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Postby Brydog » Fri Sep 05, 2008 7:29 am

I found this article to be a rather interesting read about Palin.
It reminds me of the way the Republican party swoons over a person they've NEVER HEARD OF ! But she sure is Purdy.
http://news.yahoo.com/story/ucru/200809 ... henobodies
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Postby pennsyltucky » Fri Sep 05, 2008 7:46 am

Brydog wrote:Apparently this lil' quote has more merit than you can handle huh PT.

"If the Republicans would stop lying and twisting truths, the Democrats would stop telling the truth about them"


Deny it ! Be typically Republican. Your foot fits the shoe nicely. :wink:


how bout this one:
"If the democrats would stop lying and twisting truths, the republicans would stop telling the truth about them"
its stupid and a waste of time to post this crap. its just BS stemming from blind hate of the other side.

brydog, are you always gonna be like this? u cant really think that line has merit? it may fit your extremely biased opinions, but you realize its just that? why do you post things like that and expect respectful answers? :huh:

and yes im a republican. i want the government to stop taxing everything i do. i want them to stop giving out all the money they do get to earmarking and waste. i want to buy my own insurance at a reasonable rate. i actually want to work for my wealth. do these things make me evil to you? do you see your problem? im not twisting anything. the republican party is for (or at least will be again this year after the election) less government, lower taxes, less intrusion, more freedoms, more accountability, and free market capitolism. your party of choice is literally the opposite. thats not lies or spin, brydog. thats a simple basic fact. the democrats are for more government, higher taxes to pay for it, more intrusion by way of government mandated programs that we dont need nor want, less freedom in everyday life, no accountability for your actions, and closed markets.

your democratic party is very much like the bush administration. thats not spin or twist either. he really hurt us in alot of ways, but other that the war (which you all voted for until you decided to go back to your partisan crap), nearly everything he did was right in line with demorcatic policies. he may have taken different approaches, but the results were the same as if your party had done it. less freedom, lower economy, high inflation, high interest, and general fear over the condition of our economy.

most liberals go around bashing conservatives all the while touting conservative principles. you do it as much as anyone. as an example, you posted that email titled "1 billion". there wast a lick of liberal in it. as a matter fact, it was 100% conservative, and ill guarantee it came from one. the problem with liberals like you, is you agree with that piece now when its anonymous, but if it came from bush's website, you would do your very best to bash it and its source.

you really need to step back and look at what your saying. you consistently contradict yourself by posting up your liberal talking points, then talking about freedoms and guns and sluggish economies.... you dont get much respect on here because of your constant smear campaign that we've all already heard on tv. try lookin objectively at issues. stop bitching about bush, he has nothing to do with the real election or the issues involved in it. try to ignore the letter behind the candidates name, and look at what they really offer. if you were honest with yourself, you wouldnt dislike mccain/palin much anymore :thumbsup:

and i like that article about palin. it makes me like her even more that she is an outsider and a regular person. the big difference between her inexperience and obama's inexperience, is he is actually brassy enuf to TRY for the presidency when he has nothing to offer. she is in the VP spot, and was picked... (excellent choice ill add) PICKED by her party. she is a reagan republican who will do great things. i really dont care if she has experience in foreign affairs. dont care. she does have the right ideas to help us here at home, and thats what i care about. to hell with the rest of the world, we got our own problems for now. besides, the pres and VP dont do anything on their own. they are just talkin heads when it comes to foreign stuff. all they do is deliver.... and she has (and will continue to) prove that she is about as good as it gets :thumbsup: one look into who will be pullin the strings behind obama makes me cringe.... and the liberal judges he will appoint? insane that he is even a consideration.
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Postby PL_duckhunter12 » Fri Sep 05, 2008 1:41 pm

[quote="pennsyltucky"] but other that the war (which you all
voted for until you decided to go back to your partisan crap)

when our comander in cheif tells us that there is a country that is a direct threat to us, of course we will vote for the war

then when we found out it was all made up BS to get us to want invade we changed our minds, as any non-ignorant person would

