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Postby cjc » Fri Aug 29, 2008 11:57 pm

Ask an Osama Obama supporter why they are going to vote for him and they say "cause we want change". Then ask them what he's going to change, and they say "I dunno". Ha Ha

For you Barama supporters on here, Look at the Energy Policies between both parties. Backrack's policies won't take effect until after he would be out of office, except for his "Short Term" relief at the pump. What an idioso.

Go McCain and Palin :thumbsup:
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Postby PL_duckhunter12 » Sat Aug 30, 2008 12:11 am

[quote="La. Hunter"]I don't want anyone pouring more of my tax dollars into social programs that don't work and only cause people to become more dependent on the government.

shouldn't we be able to depend on our government though?

i personally like what obama is saying/promising more than what mccain is saying/promising, as of now though we can't say for sure what is actually going to happen so i would have to go with what they are saying is going to happen, we should be able to trust our pres/government
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Postby Indawoods » Sat Aug 30, 2008 2:38 am

PL Duckhunter-

Do a search on google for "project exile"

It is a cooperative program between local and federal authorities started in Virginia(?) that put away criminals for gun possession and gave them REAL time behind bars.

It was so successful that it spread nationwide to those states that were serious about enforcement. Most who read this may remember the TV commercials and billboards in their area.

The program, incidentally, was begun under the Bush administration to adress an utterly unconscionable DROP in gun crime prosecutions under Clinton. FACT.
The numbers are available online from each administration through the Justice departments statistics on crimes and prosecutions.
Google it, and then come back to this board a little more informed about what actually works to control gun crimes.
HINT: it's not restricting law abiding citizens rights.
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Postby HotDog » Sat Aug 30, 2008 3:16 am

Back to Gov. Palin.

So many people decry the 'same old, same old' in Washington.
They want something new.
What gives them that other than someone who is NOT from Washington?
Obama and Biden promise 'no more of the same old policies'. How can they, with a straight face, say that when they have been part of the policy making proccess these last few years?
Democrats have controlled congress for two years AND HAVE DONE NOTHING when it was in their power to override the President.
Change?
Looks like the Republicans own the 'change' platform now.
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Postby mag.DuckDuster » Sat Aug 30, 2008 5:12 am

Osoma has proof of his stand on gun control, look at Illinois. Last time I drove through Chicago it wasnt legal to carry concealed. Another town where criminals are armed Image and us law abiding citizens are not supposed to be.
Remember the Brady Bill. What did that do? I think Osoma will bring it back. My signature is my solution.
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Postby carlschmarl2 » Sat Aug 30, 2008 5:46 am

winters921 wrote:i suggest we crack down on the illegal gun markets they ATF is doing a great job but more is always better


u are ignorant because u babble and need to get the facts straight its not as easy to get automatic guns as u make it sound


LOCATION: LONG ISLAND - Enough said!

Don't let this left wing liberal give us other NY'ers a bad name. It's people like him that make NY one of the toughest states to obtain a CCW and we somehow still has the Clinton Ban in effect. NY also does not have any reciprocity to other states CCW's. No chit it’s not easy to get automatic guns...NY has an outright ban on them. It's hard enough for me to have an AR or any other style "Assault Weapon." The Hippie Liberals would rather take guns away than address the real issues of punishing those who use them against society. But heaven forbid we punish some scumbag ghetto kid for committing a gun crime The liberals would be all over that for not providing a better school system, better government assistance, better welfare, better health care so him and 15 of his fatherless siblings can all overcome the exceeding high pressures of society and living like a welfare ghetto thug. We all need to take a look at Virginia’s gun laws and how they prosecute those who commit gun crimes. It’s just like a Liberal to blame the GUN for a crime rather than the individual owning up for ones own crime…just pass the blame onto someone else. We need to start looking at the person holding the gun who is committing the crime…not the gun itself.

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Postby carlschmarl2 » Sat Aug 30, 2008 5:49 am

La. Hunter wrote:
PL_duckhunter12 wrote:
La. Hunter wrote:shouldn't we be able to depend on our government though?


I think the people should first try to depend on themselves. I don't believe that the government should be in the business of handing out the taxpayers hard earned money to life long dependents. If someone is honestly trying and unable to make ends meet, then I think the government should offer a little temporary assistance. However, I think it should be a crime for someone to draw welfare off of the government and live in public housing, while at the same time buying big screen TV's or Cadillac Escalades. I believe that social programs should lie in the hands of Churches or other community outreach programs. Let them help the people along, while at the same time teaching them to become financially responsible and dependent upon themselves. I believe in teaching the man to fish instead of giving him fish.


