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Baracks 50 lies

Postby msmall » Mon Jul 28, 2008 7:10 am

This attachment was sent to me in an email. I thought some may find it interesting ......


Barak Obama - 50 Lies and Counting: Posted on Political
forum.com - Elections and Campaigns

1.) Selma Got Me Born - LIAR, your parents felt safe enough to
have you in 1961 - Selma had no effect on your birth, as Selma
was in 1965.

2.) Father Was A Goat Herder - LIAR, he was a privileged, well
educated youth, who went on to work with the Kenyan Government.

3.) Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter - LIAR, he was part of
one of the most corrupt and violent governments Kenya has ever had

4.) My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom - LIAR, your
cousin Raila Odinga has created mass violence in attempting to overturn a
legitimate election in 2007, in Kenya . It is the first widespread violence
in decades.

5.) My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian - LIAR, she
does her daily Salat prayers at 5am according to her own interviews. Not to
mention, Christianity wouldn't allow her to have been one of 14 wives to 1
man.

6.) My Name is African Swahili - LIAR, your name is Arabic and
'Baraka' (from which Barack came) means 'blessed' in that language. Hussein
is also Arabic and so is Obama.

7.) I Never Practiced Islam - LIAR, you practiced it daily at
school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31
years,until your wife made you change, so you could run for office.

8.) My School In Indonesia Was Christian - LIAR, you were
registered as Muslim there and got in trouble in Koranic Studies for making
faces (check your own book).

9.) I Was Fluent In Indonesian - LIAR, not one teacher says
you could speak the language.

10.) Because I Lived In Indonesia , I Have More Foreign
Experience - LIAR, you were there from the ages of 6 to 10, and couldn't
even speak the language. What did you learn, how to study the Koran and
watch cartoons.

11.) I Am Stronger On Foreign Affairs - LIAR, e xcept for
Africa (surprise) and the Middle East (bigger surprise), you have never
been anywhere else on the planet and thus have NO experience with our
closest allies.

12.) I Blame My Early Drug Use On Ethnic Confusion - LIAR, you
were quite content in high school to be Barry Obama, no mention of Kenya
and no mention of struggle to identify - your classmates said you were just
fine.

13.)An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office - LIAR, Ebony
has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never
did, exist.

14.) A Life Magazine Article Changed My Outlook On Life -
LIAR, Life has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It
doesn't, and never did, exist.

15.) I Won't Run On A National Ticket In '08 - LIAR, here you
are, despite saying, live on TV, that you would not have enough experience
by then, and you are all about having experience first.

16.) Present Votes Are Common In Illinois - LIAR, they are
common for YOU, but not many others have 130 NO VOTES.

17.) Oops, I Misvoted - LIAR, only when caught by church
groups and democrats, did you beg to change your misvote.

18.) I Was A Professor Of Law - LIAR, you were a senior
lecturer ON LEAVE.

19.) I Was A Constitutional Lawyer - LIAR, you were a senior
lecturer ON LEAVE.

20.) Without Me, There Would Be No Ethics Bill - LIAR, you
didn't write it,introduce it, change it, or create it.

21.) The Ethics Bill Was Hard To Pass - LIAR, it took just 14
days from start to finish.

22.) I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill - LIAR, your bill was rejected
by your own party for its pandering and lack of all regulation -
mainly because of your Nuclear Donor, Exelon, from which David Axelrod
came.

23.) I Have Released My State Records - LIAR, as of March,
2008, state bills you sponsored or voted for have yet to be released,
exposing all the special interests pork hidden within.

24.) I Took On The Asbestos Altgeld Gardens Mess - LIAR, you
were part of a large group of people who remedied Altgeld Gardens . You
failed to mention anyone else but yourself, in your books.

25.) My Economics Bill Will Help America - LIAR, your 111
economic policies were just combined into a proposal which lost 99-0, and
even YOU voted against your own bill.

26.) I Have Been A Bold Leader In Illinois - LIAR, even your
own supporters claim to have not seen BOLD action on your part.

27.) I Passed 26 Of My Own Bills In One Year - LIAR, they were
not YOUR bills, but rather handed to you, after their creation by a fellow
Senator, to assist you in a future bid for higher office.

28.) No One Contacted Canada About NAFTA - LIAR, the Candian
Government issued the names and a memo of the conversation your campaign
had with them.