IMO there was no reason to invade iraq instead of afganistan, just my opinion

everything you are saying about liberals also goes for conservatives
as long as it doesn't come from their party its right, thats politics, most people on both sides hate the other side and disagree with whatever they say

it astonishes me how politicians can blatently lie about things, last night mccain said obama will raise taxes when in fact he will cut taxes for 95% of americans, which obama has said multiple times, i don't know where people come up with this stuff

i also don't like how conservatives make it seem like democrats don't give a damn about their country or the troops :thumbsdown:
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Postby SpinnerMan » Fri Sep 05, 2008 2:10 pm

PL_duckhunter12 wrote:IMO there was no reason to invade iraq instead of afganistan, just my opinion
If there was no reason to invade Iraq, then how the hell did any Senator or Congressman vote for it? Do you really think Hillary and all the Dems that voted for it were that stupid and the Republicans that partisan?

Of course there were many reason to invade Iraq in addition to Afghanistan. There were and for the most part are also still very good reasons to invade Iran, Pakistan, North Korea, Syria, Lybia, and a lot of over countries. There are also always good reasons to not invade any of these countries. Iraq was a tough choice as almost every war is. The Revolutionary War was not an easy choice. The Civil War was not an easy choice. The Vietnam War was not an easy choice.

If you think there were no reasons, then your opinion is very bad or you are terribly misinformed.

Iran is the main target in this global war on islamo-fascists. Remember the axis of evil. Iraq, Iran, and North Korea. Iraq (under Saddam Hussein) does not exist any longer. North Korea has greatly reduced weapon sales, just destroyed a nuclear facility and declared its nuclear activities, but there is a long way to go. Iran is the toughest nut to crack, but we are working on it. Whiping out the regimes in two of its neighboring countries definitely puts them in a vise. The backbiting of the Democrats and the appeasement of Obama will let them out of the vise and guarantee the world largest terror supporting nation to develop nuclear weapons.

PL_duckhunter12 wrote:it astonishes me how politicians can blatently lie about things, last night mccain said obama will raise taxes when in fact he will cut taxes for 95% of americans, which obama has said multiple times, i don't know where people come up with this stuff
It is on Obama's website that he will raise taxes. That is just the direct taxes.

There are also all the indirect taxes. American oil companies are owned by virtually every American with a pension, 401(k), or retirement plan of any kind. His "windfall" profit tax will hit almost every American's retirement savings. That is the portion of the taxes that they cannot pass through to Americans that buy gasoline and other petroleum products, which is virtually every American. The only people that won't be hit by this tax is foreign oil companies.

The same would be true for capital gain taxes and all the other nonsense he has talked about.

PL_duckhunter12 wrote:i also don't like how conservatives make it seem like democrats don't give a damn about their country or the troops
How many Republicans pal around with a terrorist that has attacked America? That makes it pretty easy to say Democrats don't give a damn about their country when they nominate the guy as their nominee to be President.

How many Republicans attend a church where the pastor curses America? That makes it pretty easy to say Democrats don't give a damn about their country when they nominate the guy as their nominee to be President.
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Postby PL_duckhunter12 » Fri Sep 05, 2008 2:26 pm

people voted for the war because they thought they could trust our president when he told us iraq had WMD's

is there a link i can look at that says obama "pal'd around with a terrorist that has attacked america", a link from somewhere other than fox news

im curious as to why everything obama says is a lie, and everything mccain says is the truth
if obama says he'll cut taxes thats a lie, but if mccain says it then its the truth
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Postby SpinnerMan » Fri Sep 05, 2008 3:41 pm

PL_duckhunter12 wrote:people voted for the war because they thought they could trust our president when he told us iraq had WMD's
Stockpiles of WMDs never was the only reason. It was not even the primary reason, but it is the one that the simple-minded people latched on too. They apparently couldn't understand the overall plan and how a stable and free Iraq could radically change things for the better in the region. It was a bold move to do something other than the same failed policies of the past that Obama wishes to change back to.

Here is the text of the Iraq war resolution. You should read it.
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=107_cong_public_laws&docid=f:publ243.107

PL_duckhunter12 wrote:is there a link i can look at that says obama "pal'd around with a terrorist that has attacked america", a link from somewhere other than fox news


I hope you are familiar with the huffingtonpost. This is a liberal website. Not exactly foxnes. This discribes Obama's buddy ayers.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-ridley/obamas-ayers-issue_b_97477.html

This is a fair summary of their public relationship.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obama%E2%80%93Ayers_controversy

Ayers and Obama are part of the elite Hyde park crowd of pseudo-intellectuals. Obama couldn't afford a Hyde Park property at the time, obviously he could now, so he sought the help of now convicted felon Tony Rezko to get his $1.5M Hyde Park home. He wanted to be part of this circle and as documented by his extensive public relationship with Ayers. He was.