The only gov't assistance I believe in is: Mandated Birth Control for anyone who collects a welfare check.
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Postby hankrt » Sat Aug 30, 2008 5:56 am

Personally, I am all for protecting my right to bear arms, my hunting and fishing privileges and will defend them to the end. My real problem is, the last 8 years of the Bush conservatives. The mid west has lost so many jobs under their direction and big oil has been catering to their every need that they have lost focus on the needs of middle America. Without a job you don't buy shells or decoys or travel afar to your favorite hunting places because you cant afford it. I have lost all of my confidence in the GOP party, and it appears that this year, they are also internally loosing confidence among themselves. To me, this is scary stuff, and I have had enough!!! I am a proven independent voter for my entire life, and I have been so disappointed in our leadership for so long that it just sickens me, and it should sicken any middle class American who struggles to meet ends meet every single day. It sickens me to see our leaders with their hands out taking big pay offs from special interest groups in order to get laws passed that benefit's them and screw the little guy. It sickens me that our leadership no longer understands what its like to not have enough money to pay the bills, and to pay as you can, some are forced from their homes because they cant afford their mortgages. I want something different this time and you should too!! Go Barack and Joe!!!!
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Postby Puddler81 » Sat Aug 30, 2008 6:05 am

Reasons Palin is a good choice:

Pro sportsman - good for hunters in general

Pro oil drilling - Tapping into or natural resources, decreasing our dependency on foreign oil and increasing or national reserves will lower costs for consumers (read, more money for guns, ammunition, decoys and beer).

Not a beltway insider – This might bring some of that change the Democrats are always talking about. Like HotDog stated earlier, the Democrats have had the ability to bring change for the past two years and have done little to do so.

Foreign Policy Experience – Though Palin does not have a lot of foreign policy experience, her two years as governor of Alaska dealing with Russia and Canada has given her more foreign policy experience than Obama and if you've been watching the news, you should realize that that experience with Russia could be key. Besides, foreign policy decisions have just as much with the cabinet (advisors) that the president surrounds them selves with as it does the president themselves.

Lastly I would like to go a little off topic and bring some attention to the assault weapons issue that was being discussed earlier. The Democrat proposed 2007 assault weapons ban (H. R. 1022) does not just suggest banning automatic weapons. It also would bans shotguns, semi-auto or otherwise, that had pistol grips or thumb hole stocks. I know this doesn't apply to most water fowlers, but it affects most turkey hunters. It would also ban AR-15 / M16 style hunting rifles that are gaining popularity with predator hunters and deep woods hunters due to their compact size and light weight.
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Postby carlschmarl2 » Sat Aug 30, 2008 6:12 am

hankrt wrote:Personally, I am all for protecting my right to bear arms, my hunting and fishing privileges and will defend them to the end. My real problem is, the last 8 years of the Bush conservatives. The mid west has lost so many jobs under their direction and big oil has been catering to their every need that they have lost focus on the needs of middle America. Without a job you don't buy shells or decoys or travel afar to your favorite hunting places because you cant afford it. I have lost all of my confidence in the GOP party, and it appears that this year, they are also internally loosing confidence among themselves. To me, this is scary stuff, and I have had enough!!! I am a proven independent voter for my entire life, and I have been so disappointed in our leadership for so long that it just sickens me, and it should sicken any middle class American who struggles to meet ends meet every single day. It sickens me to see our leaders with their hands out taking big pay offs from special interest groups in order to get laws passed that benefit's them and screw the little guy. It sickens me that our leadership no longer understands what its like to not have enough money to pay the bills, and to pay as you can, some are forced from their homes because they cant afford their mortgages. I want something different this time and you should too!! Go Barack and Joe!!!!


“…middle class American who struggles to meet ends meet every single day…”

Why is it that they can’t make ends meet? How much over spending are they doing on other stuff? Stuff that they don’t really need. Give me a break. Sell the big boat, take less expensive vacations, don’t buy designer clothes, and get a second job. I don’t know, cut spending. Why do you think all this is the government’s fault?


"... some are forced from their homes because they cant afford their mortgages..."


I would blame that on their own stupidity for taking a out a mortgage they can't afford or a second and third one on the same house. Just because I can get approved for a 400K house does not mean I should go out and buy one. I blame the lending institutions and the individuals themselves. People then start crying that they can no longer pay their bills; so as in typical Liberal fashion, they beg for gov't assistance and gov't forgiveness on their loans. Bush did well by making it harder for these crybabies to claim bankruptcy. People need to start owning up for their own damn mistakes and take some responsibility and worry about themselves.