29.) I Am Tough On Terrorism - LIAR, you missed the Iran
Resolution vote on terrorism and your good friend Ali Abunimah supports the
destruction of Israel.

30.) I Am Not Acting As President Yet - LIAR, after the NAFTA
Memo, a dead terrorist in the FARC, in Colombia, was found with a letter
stating how you and he were working together on getting FARC recognized
officially.

31.) I Didn't Run Ads In Florida - LIAR, you allowed national
ads to run 8-12 times per day for two weeks - and you still lost.

32.) I Won Michigan - LIAR, no you didn't.

33.) I won Nevada - LIAR, no you did not.

34.) I Want All Votes To Count - LIAR, you said let the
delegates decide.

35..) I Want Americans To Decide - LIAR, you prefer caucuses
that limit the vote, confuse the voters, force a public vote, and only
operate during small windows of time.

36.) I passed 900 Bills in the State Senate - LIAR, you passed
26, most of which you didn't write yourself.

37.) My Campaign Was Extorted By A Friend - LIAR, that friend
is threatening to sue if you do not stop saying this. Obama has stopped
saying this.

38.) I Believe In Fairness, Not Tactics - LIAR, you used tactics to eliminate
Alice Palmer from running against you.

39.) I Don't Take PAC Money - LIAR, you take loads of it.

40.) I don't Have Lobbysists - LIAR, you have over 47
lobbyists, and counting.

41.) My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad - LIAR,
your own campaign worker made the ad on his Apple in one afternoon.

42.) My Campaign Never Took Over MySpace - LIAR, Tom, who
started MySpace issued a warning about this advertising to MySpace clients.

43.) I Inspire People With My Words - LIAR, you inspire people
with other people's words.

44.) I Have Passed Bills In The U.S. Senate - LIAR, you have
passed A BILL in the U.S. Senate - for Africa , which shows YOUR
priorities.

45.) I Have Always Been Against Iraq - LIAR, you weren't in
office to vote against it AND you have voted to fund it every single time,
unlike Kucinich, who seems to be out gutting you Obama. You also seem to be
stepping back from your departure date - AGAIN.

46.) I Have Always Supported Universal Health Care - LIAR,
your plan leaves us all to pay the 15,000,000 who don't have to buy it.

47) I Only Found Out About My Investment Conflicts Via Mail -
LIAR, both companies you site as having sent you letters about this
conflict have no record of any such letter ever being created or sent.

48.) I Am As Patriotic As Anyone - LIAR, you won't wear a flag
pin and you don't put your hand over your heart during the Anthem.

49.) My Wife Didn't Mean What She Said About Pride In Country
- LIAR, your wife's words follow lock-step in the vain of Wright and
Farrahkan, in relation to their contempt and hatred of America .

50.) Wal-Mart Is A Company I Wouldn't Support - LIAR, your
wife has received nearly a quarter of a million dollars through Treehouse,
which is connected to Wal-Mart.
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Postby Tom Phillips* » Mon Jul 28, 2008 8:20 am

David wrote:http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/50lies.asp


Snopes is unreliable. It is HUGELY biased. This analysis pefectly show it. SNOPES is NOT reliable for truth.
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Postby David » Mon Jul 28, 2008 8:24 am

Care to elaborate Tom*?
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Postby jokoboy » Mon Jul 28, 2008 8:25 am

Just to play the devils advocate, here is 50 McCain flip flops. Just to point out, people can manipulate anything you say to use it against you, and i don't trust any politicians, i just deal with them.

