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Postby Brydog » Sat Sep 06, 2008 9:06 pm

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Oh and seastreet,

Are "endanger" and "immagination" imaginary words?


Give him a break PF. He just forgot to use his "Spellcheck", that or his self appointed upper echelon intelligence is slipping.Image
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Postby Pacific Fisher » Sat Sep 06, 2008 9:12 pm

I did give him a break with an edit, endanger is a word, just not in the context he used it. :rofl:
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Postby seastreet » Sat Sep 06, 2008 9:20 pm

Pacific Fisher wrote:Great, then Sarah and the Republican Party can publicly support a the position that a women who has been raped or a victim of incest should not be forced by state or federal law to have the child.


It is a personal belief and NOT law. It won't be law, so stop trying to mislead people into thinking that she forbid pregnant women in Alaska from having abortions. The only bill she supported was parental consent for girls under 16. A girl under 16 cannot get a flu shot without parental consent, but think abortion should be okay without the parent's knowledge or consent? Sorry... That dog just don't hunt AJ.

Your ability to tell lies is getting more intense AJ. You make something up and repeat it a million times without any proof or logic. Your assumption that Palin would sweep in massive laws against abortion is absurd at best.
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Postby PL_duckhunter12 » Sat Sep 06, 2008 10:19 pm

seastreet wrote:
It won't be law, so stop trying to mislead people


obama isn't going to raise taxes so stop trying to mislead people

seastreet wrote:Your assumption that Palin would sweep in massive laws against abortion is absurd at best.


kinda like your assumption that obama would sweep in massive laws making it near impossible to hunt

its a smear campaign against both sides, dem and rep

both sides are trying to get you to believe them, its politics
i.e. they are both saying they will cut taxes and that their opponent will raise them

and not to sound insensitive but her stand on abortion is the last thing anyone should be worried about if mccain/palin get elected, i know she wouldn't be the pres to start but if something happened to mccain she would have to take over and lead this country, which i honestly don't think she could do very well
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Postby Trois_beaux_canards » Sat Sep 06, 2008 10:32 pm

I hope it's not just my TV but I hate the way he says his eshes ("S's") :rofl:
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Postby David » Sun Sep 07, 2008 6:09 am

PL_duckhunter12 wrote:
seastreet wrote:
It won't be law, so stop trying to mislead people


obama isn't going to raise taxes so stop trying to mislead people

He has already said he would, stop trying to mislead people.

seastreet wrote:Your assumption that Palin would sweep in massive laws against abortion is absurd at best.


kinda like your assumption that obama would sweep in massive laws making it near impossible to hunt

He has tried to make laws that would outlaw semi-automatic weapons, including shotgun, in Illinois. Don't many hunters and target shooters use semi-auto weapons? It's already against the law for felons to own or possess firearms. This would do nothing but make criminals out of law abiding citizens.
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Postby pennsyltucky » Sun Sep 07, 2008 7:08 am

PL_duckhunter12 wrote:
obama isn't going to raise taxes so stop trying to mislead people
your on your own with this little gem.... even brydog and the other crazy libs know he will raise taxation. you are quickly losing any cred you may have had, cuz thats the dumbest thing said so far.

tax the rich business owners, and they raise the price of your goods and services. if you cant understand that, you need to take the 8th grade again

kinda like your assumption that obama would sweep in massive laws making it near impossible to hunt
he has proven by his voting record and his statements that he wants the entire nation to follow in chicago's gun-hate footsteps. again, simple common sense shows you what he intends to do about guns and gun ownership. you need to open your eyes and look around. look who is funding him and who he takes his advise from. theres no need to "assume", its right in front of your face

its a smear campaign against both sides, dem and rep

both sides are trying to get you to believe them, its politics
i.e. they are both saying they will cut taxes and that their opponent will raise them
show me how mccain will raise taxes? obama isnt even dumb enuf to suggest that... do you just pull all your crap outta thin air? im not smearing obama, im telling you the obvious truth. look at his record for yourself, and you will find yourself trying to come with an excuse for everything he's done. he has extreme socialist leanings in everything he does. anti-gun, anti-personal freedom anti-free markets. this isnt even a debatable issue.

and not to sound insensitive but her stand on abortion is the last thing anyone should be worried about if mccain/palin get elected, i know she wouldn't be the pres to start but if something happened to mccain she would have to take over and lead this country, which i honestly don't think she could do very well
and why is that? because she is inexperienced? thats ironic :rofl: you are suggesting that we START OUT with inexperience and see what it gets us since "we need change"... why cant you see the hypocrisy of your own words?
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Postby seastreet » Sun Sep 07, 2008 7:14 am

PL_duckhunter12 wrote:obama isn't going to raise taxes so stop trying to mislead people

Yes he is. It has been clear in his platform in every pandering revision. Your (as mine is too) marginal rates will go up. Obama's tax proposals will hit the most important sector of our economy the most... small business. Jimmy Carter REDUX.


