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Postby DuckinFool » Tue Sep 09, 2008 11:51 am

One of Them and One of Us 09/09/2008

Patrick J. Bucahanan

One wonders: What did Sarah Palin ever do to inspire the rage and bile that exploded on her selection by John McCain? What is there either in this woman's record or resume to elicit such feline ferocity? What did we know of her when she was introduced? That she was a mother of five who had brought into this world a baby boy with Down syndrome, thus living her Christian beliefs. That she was a small-town conservative who had risen from mayor of Wasilla (Pop. 9,700) to be governor of a state twice the size of Texas. That she was a reformer who had dethroned an Old Boys' Network by dumping a sitting Republican governor. That she had taken on Big Oil, taxed the companies and returned the money in $1,200 checks to every citizen of Alaska. And that she had cut a deal with Canada to build a pipeline to bring natural gas to her fellow Americans. And, oh, yes. She was "Sarah Barracuda" -- a fierce high school athlete, a runner-up in the Miss Alaska pageant, a Feminist for Life and lifetime member of the NRA. Introduced by McCain, she praised Hillary Clinton and pledged to finish her work by smashing through the glass ceiling in which Hillary had made 18 million cracks. What, in any or all of this, is there to justify the feral attacks within minutes of her introduction? What had she done to cause this outburst? Answer: absolutely nothing. No. Sarah Palin is not resented for what she has done, but for who she is: a Christian conservative who believes unborn children are gifts of God, even those with birth defects, and have a God-given right to life. Normally, the press is reluctant to rummage into the private lives of public servants, unless their conduct affects their duties or they preach virtues they hypocritically do not practice. Yet, no sooner was Palin introduced, than the media went berserk over the news that her 17-year-old daughter is pregnant. As one in three births in America is out-of-wedlock and Hollywood celebrates this lifestyle, why did The New York Times and The Washington Post splash this "news" on page one above the fold? How does Bristol Palin's pregnancy disqualify Sarah Palin to be vice president? Why is it even relevant? They did it because they thought it would damage Sarah Palin in the eyes of a Christian community they do not comprehend. So out of bounds was the media that Obama, in an act of decency, declared Palin's family off limits and reminded the media that he was himself born to a teenage single mom. If one would wish to see the famous liberal double standard on naked display, consider. Palin's daughter was fair game for a media that refused to look into reports that John Edwards, a Democratic candidate for president, was conducting an illicit affair with a woman said to be carrying his child and cheating on his faithful wife Elizabeth, who has incurable cancer. That was not a legitimate story, but Bristol Palin's pregnancy is? Why did the selection of Sarah Palin cause a suspension of all standards and a near riot among a media that has been so in the tank for Barack even "Saturday Night Live" has satirized the infatuation?Because she is one of us -- and he is one of them. Barack and Michelle are affirmative action, Princeton, Columbia, Harvard Law. She is public schools and Idaho State. Barack was a Saul Alinsky social worker who rustled up food stamps. Sarah Palin kills her own food. Michelle has a $300,000-a-year sinecure doing PR for a Chicago hospital. Todd Palin is a union steelworker who augments his income working vacations on the North Slope. Sarah has always been proud to be an American. Michelle was never proud of America -- until Barack started winning. Barack has zero experience as an executive. Sarah ran her own fishing fleet, was mayor for six years and runs the largest state in the union. She belongs to a mainstream Christian church. Barack was, for 15 years, a parishioner at Trinity United and had his daughters baptized by Pastor Jeremiah Wright, whose sermons are saturated in black-power, anti-white racism and anti-Americanism. Sarah is a rebel. Obama has been a go-along, get-along cog in the Daley Machine. She is Middle America. Barack, behind closed doors in San Francisco, mocked Middle Americans as folks left behind by the global economy who cling bitterly to their Bibles, bigotries and guns.Barack has zero foreign policy experience. Palin runs a state that is home to anti-missile, missile and air defense bases facing the Far East, commands the Alaska National Guard and has a soldier-son heading for Iraq. Barack, says the National Journal, has the most left-wing voting record in the Senate, besting Socialist Bernie Sanders. Palin's stances read as though they were lifted from Reagan's 1980 "no pale pastels" platform. And this is what this media firestorm is all about.

