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Postby rmh » Sat Aug 30, 2008 3:10 pm

Hankrt, thanks. If you look at the stats most of our federal officials are millionaires (that may be a bit misleading since some of that net worth may be in property values) as are a lot of our MD officials. Many are lawyers, some business people, very few "regular" guys. Truman, Eisenhower, LBJ, Nixon, Ford, Reagan and Clinton all grew up in lower middle class or poor circumstances. FDR, JFK, Carter and the Bushes were all more or less monied.
We had plenty of manufacturing and mining jobs then but you could see the writing on the wall. Pennsyltucky might remember C and K Coal Co. Biggest employer in western PA, closed down one Sunday night and never reopened. Along with hundreds of others. Unfortunately blue collar workers always get caught first in a recession, but now those jobs are gone. Increased productivity and off shoring are a lot of that. Along with environmental regulations, tax policy and a corporate culture that looks at next week's profit statement and not ten years down the road. I'm not a fan of Michael Moore but his first big film, "Roger and Me" showed a lot of that. One thing I learned working in industry is that a business owes loyalty only to it's stockholders. And those stockholders today are pension funds and 401Ks.
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Postby hankrt » Sat Aug 30, 2008 3:48 pm

RMH, you are so right. Profit and the mighty dollar when first in line on someones agenda totally clouds his or her sense of reality. And those working class blue collar folks that made it all happen for these executives are quickly forgotten and swept under the rug as the next opportunity for big bucks comes their way. As I mentioned earlier lack of money builds character, having money also builds character but in a very different way, counter productive to the needs of the middle class. I don't necessarily support a lot of Democratic policies, but what I do like about Barack Obama is his character, his ability to inspire all people, and he seems to be a guy that knows that compromise can work successfully for all parties. I also like the fact that he refused public funding monies / special intrest monies . and took a huge risk and put his faith in the average American that gives less than $100 to fund his campaign. Most donations are less than $25.00, I like that, I like a leader that works for us, the majority middle class.
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Postby rmh » Sat Aug 30, 2008 4:19 pm

Be careful about assigning altruistic motives to Obama for refusing public election funds. He refused them, after saying he'd take them, because an acceptance would have limited his fund raising. I still haven't seen an Obama definition of "middle class", and that's a moving target anyway. For somebody at minimum wage (who pays no federal income tax anyway) someone making twice the minimum is rich. What gets folks at minimun is Social Security and state taxes. Any business tax increase will be passed on to consumers, always is. Businesses aren't tax payers they're tax collectors. I see you're from Michigan; according to MSN Money you're 14th in state tax burden and the jobs are still leaving. 50th is Alaska (oil royalties) and Vermont is 1st.
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Postby hankrt » Sat Aug 30, 2008 4:48 pm

Yes, we are hurting severely in Michigan. The price of gas and Union labor costs and NAFTA have really put a major hurt on a state that is primarily Automotive driven. Barack has agreed to put Millions into the Automotive industry to develop the next generation of fuel efficient vehicles. I know that all politicians are driven by their own personal agenda, but I have been researching this guy for a long time and he seems sincere. I like his ability to cut through the crap and get down to business. That at times isn't the easiest thing to do but I have to give him credit for his will to say "No" to short term fixes or band aids. The other thing I like about him is he is going to go through the Federal Spending system and eliminate wasted spending to help pay for new programs. The Fed's still pay subsidies to groups today that were used in WW1 and WW2, some people are still being paid for these services, and the list is long and wasteful. Barack pulled out of Public financing because he is in this election to win, it was a risky move on his part, but a wise move. If you and I were in his shoes we would likley do the same thing. How is the economy in your area?
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Postby rmh » Sat Aug 30, 2008 5:16 pm