PL_duckhunter12 wrote:kinda like your assumption that obama would sweep in massive laws making it near impossible to hunt

Who said anything about hunting? I'm talking gun ownership, period. If you don't believe the leopard won't show his true spots, then explain these stances and votes which are documented very well regarding Obama real opinion on those big bad nasty guns...


http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/search/s_560181.html

"I am not in favor of concealed weapons," Obama said. "I think that creates a potential atmosphere where more innocent people could (get shot during) altercations."



http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2007/12/sweet_column_obamas_2003_iviip.html

35. Do you support legislation to ban the manufacture, sale and possession of
a. handguns?

While a complete ban on handguns is not politically practicable, I believe reasonable restrictions on the sale and possession of handguns are necessary to protect the public safety. In the Illinois Senate last year, I supported a package of bills to limit individual Illinoisans to purchasing one handgun a month; require all promoters and sellers at firearms shows to carry a state license; allow civil liability for death or injuries caused by handguns; and require FOID applicants to apply in person. I would support similar efforts at the federal level, including retaining the Brady Law.

b. assault weapons?

Yes.

c. ammunition for handguns and assault weapons?

I would support banning the sale of ammunition for assault weapons and limiting the sale of ammunition for handguns.

36. Do you support legislation
a. mandating background checks of purchasers of weapons at gun shows, through the internet and through print advertisements?

Yes.

b. increasing penalties for illegal resale of weapons?

Yes.





http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-guns21web20,1,1290211.story?ctrack=1&cset=true

But the campaign of Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama said that he "...believes that we can recognize and respect the rights of law-abiding gun owners and the right of local communities to enact common sense laws to combat violence and save lives. Obama believes the D.C. handgun law is constititional.



http://obama.senate.gov/news/050729-gunmakers_may_get_suitproof_vest/

...the passage of legal protection for the gun industry would mark an enormous setback for gun control advocates and for leaders of cities such as Chicago, who have filed suit against gun dealers and manufacturers.



http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/specials/elections/chi-0409150153sep15,1,7897647.story?coll=chi-elections-utl

I believe we need to renew--not roll back--this common sense gun law," Obama said. - In reference to the 1994 AWB.


The Audacity of Hope, p.215 Oct 1, 2006

I believe in keeping guns out of our inner cities, and that our leaders must say so in the face of the gun manfuacturer's lobby.



1998 IL State Legislative National Political Awareness Test Jul 2, 1998

Principles that Obama supports on gun issues:

Ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons.
Increase state restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms.
Require manufacturers to provide child-safety locks with firearms.



http://volokh.com/posts/1203389334.shtml

Obama is proposing to make it a felony for a gun owner whose firearm was stolen from his residence which causes harm to another person if that weapon was not securely stored in that home.

He's proposing restricting gun purchases to one weapon a month and banning the sale of firearms at gun shows except for "antique" weapons. Obama is also proposing increasing the licensing fee to obtain a federal firearms license. ....

He's proposing that all federally licensed gun dealers sell firearms in a storefront and not from their homes while banning their business from being within five miles of a school or a park. He's also banning the sale of 'junk" handguns like the popular Saturday Night Specials.



1996 Independent Voters of Illinois – Independent Precinct Organization Questionnaire.

35. Do you support state legislation ???

a. ban the manufacture, sale or possession of handguns?

Yes.

b. ban the manufacture, sale or possession of assault weapons?

Yes.

c. mandatory waiting periods with background checks for weapons?

Yes.




And to round out Obama's true record on guns, I submit the following...

Just a few more things Obama supported while a state senator.

He supported a 500 % increase in federal ammo tax

He supported banning "compact" guns

He supported limiting the amount of guns you can purchase

He supported banning all guns sales (except antique) at gun shows

He supported charging a person with a felony offense if a gun is stolen from their home

He supported the prohibition of people under the age of 21 from owning possessing ANY firearm. ( no more youth hunting)

He supported a giant increase in gun dealers licensing fees

He supported making it illegal to sell a gun within 5 miles of a school or park

He supported the ban on police agencies from selling old service weapons to generate funds for new ones.

He was also the director of the JOYCE foundation which is the largest supporter of radical anti gun groups ( he gave $19 million) including 1.5 million to the ultra radical Violence Policy Center.

