. My mistake, I got the numbers mixed up and a fairly bad one at that.

I thought you had the John Deere avatar, but that was LaRedneck not you. That makes two things that I got mixed up today.


Keep in mind that there are many factors affecting your decision to shoot or not to shoot. Just because they are within that distance doesn't make them a definate threat.
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Postby littlegray_2000 » Mon Jun 30, 2008 4:17 pm

don taylor wrote:As far as not having the stones to shoot and hit someone, I don't have much to respond with. I assure you, there will be one or more criminals taking trips in ambulances if my family is threatened. As far as a charging attacker, I'm coming right at the threat. Bring it.


Don Taylor,

I don't believe that any one accused you of not having the "stones" to shoot anyone or accused you of not being a good marksman. Other DHC members any myself have only stated things that express the responsibilities that come with OC. As go for my comment "family watching you in a gun battle or getting shot" this is something that my fellow police officers and I think about when we are off duty and carrying. I encourage you to read about Mark Wilson and the Smith County Courthouse shooting in Tyler, TX. After reading about it place your self in Wilson's shoes and put your family right there next to you. If after thinking of this you still say that you will charge the attacker then more power to you. I will even praise you for having the courage to stand up and face the danger. Trust me if I am in a fight for my life and a armed citizen helps me I will be most thankful.

Since it seems you have already made up your mind to OC I encourage you not make law enforcment wonder if you are on the "good half" just make it loud and clear.

Here are somethings for everyone to think about:
bad guys generally plan their crimes (you would)
If they did plan it they may have body armor or high power weapons
There maybe more than one (for instance the guy you don't see that is standing behind you).
A gun is nothing more than a tool used to eject a projectile with the intention on desrtoying something.

For all of the people that do carry (concealed or OC), obey the laws, and are helping make this country a better place a sincere thank you goes out to you. By the way I am pro 2nd Amendment.
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Postby Preacher1011 » Mon Jun 30, 2008 4:36 pm

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Preacher1011 wrote:I went and asked him what they said again, and he said it was 10 yards not 20. My mistake, I got the numbers mixed up and a fairly bad one at that.

I thought you had the John Deere avatar, but that was LaRedneck not you. That makes two things that I got mixed up today.


Keep in mind that there are many factors affecting your decision to shoot or not to shoot. Just because they are within that distance doesn't make them a definate threat.


That's not exactly what I was saying. What I was saying was that if they run from 10 yards at you with a knife you don't have enough time to draw and shoot them because they can run faster than you can react.
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Postby shoot-n-goose » Mon Jun 30, 2008 5:23 pm

Maybe if they had the knife hidden and started to run at you, but if i saw a guy standing 10yrds away with i knife, i'm sure my hand would already be on the gun.
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Postby pennsyltucky » Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:02 pm

littlegray_2000 wrote:Are you trying to say that police officers purposely disarming people.
yes. a few are very much against the public having/carrying/owning and there are plenty of stories of it happening. certainly not all of them. obviously...
I am a police officer and am greatly offended by that.
you shouldnt be.
I work with the public everyday and have never taken a firearm away from any one unless they were committing a crime or had an illegal weapon (sawed off shot gun).
good. :smile: sorry for sounding like i was talkin about all cops.
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Postby browning3.5 » Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:17 pm

in readin most posts on here i find it shocking how many of yall would rather turn away your amendment right/state laws than to embrace it. sure it may cause people to look at you differently, but not be scared and cause widespread panic in the streets. maybe its just because i live in the south but its not uncommon to see people carrying fire arms around doing day to day things, and if people are so caught up in saying "i'd rather not deal with the hastels" then you same people shouldnt complain when the government decides to take away that same amendment that no one decided to stand up for. i say keep your gun wherever your law states you can, and coming from a law enforcement angle i should say that more than 60% of police officers wouldnt think twice about you carrying just as long as you did it to the laws guidelines and had the right licences and that is coming from both my grandfather and my father are police officers as well as im going through the academy. i think with the "lazy" perspective some have on this subject is exactly whats gonna lead to outlaws which will keep us unarmed and no hunting. just my point of view though.
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Postby littlegray_2000 » Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:24 pm

pennsyltucky,

I thank you for your apology and I apologize for not understanding your comment (not all cops). I regretfully admitt that there are police officers that do want to outlaw all guns. I strongly disagree with them. The only people the laws will affect are the people who obey the laws.
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Postby littlegray_2000 » Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:42 pm

Since I don't want to steal the thread I am going to start a new one. It is going to be about Handgun Laws in your state in refernece to carrying them.
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Postby don taylor » Tue Jul 01, 2008 5:03 am

Sorry about the hostile sounding reply. I was trying to make some things a little less fuzzy and clearly evoke a response from you guys. There seems to be a definite time when CC is more appropriate than OC. Its is the situation your going to be in that should help decide.

As far as the rest goes, I'm never going to leave my families fate in the hands of the criminal. I will always take any situation to the source. I feel what your saying about criminals planning. I would hope to disrupt their plans. Or better yet, end their plans.
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Postby pennsyltucky » Mon Jul 21, 2008 5:08 am

so don, are you still oc'ing? any stories?
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Postby Montanafowler » Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:09 am

ooh, ooh, they open carried at my zoo, i was so happy! :biggrin:
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Postby don taylor » Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:20 am

pennsyltucky wrote:so don, are you still oc'ing? any stories?


I've been followed through the Home Depot on several instances. I wasn't sure if they wanted me out, were checking me out, or didn't believe that I wasn't stealing anything. I now get personal escorts in the depot.