PL_duckhunter12 wrote:im curious as to why everything obama says is a lie, and everything mccain says is the truth
if obama says he'll cut taxes thats a lie, but if mccain says it then its the truth
There both politicians. I don't believe either one of them. However, when a politician says he is going to raise taxes, that is a promise they always keep. When a politician says they will cut taxes, sometimes they do, sometimes they don't, but it makes it very hard for them to raise taxes significantly.
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Postby Pacific Fisher » Fri Sep 05, 2008 4:20 pm

What about if a politician says, "Read my lips, no new taxes" :rofl:

Anybody remember who said that?
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Postby seastreet » Fri Sep 05, 2008 4:30 pm

Pacific Fisher wrote:What about if a politician says, "Read my lips, no new taxes" :rofl:

Anybody remember who said that?


The one right before the one who said... "Depends on what the definition of the word is, is." :rolleyes:
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Postby Brydog » Fri Sep 05, 2008 4:53 pm

PT,
I must reiterate,

"If the Republicans would stop lying and twisting truths, the Democrats would stop telling the truth about them"

You are a PERFECT example of this quote.
Your long, drawn out lecture to me made a little sense, very little.
Especially when you said, "but other that the war (which you all
voted for until you decided to go back to your partisan crap)"
We we're ALL LIED TO !!! IT'S JUST THAT YOU REPUBLICANS CAN MAKE EXCUSES FOR, AND EXPLAIN AWAY ALL THE DIRTY DEEDS THAT COME FROM YOUR PARTY, NO MATTER HOW STUPID IT SOUNDS.
Sorry for yellin'. I forgot to turn off the caps. :oops: This country is sick of it. The proof will be shown on November 4th.
Until then,,, Spin it, Spin it Real good.
How you people can stick to your stories and misinformation is beyond me, and the other 80% of the country.
BTW, Am I a Lib or a Dem. Make up your mind Flip Flopper.......
Sometimes I wonder if you're not as delusional as King George... :huh: :no:
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Postby pennsyltucky » Fri Sep 05, 2008 5:24 pm

Brydog wrote:PT,
I must reiterate,

"If the Republicans would stop lying and twisting truths, the Democrats would stop telling the truth about them"

You are a PERFECT example of this quote.
Your long, drawn out lecture to me made a little sense, very little.
Especially when you said, "but other that the war (which you all
voted for until you decided to go back to your partisan crap)"
We we're ALL LIED TO !!! IT'S JUST THAT YOU REPUBLICANS CAN MAKE EXCUSES FOR, AND EXPLAIN AWAY ALL THE DIRTY DEEDS THAT COME FROM YOUR PARTY, NO MATTER HOW STUPID IT SOUNDS.
Sorry for yellin'. I forgot to turn off the caps. :oops: This country is sick of it. The proof will be shown on November 4th.
Until then,,, Spin it, Spin it Real good.
How you people can stick to your stories and misinformation is beyond me, and the other 80% of the country.
BTW, Am I a Lib or a Dem. Make up your mind Flip Flopper.......
Sometimes I wonder if you're not as delusional as King George... :huh: :no:
whats the matter? dont like it when i show you your behind? ill reiterate too"If the democrats would stop lying and twisting truths, the republicans would stop telling the truth about them" you spout this ridiculous opinion based stuff, and swear its the truth, but its not. president bush had the same intelligence in front of him that all your favorite democrats did. all came to the same decision. this has already been discussed, and you were handed it more than once, so i dont expect you to see your errors this time either.....

you are a liberal democrat. theres no flopping around that one. sometimes your more unbearable than others in your socialism, but you are definately a liberal democrat...they usually go hand in hand :wink:
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Postby Brydog » Fri Sep 05, 2008 5:55 pm

Imagine that,
You took what I wrote and twisted it around.