County unemployment just increased to 3.6%, the state rate is 4.4%. The school systems are bringing people from Africa and the Phillipines to teach. The nuclear power plant is getting set to build a 3rd reactor. In Baltimore GM shut down it's truck plant a couple years ago. Beth Steel has a foreign owner. Generally the DC area is not bad off. The people who are hurting are: spec home builders (lots of empties) and their trades people, other real estate related businesses in sales and investments, some banking (again the mortgage mess) and people who overpaid during the bubble. Some places have seen a 40% decline in value and the houses are still overpriced. The federal government here is a jobs machine, especially in homeland security. My buddy does backgrounds for the FBI as an indie contractor and could work 100 hours a week if he wanted. There is little traditional industry in this area any more, that was mostly in Baltimore and Western MD and it's mostly gone.
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Postby cjc » Sat Aug 30, 2008 9:44 pm

hankrt wrote: And no matter what I say, folks that never lived poverty will never get it, that's why I will never vote for Mcbush, My vote for Washington is still for Change.


Your vote is for change huh. Tell me exactly what Badrack is going to change. Second, I have live in poverty. I had a job making less than 20K a year with a wife and kid. Believe me, when you have to look through the couch cusion for enough change to feed your family off the dollar menu at McDonald's, you know poverty. Under George W's administration I was able to go to school for FREE because the government paid for it because I was so poor. Now I have a degree and a great job and can eat steak at home. Why would I want change?


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Postby Brydog » Sat Aug 30, 2008 10:20 pm

McCains biggest complaints about Obama over the past 2 months have been related to lack of experience. Now he's chosen a woman (to try and pull the disgruntled Hillbillery fans) with no exposure or experience over to the Right. No one outside of Alaska ever heard of her until yesterday, and Mac only met her once in February. I told my ole' lady yesterday that McCain was desperate. Then I read this story today.
And just say George McCain wins this upcoming election tongue then croaks from all the excitement. What the hell is Mrs. Hottie going to do to run this country ??? She doesn't have a clue. I'm sure Shrubbie would be more than happy to help her out. biggrin

Palin is just another nail in George McCain's coffin !

OK,,, Spin it boys, Spin it good.
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Postby seastreet » Sat Aug 30, 2008 10:57 pm

Brydog wrote:McCains biggest complaints about Obama over the past 2 months have been related to lack of experience. Now he's chosen a woman (to try and pull the disgruntled Hillbillery fans) with no exposure or experience over to the Right. No one outside of Alaska ever heard of her until yesterday, and Mac only met her once in February. I told my ole' lady yesterday that McCain was desperate. Then I read this story today.
And just say George McCain wins this upcoming election tongue then croaks from all the excitement. What the hell is Mrs. Hottie going to do to run this country ??? She doesn't have a clue. I'm sure Shrubbie would be more than happy to help her out. biggrin

Palin is just another nail in George McCain's coffin !

OK,,, Spin it boys, Spin it good.


This just proves that the clown left is worried shatless about Palin. They have jumped over themselves to attack this woman, when she has more executive experience than any of the other candidates, combined. She stole Obama's speech thunder, and that scares you. I think it is hilarious. :rofl:
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Postby devildog28 » Sun Aug 31, 2008 12:21 am

PL duckhunter, you come across as someone that hasn't had the experience in the real world yet. In a previous post solely talked about your parent's experiences, not yours. Part of the reason your parents don't have more material possesions is that their tax money is going to help the worthless people of society. If we required them to get jobs and weaned them off the teat, life would be better.

You say that the dems are for "the people", they're only for the people that are gulible enough to get them into office. Which in this case is minorities and poor people on welfare. Those of us that do the work to make it on our own don't want anypart of raising taxes to help out those who don't help themselves.

I for one sternly oppose giving do-nothings more of my hard earned tax dollars do more "nothing" and buy nicer things.

Obama is good at using catch phrases but never once in his speeches has he outlined a plan.
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Postby CTRIVERDUCKHUNTER » Sun Aug 31, 2008 2:19 am

Has anyone gone back and read the posts on this topic? Most of you sound like uneducated country bumpkins that get their information from the country store and barber shop. Pick up a book or newspaper sometime. Oh hey, how about this one, graduate high school and go to college!
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Postby cjc » Sun Aug 31, 2008 3:57 am

devildog28 wrote:
Obama is good at using catch phrases but never once in his speeches has he outlined a plan.