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Mr. Buchanan is a nationally syndicated columnist and author of Churchill, Hitler, and "The Unnecessary War": How Britain Lost Its Empire and the West Lost the World, "The Death of the West,", "The Great Betrayal," "A Republic, Not an Empire" and "Where the Right Went Wrong."
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Postby SpinnerMan » Wed Sep 10, 2008 8:18 am

Not a big fan of Pat. Actually I think he's often an ass, but that doesn't change whether what he said is right or wrong. Anybody can make true statements and provide insightful commentary regardless of past things they have done.

If you can't debate the substance, then try to smear the messenger.

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Postby DuckinFool » Wed Sep 10, 2008 8:31 am

brownlou wrote:Did Pat nail it here?


http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/09/0 ... -whiplash/


We can discuss flip flopping if you insist. :yes:
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Postby brownlou » Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:59 am

I am merely pointing out how Pat is. That is all. He sure did jump on the Palin bandwagon quickly.
I wonder what Pat would be saying if Obama had a 17 year old pregnant daughter? I can only imagine.
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Postby SpinnerMan » Wed Sep 10, 2008 12:03 pm

So what is your answer to the fundamental question of Pat's piece?

What did Sarah Palin ever do to inspire the rage and bile that exploded on her selection by John McCain? What is there either in this woman's record or resume to elicit such feline ferocity?


Why do the hate her in your opinion? You can't pretend that there is not a tremendous amount of hatred and venom flowing her way for the "little know small town mayor."
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Postby DuckinFool » Wed Sep 10, 2008 12:24 pm

brownlou wrote:I am merely pointing out how Pat is. That is all. He sure did jump on the Palin bandwagon quickly.
I wonder what Pat would be saying if Obama had a 17 year old pregnant daughter? I can only imagine.


You libs do realize flailing away on a 17 year old girl is getting you nowhere but farther down in the polls don't you?

Now my question to you is what would all you libs be screaming about if John McCain had been under the umbrella of an America hating and racist Jerimiah Wright for twenty years or if McCain had an ongoing relationship with a known terrorist such as David Ayers or if Cindy McCain had assumed a position with a company that her husband previously held a position with and her salary was $300,000.00 and said company was receiving a lot of taxpayer money per influence from John McCain. Now want to tell me what you and the lib media would have to say about that?
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Postby brownlou » Wed Sep 10, 2008 3:50 pm

One quick question....where do I say I am a liberal? I merely asked a question and pointed out how Pat is? Yes, you cannot deny that he jumped on the Palin bandwagon. For all you know, I am on the Palin bandwagon. Just because you didn't know or realize that Pat was putting down Palin, before he supported her, doesn't mean that you should make assumptions about me.

When I see Pat vaccilate like that it just makes me wonder is all. I would hope that any one of you would wonder. Try to look less at the sound bites and look at the facts about both side from every angle.

I see this country is no longer that great nation is once was. We have serious economic issues, house forecloses, rising prices and our manufacturing base has moved to another country and we still have dependency on foreign oil (we did get a wake up call on that in the late 70's early 80's).

Who do I think can help restore this nation?

Neither of them.

Sure, both of them are going to say/do what it takes to get elected. Both are going to make promises and kiss babies but when they get in office it will be the same as usual.

When you look at all the things that anyone of these candidates do, you will find inconsistances abound. These guys/gals are all the same. They are in it for the deal. Making the deal is all that is important to them. It is the nature of the kind of person who goes into that line of work. None of them are one of us or even have a clue how one of us lives. Nor do they care. Yes, I am cynical. I am old and been too disappointed by our so-called leaders.


So, don't lump me in with the democratics or the republicans. I just ask that you think for yourself. And you know, like I know, that Pat Buchanan would be celebrating if Obama had a 17 year old pregnant teenager. I am just happy Jerry Falwell is dead and doesn't have to give his hypocritical opinion.
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Postby dudejcb » Wed Sep 10, 2008 3:57 pm

what rage? That's a right-wing red herring. They always complain about the press so the press will take it easy on them and it's a diversionary tactic that works well on the dim-witted.

don't you think journalists might want to find out more about her, as we all should, when she's pretty much and unkown and has been nominated to be the new president, err. veep. Why does she do all the talking at their stump stops while McSame just stands off tothe side like a school boy?

When will McRove stop hiding behind her skirt? when will McRove show the "honor" he speaks of and quit telling lies... like teaching sex ed to kindergartners?... and distorting the oft quoted (by McRove himself) and trite saying, "a pig with lipstick is still a pig" and then pretending it was an insult directed at Palin?