1. Privatizing Social Security - McCain opposed privatizing Social Security but now he supports it.
2. Iraq Troop Withdrawal - McCain said if the Iraqi govt asked American troops to leave he would support that decision. Now McCain oppose that position.
3. Tax Cuts - McCain supported tax cuts for the wealthy after opposing them in 2001.
4. Judges - McCain flip flops on judges depending on the crowd. He tells conservatives he wants to clone Alito and Roberts. He tells independents and Democrats that he supports Breyer and Ginsburg.
5. Torture - McCain was against torture, now he's for torture.
6. Negotiating with Hamas - McCain said that it was okay to negotiate with Hamas in 2006. Now he opposes it.
7. Bush Third Term - McCain says he is not running for Bush's third term yet says that he agrees with George W Bush on all the transcendent issues of the day.
8. Agents Of Intolerance - McCain called Falwell and Robertson agents of intolerance. Now they are no longer such.
9. 527s - McCain opposes 527s being used in presidential campaigns, McCain now supports 527s being used in presidential campaigns.
10. Gramm's Whiner Comment - McCain supports Phil Gramm's Americans are whiners comment but later in the day disagrees with this comment.
11. Economic Expertise - McCain says he is not an expert on the economy. McCain now claims he is an expert.
12. Illegal Wiretapping - McCain said that Bush's wiretapping program was illegal. Now McCain says it is legal.
13. Habeas Corpus - McCain used to support habeas corpus for detainees at Gitmo and other places. Now McCain opposes habeas corpus for these same detainees.
14. Everglades Restoration - McCain supported restoring and saving the Everglades. McCain now opposes it.
15. Gay Couple Legal Contracts - McCain opposed legal contracts for gay couples. McCain said on the Ellen Degeneris show that he supports such contracts.
16. GI Bill - Mccain opposed the GI Bill but now claims he supported it.
17. Military Service Exploitation - McCain says he would never exploit his military service while running for office. McCain now exploits his military service while running for office.
18. Roe v. Wade - McCain opposed overturning Roe v. Wade. McCain now supports overturning Roe v. Wade.
19. States Rights On Abortion - McCain supports federal legislation banning abortion after saying that abortion should be left to the states.
20. ANWR - McCain opposes drilling in ANWR, now supports drilling in ANWR.
21. Offshore Drilling - McCain opposes drilling within 60 miles of American coastlines. McCain now supports drilling within 60 miles of American coastlines.
22. Role of States in Drilling - McCain believed that drilling offshore should be left to the states. Now McCain wants that decision made by the federal government.
23. MLK Holiday - McCain voted against a MLK holiday. Now he supports it.
24. Windfall Profits Tax - McCain supported the windfall profits tax, McCain opposes the windfall profits tax.
25. Filibuster of Judges - McCain supports filibustering judges. McCain opposes filibustering judges.
26. Confederate Flag - McCain calls flying the Confederate flag a symbol of heritage. McCain later denounces himself.
27. Civil Unions - McCain supports civil unions for gay and lesbian couples, then 30 seconds later McCain opposes civil unions for gay and lesbian couples.
28. Constitutional Ban On Gay Marriage - McCain opposed a constitutional ban on gay marriage, McCain now supports a constitutional ban on gay marriage.
29. Yucca Mountain - McCain says that people in Nevada who oppose nuclear waste being dumped in Yucca Mountain have a NIMBY problem. McCain opposes nuclear waste being dumped in his own town.
30. Undue Lobbyist Influence - McCain is against undue lobbyist influence. Now McCain's campaign is controlled almost entirely by lobbyists.
31. Abortion Exceptions - McCain supported exceptions for abortion in cases of rape, incest or to sae the life of the mother. Now he won't.
32. Defense Cuts - McCain opposed spending cuts for defense. Now McCain is willing to support them if corporate tax rates are reduced.
33. Waterboarding - Mccain said waterboarding is torture. McCain now says waterboarding is an extra measure and not necessarily torture.
34. Mandatory Caps - McCain used to support mandatory cap and trade policies on emissions. Now he opposes them.
35. Citizenship for Immigrants - McCain supported a bill with his own name on it allowing illegal immigrants a path to citizenship. Now McCain opposes his own bill.
36. Flying The Confederate Flag - McCain supports flying the Confederate flag at the South Carolina statehouse. McCain does not support flying the Confederate flag at the South Carolina statehouse.
37. Bush Tax Policies - McCain opposed Bush's tax policies that hurt the middle class. McCain now supports Bush's tax policies that hurt the middle class and is their biggest advocate.
38. South African Divestment - McCain opposed South African divestment. Now he supports it.
39. Alternative Minimum Tax - McCain supported phasing out the Alternative Minimum Tax. Now he opposes it.
40. Estate Tax Repeal - McCain opposed, as recently as 2006, plans to repeal the estate tax on estates valued in the millions. Now McCain wants to repeal the estate tax.
41. North Korea Negotiations - McCain opposed negotiating with the President of North Korea. After Bush negotiated with President Kim Jung Il, McCain supported it.
42. Iraq + Stay The Course - McCain supported Rumsfield policies of stay the course in Iraq. McCain now claims he never supported such policies.
43. Creationism - McCain opposed creationism being taught as Science in public schools. Now McCain supports them.
44. Time of Offshore Drilling - McCain said that offshore drilling would take years. Now he says it would help in the short term.
45. Campaign Finance Reform - McCain supported a grassroots campaign finance reform lobbying bill with Senator Russ Feingold. Now he opposes key provisions in it.
46. Immigration Act - McCain cosponsored a Development Relief and Education Aliens Minor Act for immigrants. Now he opposes it.
47. Fidel Castro - McCain supported negotiating with Fidel Castro in 2000 but opposes negotiating with Castro or Cuba in 2008.
48. Pakistan - McCain opposed unilateral action against terrorists in Pakistan when Obama supported it. Now McCain supports it.
49. Bush's Pioneers - McCain opposed Bush's Pioneer fundraisers as lawbreakers. Now he coopted them.
50. Occupying Muslim Lands - Against it when Clinton was President, now for it.
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Postby don taylor » Mon Jul 28, 2008 8:28 am