:hammer: :hammer: Exactly, Obama is a real smooth talker, that's why he can get alot of young peoples votes, but they just don't realize that there is no point to any of his speeches.
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Postby devildog28 » Sun Aug 31, 2008 8:43 am

CTRIVERDUCKHUNTER wrote:Has anyone gone back and read the posts on this topic? Most of you sound like uneducated country bumpkins that get their information from the country store and barber shop. Pick up a book or newspaper sometime. Oh hey, how about this one, graduate high school and go to college!


Hey now I'm finishing my second degree BS in Biology! :oops:
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Postby Pacific Fisher » Sun Aug 31, 2008 10:13 am

Interesting read on what the top newspapers and GOP politicians from Palin's state have to say.
It will take a while to learn more about her political leadership from the folks in her home state.

2 Top Alaska Newspapers Question Palin's Fitness
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Since yesterday's shocking arrival of Gov. Sarah Palin as John McCain's running mate there has been the usual cable news and print blathering about the pick from those who know little about her. But what about the journalists close to home -- in Alaska -- who know her best and have followed her career for years?

For the past 24 hours, the pages and web sites of the two leading papers up there have raised all sorts of issues surrounding Palin, from her ethics problems to general lack of readiness for this big step up. Right now the top story on the Anchorage Daily News web site looks at new info in what it calls "troopergate" and opens: "Alaska's former commissioner of public safety says Gov. Sarah Palin, John McCain's pick to be vice president, personally talked him on two occasions about a state trooper who was locked in a bitter custody battle with the governor's sister.

"In a phone conversation Friday night, Walt Monegan, who was Alaska's top cop until Palin fired him July 11, told the Daily News that the governor also had e-mailed him two or three times about her ex-brother-in-law, Trooper Mike Wooten, though the e-mails didn't mention Wooten by name. Monegan claims his refusal to fire Wooten was a major reason that Palin dismissed him. Wooten had been suspended for five days previously, based largely on complaints that Palin's family had initiated before Palin was governor."

A reporter for the Anchorage daily, Gregg Erickson, even did an online chat with the Washington Post, in which he revealed that Palin's approval rating in the state was not the much-touted 80%, but 65% and sinking -- and that among journalists who followed her it might be in the "teens." He added: "I have a hard time seeing how her qualifications stack up against the duties and responsibilities of being president.... I expect her to stick with simple truths. When asked about continued American troop presence in Iraq, she said she knows only one thing about that (I paraphrase): no one has attacked the American homeland since George Bush took the war to Iraq."

His paper found a number of leading Republican officeholders in the state who mocked Palin's qualifications. "She's not prepared to be governor. How can she be prepared to be vice president or president?" said Lyda Green, the president of the State Senate, a Republican from Palin's hometown of Wasilla. "Look at what she's done to this state. What would she do to the nation?"
Another top Republican, John Harris, the speaker of the House, when asked about her qualifications for Veep, replied with this: "She's old enough. She's a U.S. citizen."

Dermot Cole, a columnist for the Fairbanks paper, observed that he thinks highly of Palin as a person but "in no way does her year-and-a-half as governor of Alaska qualify her to be vice president or president of the United States.

"One of the strange things Friday was that so many commentators and politicians did not know how to pronounce her name and had no clue about what she has actually done in Alaska....I may be proven wrong, but the decision announced by McCain strikes me as reckless. She is not prepared to be the next president should something happen to McCain."

UPDATE: On Sunday the top story on the Anchorage paper's site carried the headline, "Palin touts stance on 'Bridge to Nowhere,' doesn't note flip-flop." The Fairbanks paper has an article and a column on the same theme.

From the Saturday editorial in the Daily News-Miner in Fairbanks:

Sen. John McCain's selection of Gov. Sarah Palin as his vice presidential running mate was a stunning decision that should make Alaskans proud, even while we wonder about the actual merits of the choice.... Alaskans and Americans must ask, though, whether she should become vice president and, more importantly, be placed first in line to become president.
In fact, as the governor herself acknowledged in her acceptance speech, she never set out to be involved in public affairs. She has never publicly demonstrated the kind of interest, much less expertise, in federal issues and foreign affairs that should mark a candidate for the second-highest office in the land. Republicans rightfully have criticized the Democratic nominee, Sen. Barack Obama, for his lack of experience, but Palin is a neophyte in comparison; how will Republicans reconcile the criticism of Obama with the obligatory cheering for Palin?