"If the Republicans would stop lying and twisting truths, the Democrats would stop telling the truth about them"

"If the democrats would stop lying and twisting truths, the republicans would stop telling the truth about them"


Good Republican ! You should seek a job with the GOP...
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I'd much rather be a Liberal Democrat than one of your kind. :biggrin:
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Postby pennsyltucky » Fri Sep 05, 2008 6:56 pm

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: that was the point slick
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Postby PL_duckhunter12 » Fri Sep 05, 2008 7:42 pm

i was watching c-span and saw barack obama speaking somewhere in pennsylvania(i think) and he was asked about his stand on guns, he said that he isn't going to try to take our guns away, and even if he wanted to he couldn't, he also said that he has no problem with law abiding citizens that own guns to hunt, sport shoot, and protect their homes but he was going to try to keep guns out of the hands of "teenage gang bangers" that use them to kill people

after obama's speech i watched mccain and palin speak in michigan..... both were virtually the SAME as their convention speeches
and i hear alot about how without the teleprompter obama would be nothing...mccain and palin both used teleprompters at their convention speches as well as at this speech in michigan
most of the stuff against obama is false propaganda, if he mentions gun control, the conservatives make it seem like he wants to take all our guns away

as far as mccain being a soldier, thats great and im thankful for his service but how does being imprisoned in hanoy make him a better president
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Postby seastreet » Fri Sep 05, 2008 8:03 pm

PL_duckhunter12 wrote:i was watching c-span and saw barack obama speaking somewhere in pennsylvania(i think) and he was asked about his stand on guns, he said that he isn't going to try to take our guns away, and even if he wanted to he couldn't, he also said that he has no problem with law abiding citizens that own guns to hunt, sport shoot, and protect their homes but he was going to try to keep guns out of the hands of "teenage gang bangers" that use them to kill people


He has said many times that he wants to eliminate all concealed carry handgun laws, and even expressed his anti-gun stance before the DC vs. Heller ruling. He talks out of both sides of his mouth, depending on which crowd he is pandering to. He and many of his followers still refuse to acknowledge that the second amendment has absolutely nothing to do with hunting or shooting sports.
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Postby don taylor » Fri Sep 05, 2008 8:03 pm

I don't have to list all the anti gun stances Obama has taken again, do I ? That was a LONG list. No denying that.

As far as McCains Ex-POW status making him a better Commander In Chief, it doesn't. How does Community organizer stack up against it though? Not to well.

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Postby pennsyltucky » Fri Sep 05, 2008 8:06 pm

heres the problem with your lovable little barak.... it doesnt matter what he says!!!! his words are meant to get you to vote for him... its not his personal opinions that matter in office. he will be appointing judges to the bench and passing legislation from a liberal congress that will NOT have your gun rights in mind.. quite the opposite. he is the 3rd most liberal guy in congress.... the liberal position is to restrict gun ownership and rights.... do you not comprehend this?

he isnt gonna "take our guns".... they all understand that they cannot do that..... they also fully understand how to make it nearly impossible to own and use/carry one. wanna start paying 150 bucks a box for 25 shells? vote for him. he wants all bullets to be numbered, which will make the cost of manufacture skyrocket. and how will they number the shot in shotshells? hmmm? guess you cant have it anymore then.... how is this not simple common sense to you fellas slurpin the lefty-aide? its sure is to me.... why do you think the nra gives them a F? because they want us to all have guns? hit your head recently :huh: :biggrin:

i know i sound demeaning, but my 8 year old nephew can understand this. 3rd grade social studies is sufficient to grasp how this works :thumbsup:
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Postby PL_duckhunter12 » Fri Sep 05, 2008 8:28 pm

[quote="pennsyltucky"]heres the problem with your lovable little barak.... it doesnt matter what he says!!!! his words are meant to get you to vote for himquote]

but mccains words are true right?
mccain sayed that he wants us to be energy independent in 10 years.kinda sounds familiar, almost like something barack obama said, i've noticed that mccain has been promising some of the same things as obama has been promising-that he will cut taxes and what not

and id like to hear a different speech from mccain/palin, its going to get old if they use their convention speech throughout this campaign season
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Postby Brydog » Fri Sep 05, 2008 8:45 pm

Some of the things you say are totally ridiculous Ptucky.
Have you had Paranoid Delusions all of your life or is this something new for you.
I can almost picture you running around inside your (locked) house in a frenzy screaming "The sky is falling", "The sky is falling". Barrack is gonna take my guns, McCain is God, Wheres my Bible, I gotta pray.