Here are some upcoming bills and legislation.

Banning all non serialized/encoded ammo

Banning lead bullets

Banning guns that don't "micro stamp"

Banning "large" ammo mags

Ban all conventional ammo as "armor piercing"

Ban "nonsporting" ammo

Banning Hollow point

Banning or prohibitivley taxing handgun ammo

Banning ammo and guns through consumer product legislation.

Banning .25, .32 ,9mm, 5.7x28, and all 50 cal. ammo

Ban All Black talon, Rhino, Hydro shok, and all other ammo specifically for self defense.



Obama voiced support for or voted to enact laws for:

A ban on all handguns

To ban the sale or transfer of all semiautomatic firearms. (that includes your Benelli shotgun)

Ban the right to carry a concealed weapon in everystate, nation wide.

Ban all home ownership of firearms, even for self defense

He vote against a bill that would excuse people who in violation of a gun ban could be prosecuted for defending themselves. (what that means is if you keep your glock after its banned, and shoot someone defending your life, you go on trial for murder)

He supported a law that all firearms must be stored with individual locks regardless of bulk(safe type) storage.

He voted "present" when asked if he was in support of teenage gang member criminals as adults. Even if the gang member killed someone, they could not receive death.

He opposes mandatory sentencing guidelines for armed criminals.

He supports the DC gun ban.




And finally...

Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)

Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions. (Jul 1998)

2000: cosponsored bill to limit purchases to 1 gun per month.






So in summation, Obama is clearly "anti-gun". No two ways about it. Your continued method of peeing down the back of the voters and telling them that it is raining isn't gonna fly.

Checkmate. :wink:
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Postby Brydog » Sun Sep 07, 2008 7:39 am

This is another issue about Obama that I don't like.
I agree that no Felons should own firearms of any kind. The sad thing is that most of the gun toting criminals on the streets are carrying a stolen handgun. The good thing is they're shooting each other with them.
I don't see the USA implementing a total ban on guns (at least in my lifetime, I'm 49) like has happened in Australia and Britain to name a few.
If I had my way, Everyone would be packing. Then these thug N-words wouldn't be beating up and robbing our Senior Citizens, and they wouldn't dare pull most of the schidt they pull on the streets. If they break in your home, blow em' back out the door or window they came through. It wouldn't stop all the crime but it would definitely make the thugs think twice about acting out their dastardly deeds.
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Postby pennsyltucky » Sun Sep 07, 2008 7:49 am

again, u find yourself making excuses and looking for the possible way to spin your candidates stance... regardless of how bad you think the mccain ticket is, do you actually WANT obama to be in office?

if there was a person running against obama that was somewhat pro-union, pro-immigration, anti-war, gay-neutral, religion-neutral, and pro-life(but with exeptions for rape/incest or other necessary examples), and he had an (I) behind his name, would you still vote for obama? honestly?
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Postby Brydog » Sun Sep 07, 2008 8:20 am

YES, We cannot afford 4 more years of Bush/McCain Policy !
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Postby seastreet » Sun Sep 07, 2008 10:34 am

We cannot afford the first four years of Obama. Without the second amendment, all of the others ones are a moot point.

As George Washington said so famously...

"Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples' liberty's teeth."

His tax policies as well as his passiveness toward our enemies is extremely dangerous. He will be a Jimmy Carter REDUX, who was truly the worst president ever.
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Postby pennsyltucky » Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:06 am

Brydog wrote:YES, We cannot afford 4 more years of Bush/McCain Policy !


lets try again, and ill type slowly..... not mccain or bush, the guy i described. is obama actually attractive as a candidate, or is he just better that bush in you mind?
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Postby Pacific Fisher » Sun Sep 07, 2008 1:37 pm

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Pacific Fisher wrote:Great, then Sarah and the Republican Party can publicly support a the position that a women who has been raped or a victim of incest should not be forced by state or federal law to have the child.


It is a personal belief and NOT law. It won't be law, so stop trying to mislead people into thinking that she forbid pregnant women in Alaska from having abortions. The only bill she supported was parental consent for girls under 16. A girl under 16 cannot get a flu shot without parental consent, but think abortion should be okay without the parent's knowledge or consent? Sorry... That dog just don't hunt AJ.

Your ability to tell lies is getting more intense AJ. You make something up and repeat it a million times without any proof or logic. Your assumption that Palin would sweep in massive laws against abortion is absurd at best.


Below is Sarah Palin's answer.
Gee, I wonder what she possibly could mean by the word legislature.
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Q: Your stand on abortion?
A: I'm pro-life. I'll do all I can to see every baby is created with a future and potential. The legislature should do all it can to protect human life.