Most people would acknowledge that, regardless of her charm and good intentions, Palin is not ready for the top job. McCain seems to have put his political interests ahead of the nation's when he created the possibility that she might fill it.


And from the editorial in the Anchorage Daily News:

It's stunning that someone with so little national and international experience might be heartbeat away from the presidency.
Gov. Palin is a classic Alaska story. She is an example of the opportunity our state offers to those with talent, initiative and determination...

McCain picked Palin despite a recent blemish on her ethically pure resume. While she was governor, members of her family and staff tried to get her ex-brother-in-law fired from the Alaska State Troopers. Her public safety commissioner would not do so; she forced him out, supposedly for other reasons. While she runs for vice-president, the Legislature has an investigator on the case.

For all those advantages, Palin joins the ticket with one huge weakness: She's a total beginner on national and international issues.

Gov. Palin will have to spend the next two months convincing Americans that she's ready to be a heartbeat away from the presidency....
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Postby seastreet » Sun Aug 31, 2008 10:29 am

Ahhh... Armchair Jihadist rears his ugly, hypocritical head on another site. Knew it wouldn't take you long to slither in. :rolleyes:



As for Palin.. While my mind isn't made up regarding her, she is the one who called for the investigation in this matter. She has also fired the surrogates responsible. Sounds to me that the trooper in question needed firing for bad performance and malfeasance on the job. I saw this from a native Alaskan...
FYI "Trooper Gate" is about her ex-bro-in-law that is a trooper. She (may have) tried to get him fired because:
1) He stated he would "like to put a bullet in his head" HIS being her father
2) Was seen by other troopers drinking in his squad car
3) tazered his 11 year old step son
4) shot a moose out of season
IMO she had every right to ask for his dismisal and the only reason he wasn't dismissed is because he had friends in the union. We'll have to see how the mass media plays that one.



The jury on Palin is out right now, but it seems she is indeed not one of the good ol' boys and has went against her own party numerous times regarding corruption and ethics. I read somewhere where 7 of the Republicans she took on for corruption are sitting in jail. So far, I like what I'm seeing from her. We will just have to let her go through a few wash cycles to see if she can stand her ground on the national stage. She is alot better than McCain IMHO.
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Postby hankrt » Sun Aug 31, 2008 1:56 pm

I'm with you on that one Brydog, Mcbush has taken a calculated risk to try and round up all the ticked off Billary voters because she is female. I think this might just back fire on him, from what I have heard , most intelligent women out there are really ticked off at him for thinking that they are so stupid to just vote for someone with the same body parts that they have. And honestly, I agree with them, most women are smarter than to fall for such a ridicules situation. God help us if this guy does win the general election and then has heart failure and dies..........you think this countries in trouble now, just imagine that one, what a joke this election is turning into.
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Postby pennsyltucky » Sun Aug 31, 2008 2:28 pm

hankrt wrote:God help us if this guy does win the general election and then has heart failure and dies..........you think this countries in trouble now, just imagine that one, what a joke this election is turning into.


im am lookin forward to that day almost as much as the goose opener :thumbsup: id rather vote Palin/Mccain than McCain/Palin.... :hammer:
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Postby hankrt » Sun Aug 31, 2008 3:16 pm

Yep me too, but we do differ on the vote.....Obama / Biden for me, I want strong leadership in the house, not a X model for all the unfaithful's to drool over.
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Postby pennsyltucky » Sun Aug 31, 2008 3:45 pm

hankrt wrote:I want strong leadership in the house, not a X model for all the unfaithful's to drool over.


lucky for us, we get both in one package. :thumbsup:
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Postby native brookie » Sun Aug 31, 2008 6:20 pm

Since this is a duck hunting forum, let me try again.