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Postby Puddler81 » Sat Aug 30, 2008 6:50 am

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: AMEN TO THAT!!!!!!
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Postby mydogearl » Sat Aug 30, 2008 7:30 am

the average American living in poverty has heating/ac, two color tvs, fridge, and microwave. yes i know that their are poorer people and people that are even homeless, but i would venture to say that 99% of these people are able to help themselves but don't do it. i know quite a few people that live in my towns "low income" area, and i have heard so many of them say that they will not learn to read just so they can still receive their ssi checks.

and another example i have to touch on is locking up criminals.
my county, which i believe is the poorest or second poorest in the state, just built a real big sherriffs office and county jail and all they do is sing its praises. "It's so big that we can house other county's criminals and receive money for it" they say. All fine and dandy except, i know of one guy (and it is hard to say how many others) who always has warrents for his arrest. they will group up to go arrest him, he finds out and he takes off runnin. he is so fast that they will only catch him once out every ten times they attempt to (if that lucky!). when he is caught, they have his initial hearing and set a trial date. because our jail is too full with other countys criminals, they release him on his own recognisance (sp?) just so this obvious flight risk will go back to doing his same old crap. and like i said, they rarely catch him when they try. our officials wonder why our county is so crime and drug ridden.
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Postby native brookie » Sat Aug 30, 2008 7:40 am

Anybody know what Palin's record is on wetlands conservation?

I don't know about the rest of you, but I'd like folks at the EPA, Corps of Engineers, etc. who take wetland protection a little more seriously than the bunch we have now.
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Postby winters921 » Sat Aug 30, 2008 9:20 am

carlschmarl2 wrote:
winters921 wrote:i suggest we crack down on the illegal gun markets they ATF is doing a great job but more is always better


u are ignorant because u babble and need to get the facts straight its not as easy to get automatic guns as u make it sound


LOCATION: LONG ISLAND - Enough said!

Don't let this left wing liberal give us other NY'ers a bad name. It's people like him that make NY one of the toughest states to obtain a CCW and we somehow still has the Clinton Ban in effect. NY also does not have any reciprocity to other states CCW's. No chit it’s not easy to get automatic guns...NY has an outright ban on them. It's hard enough for me to have an AR or any other style "Assault Weapon." The Hippie Liberals would rather take guns away than address the real issues of punishing those who use them against society. But heaven forbid we punish some scumbag ghetto kid for committing a gun crime The liberals would be all over that for not providing a better school system, better government assistance, better welfare, better health care so him and 15 of his fatherless siblings can all overcome the exceeding high pressures of society and living like a welfare ghetto thug. We all need to take a look at Virginia’s gun laws and how they prosecute those who commit gun crimes. It’s just like a Liberal to blame the GUN for a crime rather than the individual owning up for ones own crime…just pass the blame onto someone else. We need to start looking at the person holding the gun who is committing the crime…not the gun itself.

Carl



oo i hear ya on this one it sucks new york has the toughest gun laws around and i will never get a concealed pistol permit unless i become a police officer
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Postby PL_duckhunter12 » Sat Aug 30, 2008 10:47 am

[quote="carlschmarl2"]

Why is it that they can’t make ends meet? How much over spending are they doing on other stuff? Stuff that they don’t really need. Give me a break. Sell the big boat, take less expensive vacations, don’t buy designer clothes, and get a second job. I don’t know, cut spending. Why do you think all this is the government’s fault?


you obviously don't have to deal with that because you are very well off, thats the impression i get
btw my family doesn't have a boat of any kind, we don't have a quad, i don't wear designer clothes, my parents already work a fulltime job, we don't take expensive vacations ever, we spend as little as we can

don't tell me that my family needs to cut spending and all this other BS when you probably have all of this stuff you're talking about

dems are for the people, reps are for themselves

and im not from NY so how could i give you a bad name, not liberal either, independent, i don't care what party their from as long as they are for me

my parents work their tails off for not a lot of money so don't tell me its our fault that its hard to make ends meet
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Postby hankrt » Sat Aug 30, 2008 11:24 am

To Carl from New York, I am glad you are doing so well in New York, come to my wonderful State of Michigan and also Check out Ohio and you will see how many vacant homes there are and you will truly see the affects of 3.5 million jobs lost to Mexico, China, and abroad. It seems that you might be slightly out of touch with reality. But I am glad to hear your doing well. And no matter what I say, folks that never lived poverty will never get it, that's why I will never vote for Mcbush, My vote for Washington is still for Change.
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Postby Pacific Fisher » Sat Aug 30, 2008 11:35 am

Has DHC ever thought about creating a political forum?
Political discussion can get pretty heated and controversial, especially in an election year.
What do you think Mods?
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Postby Puddler81 » Sat Aug 30, 2008 11:55 am

hankrt wrote:...that's why I will never vote for Mcbush, My vote for Washington is still for Change.