McRove's campaign has all the old Bushies running things putting out smears just like the old days... and with help from Rove himslef. Gutter politics is working its wonders on right wing nitwits... again! Grow a brain and quit falling for lies and fake outrage.

BTW: anyone who thinks moose stew is the best cuisine ever is, hmmm, taste bud challenged or simply stupid.

I made venison stew last week. It was good and I like it, but no way would I ever claim that by golly "it's my favorite dish." her claim is either as ludicrous as her candidacy, or she is such a hick she's never had any really good food. Oh yeah... that was just a part of her image makeover. I guess that's okay if your an R.
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Postby SpinnerMan » Wed Sep 10, 2008 4:33 pm

dudejcb wrote:what rage?
Where have you been? It is everywhere. There have been a thousand made up lies. Her baby isn't her baby. She banned books from the library. She had an affair. They have been nonstop and repeated by "credible" journalists and news outlets. The condescension about the current governor of Alaska being referred to as a mayor where the townhall is a baitshop. She's a hick. There is a ton of it.

BTW, she was mayor two jobs back. She was last mayor in 2002, while Obama was holding the far superior position of a state legislator :rolleyes:

dudejcb wrote:when will McRove show the "honor" he speaks of and quit telling lies... like teaching sex ed to kindergartners?...
He did support sex ed for kindergartners. That is not a lie. Obama clarified to "age appropriate" sex education for kindergartners. What the hell is age appropriate sex education for a 5 year old kid? There are boys and there are girls. Lesson over.

The left is obsessed with sex. They are determined to include this in the school curriculum. No limits on internet porn or filters in the public library. Why?

dudejcb wrote:and distorting the oft quoted (by McRove himself) and trite saying, "a pig with lipstick is still a pig" and then pretending it was an insult directed at Palin?
It was completely stupid and should have realized the mistake he made when the crowd reacted the way they did. I agree Obama wasn't referring to Palin because he was too stupid to realize the obvious double entendre of what he had said.

dudejcb wrote:BTW: anyone who thinks moose stew is the best cuisine ever is, hmmm, taste bud challenged or simply stupid.

I made venison stew last week. It was good and I like it, but no way would I ever claim that by golly "it's my favorite dish." her claim is either as ludicrous as her candidacy, or she is such a hick she's never had any really good food. Oh yeah... that was just a part of her image makeover. I guess that's okay if your an R.
Not the least bit McRovian are you there dude?
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Postby Brydog » Wed Sep 10, 2008 4:34 pm

You NAILED it that time Dude.
McLame/McSame is totally incompetent. It's a good thing for him that his advisors told him to pick Palin or he'd be up the creek without a paddle.
McCain is nothing but a puppet for the rich,(like Dubya) and a liar to boot. ALL of his Campaign Ads are nothing but blatant lies.
George McCain is a Dolt, Just like his twin brother George (Dubya) Bush.
The same old Retardlican Politics from the same old GOP.(Greedy Old Pricks)
I can't wait to see what comes next from their bag of Dirty Political Tricks.
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Postby dudejcb » Wed Sep 10, 2008 4:42 pm

spinner,

you confuse blogger jackasses with professional journalists. God know Rush never told a whopper, but then again he doesn't call himself a journalist.


Age appropriate sex ed for little ones would be teaching them to run away from strangers with candy, or republicans.

The crowd was reacting to the voracity of his staement about the R's trying to show themselves as change agents... Duh!


I wasn't being a Rovian... that would be outright lying. i was just talking about something that actually happened and commenting on the stupidity of her cuisine claim. An yes, I'm proud to say I'm not very Rovian.
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Postby brownlou » Wed Sep 10, 2008 4:52 pm

I been sitting on the sidelines watching this election for awhile. This has got to be the most entertaining one yet. I love to watch you all post about Obama this and Obama that, Mccain this and Mccain that. LOL!

When Mccain was slipping in the polls and it looked like he might be losing this one, he pulls Palin out of his pocket. I watched the annoucement on CNN and her little speech. I wondered to myself who she was. It didnt take much investigating on the internet to realize that she lied in her very first national speech. Bravo! LOL!
That made me laugh my ass off for sure. What makes me laugh even more is that it is working. Mccain's numbers are going up and he might pull this one off.

Now, I laugh as I see people defending her and Mccain. They don't even realize what Mccain has done. LOL!