I also started to OC every once in a while on my motorcycles. That's something else. How courteous people are when they see the gun on your hip is the best thing about it.

I also carried at the Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix. I saw 4 others OC'n and struck up conversation. Seems most of them had been confronted earlier and the police were made aware. Not a problem all day.
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Postby pennsyltucky » Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:21 am

when i get the LTCF i plan on OC'n some,(i know i dont need it, but it would be a pain to drive around) but i really doubt ill get any backlash in such a small town. ive seen lots of guys in the bank or the store during hunting season OCing their hunting arms.

the stories are interesting. keep em coming regardles of what some of the guys on here think :thumbsup:
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Postby rmh » Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:26 am

Just kidding sort of but will you OC at the Great Stone(y)boro Fair?
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Postby devildog28 » Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:56 pm

I have a few thoughts, hopefully I'm understood and not offensive.

I think there are pros and cons to each. I'm surprised after all these posts no one mentioned that oc could possibly deter someone from assailing you. But I might have missed that post. On the other hand it might prompt a test of you.

I agree that not everyone should carry in any manner but there are laws ensuring that. And I think everyone should be thoroughly familiar with their weapon. I carry mine all the time and its just like carrying a cell phone to me. But then I carried a machine gun for years in the marines. I have no problem killing someone that threatens my life, I've become used to it after having to do it numerous times. I had my neighbor go ballistic one night while I was safely unloading my pistol. I told her off without threatening her, and vocalized my rights. I live in tx where there is no oc but I feel like I could draw my sig just as fast if needed.

I get looks and comments all the time from people when I transport my various weapons, but they can kiss my a%#.
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Postby pennsyltucky » Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:26 am

rmh wrote:Just kidding sort of but will you OC at the Great Stone(y)boro Fair?



i plan to, but ill have to walk there if i dont get my butt in gear to get the LTCF... besides, what might you know about the (not-so) great stoney-b fair?
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Postby rmh » Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:31 am

Been there before, say 30 years ago. Went to college with a kid from Stoneboro and the fair was sort of an inside joke with a bunch of us, including him. I'm from just a few miles east anyway.
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Postby don taylor » Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:40 am

Devildog, Its not in good taste to unholster and handle a firearm in public. What reason do you have to unload a firearm in public? I just don't see any possible reason. I'm not trying to bust your balls. I tend to fall on the Kiss My A... side of the argument, but you have to resist the urge to handle a loaded pistol in public places. It just doesn't foster good opinions about guns and their owners.
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Postby devildog28 » Tue Jul 22, 2008 7:40 am

don taylor wrote:Devildog, Its not in good taste to unholster and handle a firearm in public. What reason do you have to unload a firearm in public? I just don't see any possible reason. I'm not trying to bust your balls. I tend to fall on the Kiss My A... side of the argument, but you have to resist the urge to handle a loaded pistol in public places. It just doesn't foster good opinions about guns and their owners.


I guess I was misinterputed, the only time I take it out in view is to safely unload it outside pointing towards the grass. I live in an apartment with people above and below and if something were to happen inside a bullet could go through the floor or ceiling. Also I have to park several yards away so I have no choice but to carry a weapon in view when going to the range etc. Most people just strike up a conversation about hunting or shooting with me

I never go out of my to offend, but safety and common sense come first everytime
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Postby La. Hunter » Fri Aug 08, 2008 11:30 pm

Any updates Don?
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Postby DuckinFool » Sat Aug 09, 2008 9:45 am

If osama Obama gets elected and gets to pick a couple of liberal Supreme Court nominees it will no longer be a question of carry or not carry or conceal or open. It will become will I even be able to own a peashooter. He is already on record saying he believes the Supreme Court ruling on the second amendment was a bad decision. No surprise here knowing Obama is part of that gun grabbing bunch of thugs in Chicago ala Turbin Durbin and Daley. :mad:
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Postby Preacher1011 » Sat Aug 09, 2008 11:10 pm

I went to the OC once and it was full of liberals.
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Postby devildog28 » Sat Aug 09, 2008 11:54 pm

DuckinFool wrote:If osama Obama gets elected and gets to pick a couple of liberal Supreme Court nominees it will no longer be a question of carry or not carry or conceal or open. It will become will I even be able to own a peashooter. He is already on record saying he believes the Supreme Court ruling on the second amendment was a bad decision. No surprise here knowing Obama is part of that gun grabbing bunch of thugs in Chicago ala Turbin Durbin and Daley. :mad:


I don't think that even if he gets elected and appoints liberal judges that it wouldmake a difference. Supreme Court Justices are lifetime appointments, and I don't see the conservatives retiring anytime soon.

Think of it this way. If the dem congress retains the majority (which is unlikely given their performance) any law they make will get shot down by the supreme court.

Like I've said before I think him getting elected is very dangerous given his socialist/liberal views.
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Postby RightWing » Sun Aug 10, 2008 12:12 am

jaysweet3 wrote:I need to move. Illinois has become such a liberal state. Il and Wisconsin are the two states that have total bans on carrying, open or concealed. All the while Chicago has the highest murder rate in the country. If we are accosted in any matter we are to call the police. They can come well after the fact and fill out a report. Typical liberalism, the government know better and will take care of us.


Very, very sad.....and in a place that needs CCW the most.

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http://www.handgunlaw.us/

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You probably didn't hear about 1 or 3 since it was black on white crime.....and I'm not a racist, I just hate thugs and have noticed a pattern.
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