Source: Q&A with Newsmax.com's Mike Coppock Aug 29, 2008
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Postby pennsyltucky » Sun Sep 07, 2008 1:50 pm

she meant the legislature so thats what she said. you still dont understand that the VP doesnt appoint judges do you?

mccain would have to die on day 1, and she would have to be pres for 25 years to appoint enuf judges to do what you are talking about. you are wasting your time. its a pro choice world, and thats how it will stay, regardless of what she wants.
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Postby Brydog » Sun Sep 07, 2008 5:17 pm

pennsyltucky wrote:
Brydog wrote:YES, We cannot afford 4 more years of Bush/McCain Policy !


lets try again, and ill type slowly..... not mccain or bush, the guy i described. is obama actually attractive as a candidate, or is he just better that bush in you mind?

You're asking me if I'd Vote for a hypothetical candidate? Hypothetically speaking, Maybe !

Elmer Friggin' Fudd is better than Bush.
Neither you or anyone else could ever convert me to voting Republican,,, even at gunpoint !

BTW,,, Where the hell is Osama Bin Forgotten ???
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Postby PL_duckhunter12 » Sun Sep 07, 2008 6:21 pm

the government will never take our guns away, they may get gun control but never gun abolition

even if obama wanted to he couldn't do all of the things you are saying he wants to do, the most radical of which you don't have links for

i looked at the vohlokh thing among others and don't have a problem with the majority of it, felons shouldn't own guns and you should secure your firearms at home

i know making it harder for felons to obtain guns wont solve the problem but it sure as hell wont hurt, we gotta try something

everything people say right now about how mccain's gonna do this or obama's gonna do that, is all speculation, we wont know who's gonna do what until they're actually pres

you should watch obama's speech in pennsylvania, he adresses alot of the issues people on here are worried about, especially when he takes questions from the audience
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Postby seastreet » Sun Sep 07, 2008 7:10 pm

PL_duckhunter12 wrote:the government will never take our guns away, they may get gun control but never gun abolition

even if obama wanted to he couldn't do all of the things you are saying he wants to do, the most radical of which you don't have links for

i looked at the vohlokh thing among others and don't have a problem with the majority of it, felons shouldn't own guns and you should secure your firearms at home

i know making it harder for felons to obtain guns wont solve the problem but it sure as hell wont hurt, we gotta try something

everything people say right now about how mccain's gonna do this or obama's gonna do that, is all speculation, we wont know who's gonna do what until they're actually pres

you should watch obama's speech in pennsylvania, he adresses alot of the issues people on here are worried about, especially when he takes questions from the audience


Considering that the second amendment survived only by one stinking vote, it is obvious that you are in denial. I guess the koolaid is full strength in your neck of the woods.
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Postby PL_duckhunter12 » Sun Sep 07, 2008 7:35 pm

did ya watch the video?

what is this koolaid you speak of?
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Postby seastreet » Sun Sep 07, 2008 7:43 pm

PL_duckhunter12 wrote:what is this koolaid you speak of?


Obama flavored...

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Postby PL_duckhunter12 » Sun Sep 07, 2008 8:16 pm

thats cute
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Postby seastreet » Sun Sep 07, 2008 8:45 pm

PL_duckhunter12 wrote:thats cute


Yep... And it is being served by this guy...

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Drink up!!! :rofl:
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Postby Brydog » Sun Sep 07, 2008 9:03 pm

Stop it Corky. I'm gonna bust a gut.........Image
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Postby pennsyltucky » Mon Sep 08, 2008 7:12 am

Brydog wrote:
pennsyltucky wrote:
Brydog wrote:YES, We cannot afford 4 more years of Bush/McCain Policy !


lets try again, and ill type slowly..... not mccain or bush, the guy i described. is obama actually attractive as a candidate, or is he just better that bush in you mind?

You're asking me if I'd Vote for a hypothetical candidate? Hypothetically speaking, Maybe !

Elmer Friggin' Fudd is better than Bush.
Neither you or anyone else could ever convert me to voting Republican,,, even at gunpoint !

BTW,,, Where the hell is Osama Bin Forgotten ???
the obvious point to my question was, are you really voting obama because you truely like his policies? or are you voting for him because you think he is better then the other choice? i was trying to give an example of a very middle of the road independent candidate. not anyone in particular, but sorta like leiberman...
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Postby seastreet » Mon Sep 08, 2008 7:26 am

Brydog wrote:Where the hell is Osama Bin Forgotten ???


Running for President?

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