P.T Barnum said, "You'll never go broke underestimating the intelligence of the American People."

Bravo, Mccain! Well done. I can't wait to see what these folks will do next.

I expect Palin's VP job to be about like Truman's and I mean the part before Roosevelt died. She is not one of them and they aren't actually going to let her into the club. The good news is that I found a video of her asking what the vp's job is so they won't have a hard time with her once they get elected. Not to worry, she will vote how she is told in the event of a tie.
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Postby SpinnerMan » Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:03 pm

brownlou wrote:For all you know, I am on the Palin bandwagon.
Well with the last post, I think our original impression was spot on. You are definitely not on the Palin bandwagon. I'm really shocked by that.

BTW, what was her lie?
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Postby dudejcb » Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:06 pm

good post Brownlou... totally agree... and I admit the D's have contributed their fair share of entertainment as well.

But you gotta give to the R's. They really know how to get nasty in a hurry, and don't suffer from attacks of conscience.
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Postby brownlou » Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:40 pm

Not to worry, Spinner!
I will be laughing at Obama soon enough. I have gotten my share from him as well. He just hasn't done anything blatantly stupid in the last 2 weeks or so. But I think his knuckles have gone white from holding on to those polls that he still leads on. LOL!!!
I think his lip stick comment was just to see if the press was still following him! LOL!!!
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Postby DuckinFool » Wed Sep 10, 2008 7:36 pm

brownlou wrote:One quick question....where do I say I am a liberal? I merely asked a question and pointed out how Pat is? Yes, you cannot deny that he jumped on the Palin bandwagon.


if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck I call it a duck. :yes:

Yep Pat jumped on the wagon, I jumped on the bandwagon, 20% of the Independents jumped on the wagon and after Obama shoots off his mouth a bit more a whole bunch more will be on the bandwagon.

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Postby brownlou » Wed Sep 10, 2008 8:06 pm

BTW Spinner....
Palin's first national lie was when she said "thanks but no thanks" to congress on the bridge to no where. Then she kept the money. If it looks like an earmark and acts like an earmark then its a earmark. You had to know that one on your own, Spinner.

Duckinfool---
Anyone who takes Pat Buchanan seriously doesn't have room to talk about anything. I have watch Pat for many years and think he a hater monger and an idiot. He has lost all influence in his own party. I believe you must be the last one of his fans.
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Postby pennsyltucky » Wed Sep 10, 2008 8:15 pm

people say "she kept the money" like she stuck it in her bra and ran.....
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Postby seastreet » Wed Sep 10, 2008 8:29 pm

pennsyltucky wrote:people say "she kept the money" like she stuck it in her bra and ran.....


What the libs won't admit is that she stopped the building of the bridge because the plans changed and it got far too expensive. When she stopped it, the money was already appropriated, so she spent it on repairing the infrastructure in the state (roads, existing bridges, etc.).

Anyone care to guess who voted to appropriate that money?

Yep... None other than Senator Barak Obama & Senator Joe Biden.

As Paul Harvey would say... "Now you know the rest of the story".
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Postby DuckinFool » Wed Sep 10, 2008 8:39 pm

brownlou wrote:
Duckinfool---
Anyone who takes Pat Buchanan seriously doesn't have room to talk about anything. I have watch Pat for many years and think he a hater monger and an idiot. He has lost all influence in his own party. I believe you must be the last one of his fans.


Nope not a Buchanan fan. I just saw the article and read it and he was dead on with it IMO.
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Postby Brydog » Thu Sep 11, 2008 6:56 am

"She stopped the Bridge to Nowhere."
--"Original Mavericks" Ad, September 7, 2008.
The McCain-Palin campaign seems to think that a statement becomes true simply by dint of repetition. A TV advertisement repeats the dubious claim that vice-presidential nominee Sarah Palin "stopped" the nation's most infamous symbol of pork-barrel spending. It's been pretty clearly established by now that the "bridge to nowhere" was going nowhere at all before the Alaska governor formally signed the death warrant in September 2007.

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When Sarah Palin announced the abandonment of the "bridge to nowhere" on September 21, 2007, she issued a statement acknowledging the obvious: Congress was no longer prepared to foot the bill. "Much of the public's attitude toward Alaska bridges is based on inaccurate portrayals of the projects here," she told Alaskans. "But we need to focus on what we can do, rather than fight over what has happened."