It seems like they are trying a little too hard to explain it all away. Even so, if you count the ones like the grandma question, it is still Barack's 39 lies. You only get the" I mispoke" thing once. and they even CYA for him. Just like anything else, you have to be able to discern the BS from the truth.
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Postby David » Mon Jul 28, 2008 8:34 am

Snopes didn't say the whole thing is false or true, they said multiple. Meaning that some are true, some are false. They dispute only 22 of the 50. That leaves 28 unanswered. I simply added the link so that people can figure out what to dismiss and what to go with.
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Postby Tom Phillips* » Mon Jul 28, 2008 8:39 am

David wrote:Care to elaborate Tom*?


I can't cut out and paste the exact words from the site -- but let's start with:

His name. It is arabic. Snope admits it, they just say those words have also entered Swahili.

His family. Some people consider him family. He may not reciprocate. What do the members of his "family" believe? That's pretty important.

His religion. He has a huge Muslim background. Muslims consider him a Muslim. How much detail does one need to go into?

Every possible excuse for an Obama weakness or failing is put up as the primary answer by Snopes. Snopes always does this for Liberals.

Snopes is unreliable for the truth.
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Postby Tom Phillips* » Mon Jul 28, 2008 8:46 am

David wrote:Snopes didn't say the whole thing is false or true, they said multiple. Meaning that [Snopes will put the best possible interpretation to the facts (lie) to cover up for the weaknesses or failing of a Liberal] some are true, some are false. They dispute only 22 of the 50. That leaves 28 unanswered. I simply added the link so that people can figure out what to dismiss and what to go with.


Every possible excuse for an Obama weakness or failing is put up as the primary answer by Snopes. Snopes always does this for Liberals.

Snopes is unreliable for the truth.
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Postby KAhunter » Mon Jul 28, 2008 8:53 am

ok so u find one thing on the internet and you dont know if it is legit, so you go to snopes, another thing on the interent... when did snopes become the end all be all of rumors... just another internet site that can be as biased and untruthful as anywhere else... so there is no reasoning behind jumping to snopes on any of this stuff
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Postby David » Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:01 am

Tom Phillips* wrote:I can't cut out and paste the exact words from the site -- but let's start with:

His name. It is arabic. Snope admits it, they just say those words have also entered Swahili.

Yes they admit it is of Arabic origin.

His family. Some people consider him family. He may not reciprocate. What do the members of his "family" believe? That's pretty important.

I'm not sure which one your talking about here, the "cousin"?

His religion. He has a huge Muslim background. Muslims consider him a Muslim. How much detail does one need to go into?

I'm sure he has a Muslim background, but that doesn't mean he is a practicing Muslim. I have a Jewish background (grandfather), but my father and I are not Jewish. I didn't even learn that my grandfather had been born to Jewish parents until after his death. He was agnostic my whole life.

Every possible excuse for an Obama weakness or failing is put up as the primary answer by Snopes. Snopes always does this for Liberals.

Snopes is unreliable for the truth.



I'm not saying that Snopes isn't at all biased, but they are less biased than the original author of that email. Not you msmall, the original author.
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Postby don taylor » Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:14 am

Your right David. Its isn't the end all of the discussion but Snopes does take some of the fact finding out of the quest for the truth. Where else can you get a breakdown on that kind of stuff? Another thing, Even if snopes is biased, they could only come up with about half. That kinda gives some credibility to the rest of the list.
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