How can you say that you are voting for change when the Dems have had the majority in the House AND the Senate for the past two years, giving them the power to over rule the president on just about every decision he has made and yet have still failed to bring change. What in the world makes you think putting a Dem in office will change the status quo. People seem to forget that ours is a government of checks an balances. No, it doesn't always work, but you can't just blame the president. The blame needs to be spread over the legislative branch as well as the executive. Now, before I get blasted, let me state that by no means do I think Bush has done a great or even a good job, but I also don't think that the blame is being fairly distributed. The Democrats are just as to blame as Bush is.
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Postby Pacific Fisher » Sat Aug 30, 2008 12:02 pm

puddler 81 it requires a super majority to override a President.
A majority cannot override a President.
Do the math.
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Postby Puddler81 » Sat Aug 30, 2008 12:04 pm

PL_duckhunter12 wrote:...my parents work their tails off for not a lot of money so don't tell me its our fault that its hard to make ends meet


Then I applaud your parents as it is my firm belief that they are in the minority.

I know that a majority of the people who are loosing their homes, are losing them because they didn't read loan paperwork on their adjustable rate mortgage. Or, saw that they qualified for a $400,000 home and didn't do the math to figure out if they could really afford a $400,000 house.
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Postby rmh » Sat Aug 30, 2008 12:06 pm

Jobs have been moving offshore or eliminated due to technology for a hundred years. Check out the door frame on a GM car, it'll have "Body by Fisher" on it. Fisher was a wagon maker, how many of those jobs are around? I worked for a glass company in the 70's and they were building plants all over the world and importing the bottles. Why? The wages and other costs of doing business were a fraction of here. This was a company based in Toledo, Ohio. Coal and steel production are 2 or 3 times what they were thirty years ago but the number of workers is 1/3. Mechanization of the processes. We haven't had a real national recession since the 1980's so an entire generation has grown up watching prices stay relatively stable, incomes rise and unemployment drop. Check out the statistics from 1978 or so through 1983. Inflation was running at 12%, interest rates were 17% (no cars or houses being bought) and unemployment at 10%+, twice today's rate. The last few years of housing sales was a result of a government policy put in place in the 90's to put more people in houses and historically low interest rates. You had no documentation mortgages, ARM's and people borrowing the down payment (which never used to be allowed). When my wife and I bought our house 20+ years ago we had to verify our income three times and felt lucky to get a conventional mortgage at 9%. If someone buys a house they can't afford what do you think will happen if he/she can't pay the mortgage? People have always worked hard-employers pay as little as they can to have workers, that's business. People have moved to the Sun Belt from the North East and Midwest over the last 20-30 years because the south was where jobs were and the other places were where the jobs weren't. Wage rates are almost always lower in rural areas, the only thing that has raised them where I am is the proximity to DC. This County used to be the poorest in MD, now it's one of the wealthiest and the foreclosure rate is through the roof. People have to have the $600K house, the Escalade/Benz/BMW/Lexus and all the symbols of the good life-flat screen TV's, vacation homes, private schools/colleges. They're paying for it now. That's not to say that is what your family has done, but a lot of what you see now is people who have vastly over extended themselves. And yes, I've lost jobs and been laid off from businesses that never came back.
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Postby pennsyltucky » Sat Aug 30, 2008 12:54 pm

Pacific Fisher wrote:Has DHC ever thought about creating a political forum?
Political discussion can get pretty heated and controversial, especially in an election year.
What do you think Mods?



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Postby don taylor » Sat Aug 30, 2008 12:57 pm

You want to lower prices, bring jobs back, cut inflation, and stimulate the economy?

Cut taxes!

We tax the hell out of companies, then tax our pay, then tax us when we buy something, then tax us on the supplies for it (gas for your car, for example) and we wonder why companies leave? when unions create job banks at GM or people want to create a special tax for the big oil companies. Who do you think pays that increase? We do! I know when the price of wire goes up, my customers pay more for me to wire their house. Why would you assume anything different would happen in big business?
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Postby Smackaduck » Sat Aug 30, 2008 1:03 pm

Pacific Fisher wrote:Has DHC ever thought about creating a political forum?
Political discussion can get pretty heated and controversial, especially in an election year.
What do you think Mods?


We have one and Im moving it there. :thumbsup:
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Postby hankrt » Sat Aug 30, 2008 1:20 pm

RHM, you are a wise man, I to recall the 70's and early 80's. I recall financing my 80 dodge pick up truck at 17 percent, and buying my first house in 1984 on a 15 percent land contract. I think the difference then was we had plenty of manufacturing jobs, granted, they weren't real high paying jobs but most people could at least make it fairly well. I recall starting out making $2.22 hour in 76 and thought I had the world by the behind. I even bought a 1978 Plymouth making those wages and still had a little to go to a movie once in a while and buy a few decoys for my first ever duck hunt.
It just seems to me that the leaders in Washington that we choose don't have a sense of understanding on what it's like to live week to week. They don't understand what it's like to eat Mac and Cheese with Hot Dogs for dinner, or, a can of beans with franks. I want a leader that knows what it's like to eat these great things, someone who knows what life's basic struggles are all about, these struggles to me build character, they re establish the basic understanding about what the majority of Americans are really all about.
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