Get a grip dude. No ones taking our guns.Image
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Postby PL_duckhunter12 » Fri Sep 05, 2008 9:44 pm

my cousin lives in alaska and he, along with many alaskans, aren't too fond of her

she voted for the bridge to nowhere, got the money, then voted against it and kept the money :thumbsdown:

she left wasilla in debt, she built a hockey rink that operates in the red :thumbsdown:

she may have lowered some taxes but she also raised other taxes that more than made up for cuts she made :thumbsdown:

and you think gas is bad in he lower 48, my cousin pays $5.45 per gallon up there :eek:
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Postby DuckinFool » Fri Sep 05, 2008 10:07 pm

Obama is a turd crapped out of the corrupt Chicago Political Machine with the gun hating Mayor Daly of Chicago calling the shots. Obama said " This was a bad decision and the Supreme Court was wrong". Now what in that response to the recent narrow margin victory Supreme Court ruling that the 2nd Amendment did mean for the citizenry to keep and bear arms do you libs see that makes you believe Obama is not going after the 2nd Amendment? We came within 1 liberal Supreme Court justice of losing our 2nd Amendment rights.

I do not expect any high court picks of Obama to be interested in preserving an armed citizenry. The guy already said he will slash our military. Do you think the military is going to be gutted and your personal gun collection go unmolested?
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Postby DuckinFool » Fri Sep 05, 2008 10:14 pm

PL_duckhunter12 wrote:my cousin lives in alaska and he, along with many alaskans, aren't too fond of her

she voted for the bridge to nowhere, got the money, then voted against it and kept the money :thumbsdown:

she left wasilla in debt, she built a hockey rink that operates in the red :thumbsdown:

she may have lowered some taxes but she also raised other taxes that more than made up for cuts she made :thumbsdown:

and you think gas is bad in he lower 48, my cousin pays $5.45 per gallon up there :eek:



Since all of this should be in the public record you won't mind posting the links to your sources right? "I got a cousin...." seems a bit weak and desperate. :yes:
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Postby PL_duckhunter12 » Fri Sep 05, 2008 10:57 pm

it would be week and desperate, if i didn't actually have a cousin that lives in alaska :yes: he's a conservation officer
most of it was on the news one day.o but that was probably just the liberal media spin huh :no:
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Postby DuckinFool » Fri Sep 05, 2008 11:08 pm

Links should be no problem then huh? :thumbsup:
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Postby pennsyltucky » Sat Sep 06, 2008 9:31 am

Brydog wrote:Some of the things you say are totally ridiculous Ptucky.
Have you had Paranoid Delusions all of your life or is this something new for you.
I can almost picture you running around inside your (locked) house in a frenzy screaming "The sky is falling", "The sky is falling". Barrack is gonna take my guns, McCain is God, Wheres my Bible, I gotta pray.

Get a grip dude. No ones taking our guns.Image


you can attack me or my character all you want, but it only makes you look bad.


mccain will have the same powers when in office that obama would. no one said he wouldnt. but the fact remains that the liberal side of our government is ANTI-GUN and ANTI-PERSONAL FREEDOM. obama is a far left liberal and as such is very anti gun and anti freedom. i have never ran around my house as you describe, and dont believe in your God or any of your other ridiculous fairy tales. again your biggest problem in debating is that you think im stupid...it makes you look like a child :no: if you would like to discuss real stuff, or you have something other than whining about bush, feel free to rebut some of those articles with fact, not just opinion pieces you find interesting. till then, you have wasted more than enuf of my time :rolleyes:
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Postby SpinnerMan » Sat Sep 06, 2008 10:15 am

Pacific Fisher wrote:What about if a politician says, "Read my lips, no new taxes" :rofl:

Anybody remember who said that?
How did that work out for him? That's right we hold our politicians accountable.

As I said it made it very hard for him, even though from the moment he said that the Democrats that controlled Congress and passed the new taxes were going to make damn sure they forced him to sign a tax increase on something. He was a damn fool for doing it and lost his job in large part because of it.

Typical Democrat move. Screw the people to gain power.
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