Does anyone know what her record/position is on wetland conservation?
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Postby WisconsinWaterfowler » Mon Sep 01, 2008 8:33 pm

Nope but I can promise you that she will do more than Obama. :thumbsup:
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Postby captainduckhead » Tue Sep 02, 2008 12:26 pm

She's a total hottie, she's from Alaska, she's into outdoor stuff. She has a 17 year old pregnant daughter. I love her!
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Postby devildog28 » Wed Sep 03, 2008 12:16 am

I've seen a couple posts on here pertaining to blue-collar workers, and how they're kind-of in the shadows and the unsung heroes of the American economy.

I think this romantized view is total BS. I'm sick and tired of this country making blue collar workers out to be victims of oppresive administrations. People like Obama are preying on the scewed beliefs like this for votes. People that work those jobs are there by choice! This is the land of dreams, anybody can better themselves.

I am further digusted with people that are so called "proud" of thier blue collar job and that those that went to college took the easy way out. I view it as trying to disguise envy and lasiness. But there are those people who love what they do and don't consider it a matter of class. It's just a career that they love. Those are the ones that should be examples of what's right.

Now before anyone starts bashing me, let me tell a little about myself. I work one of these "blue collar" jobs as a diesel mechanic, but also go to school full time. I spend most of my week covered in grease and sweat, and then stay up rediculously late studying for my BS. I'm able to do it and I'm about as normal as they come. Hell, I'm probably worse off than a lot of people, suffering from permanent head trauma amongst other injuries from a couple trips to the desert in the military.

In short if you're feeling sorry for where you are in life chances are that it's by your own actions, or lack of actions. And shut the hell up and do something about your CHOSEN lot in life.
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Postby Pacific Fisher » Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:08 pm

Looks like Sarah wants pregnant teens to abstain from housing and support too.
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ST. PAUL -- Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, the Republican vice-presidential nominee who revealed Monday that her 17-year-old daughter is pregnant, earlier this year used her line-item veto to slash funding for a state program benefiting teen mothers in need of a place to live.

After the legislature passed a spending bill in April, Palin went through the measure reducing and eliminating funds for programs she opposed. Inking her initials on the legislation -- "SP" -- Palin reduced funding for Covenant House Alaska by more than 20 percent, cutting funds from $5 million to $3.9 million. Covenant House is a mix of programs and shelters for troubled youths, including Passage House, which is a transitional home for teenage mothers.

According to Passage House's web site, its purpose is to provide "young mothers a place to live with their babies for up to eighteen months while they gain the necessary skills and resources to change their lives" and help teen moms "become productive, successful, independent adults who create and provide a stable environment for themselves and their families."

Palin's own daughter, Bristol, is five months pregnant and has plans to wed.

"Bristol and the young man she will marry are going to realize very quickly the difficulties of raising a child, which is why they will have the love and support of our entire family," Palin said in a statement released by the McCain campaign. "We ask the media to respect our daughter and Levi's privacy, as has always been the tradition of children of candidates."

Earlier today the Associated Press reported that Sen. John McCain (Ariz.), the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, opposed funding to prevent teen pregnancies, a position that Palin also took as governor. "The explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support," she wrote in a 2006 questionnaire distributed among gubernatorial candidates.

Reporters asked McCain in November 2007 whether he supported grants for sex education in the United States, whether such programs should include directions for using contraceptives and whether he supports President Bush's policy of promoting abstinence.

"Ahhh, I think I support the president's policy," McCain said
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Postby seastreet » Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:41 pm

I also recall that Gov. Palin applied equal protection in vetoing a bill sent to her desk from the Alaskan legislature that would have denied health benefits to same sex partners of state employees. She has shown that she doesn't necessarily blend her religious beliefs with her civic duties as an elected official.
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Postby Pacific Fisher » Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:21 pm

seastreet wrote:I also recall that Gov. Palin applied equal protection in vetoing a bill sent to her desk from the Alaskan legislature that would have denied health benefits to same sex partners of state employees. She has shown that she doesn't necessarily blend her religious beliefs with her civic duties as an elected official.


ok, ok so let me get this straight,

For unwed, pregnant teens in Alaska to get benefits they have to have same sex relationships with Alaska state employees?

What next proof of immaculate conception?
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