It was a plea for realism. Pork-barrel spending had become a red-button political issue, and Alaska was routinely cited by watchdog groups as the biggest recipient of Congressional largesse, thanks to the efforts of its long-time Republican senator Ted Stevens and Congressman Don Young. Alaska has consistently topped the pork per capita ratings drawn up by Citizens Against Government Waste since 2000. According to the latest 2008 ranking, every Alaskan received $555 in pork over the last year, compared to $25 for every inhabitant of Illinois and $15 for every Arizonan.

Palin had a different view of the bridge project linking the town of Ketchikan (population 7,500) with an airport on sparsely populated Gravina island when she was running for governor of Alaska in 2006. In answers to a written questionnaire from the Anchorage Daily News, she said that the time to build the bridge was "now--while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist."

As governor, Palin opted to use the $200 million that Congress had originally set aside for the bridge for other transportation projects. It is therefore inaccurate for her to claim, as she did at the Republican Convention earlier this month and repeatedly since, including on the campaign trail today, that she said "thanks, but no thanks," to Congress on the "bridge to nowhere" project.

During her State of the State address in January, Palin told Alaskans that "we cannot and must not rely so heavily on federal government earmarks." While she has cut back on earmark requests, records cited by the Associated Press show that she has requested $750 million in federal subsidies during her two years as governor, the largest per-capita request in the nation.
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Postby seastreet » Thu Sep 11, 2008 7:12 am

Yet no one is calling Obama or Biden to task for voting FOR the appropriation of money for the bridge. Looks like the true "indian givers" are hypocritically calling others, "indian givers". :rolleyes:

So who has a better record of cutting spending and giving money back to the people (for taxpayers, not redistribution)? Anyone cared enough to look at the 2008 Federal Annual Budget and see how many earmarks McCain had compared to Obama?

In case you happened to have "missed" it...

Obama: $98 million dollars in congressional earmarks for Illinois.
McCain: $0 million dollars in congressional earmarks for Arizona.
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Postby SpinnerMan » Thu Sep 11, 2008 7:24 am

brownlou wrote:BTW Spinner....
Palin's first national lie was when she said "thanks but no thanks" to congress on the bridge to no where. Then she kept the money. If it looks like an earmark and acts like an earmark then its a earmark. You had to know that one on your own, Spinner.
You'll have to try again. She did kill the bridge.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A04E7D81F3AF931A1575AC0A9619C8B63
Gov. Sarah Palin ordered state transportation officials to abandon the ''bridge to nowhere'' project that became a nationwide symbol of federal pork-barrel spending. The $398 million bridge would have connected Ketchikan, on one island in southeastern Alaska, to its airport on another nearby island. ''Ketchikan desires a better way to reach the airport,'' Ms. Palin, a Republican, said in a news release, ''but the $398 million bridge is not the answer.'' She directed the State Transportation Department to find the most ''fiscally responsible'' alternative for access to the airport. Ketchikan is Alaska's entry port for northbound cruise ships that bring more than one million visitors yearly. Flights into Gravina Island require a 15-minute ferry ride to reach the more densely populated Revillagigedo Island and Ketchikan.


That is not a lie. She never said she was opposed from the beginning. She never said anything other than she was the person that ultimately killed this infamous project. We don't even have to debate what the definition of is is to say this is not a lie. It is true. Now you can argue she is trying to take to much credit, etc. If you want pick those nits, then please do the same to both sides.

Words have meaning. You need to tighten up your vocabulary. A lie is a knowing telling an untruth or purposeful deception. Making true statements is not a lie. Making false statement is not even a lie if you believe them to be true. A lot of it has to do with the intent and unless you can read somebodies mind, generally calling them a liar is a lie. I don't believe you are a liar, just grasping at straws.

Indisutuable lie is "I have not had sexual relations with that woman" Knowingly false statement.

"Saddam has hidden stockpiles of WMDs" is something everybody (France, Germany, Britain, President Clinton, ...) believe to be true. Not a lie. It appears to be an untrue statement, but everybody was shocked. If it was a "lie" then I guarantee we would have found WMDs because we would have planted them. Disregard the American labels on them, but here they are.

Democrats don't lie, except when absolutely indisputable proof of that it is a lie and then they had a good reason so don't worry about it. Republicans lie even when they are telling the truth because Democrats are too stupid to understand simple english.
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Postby SpinnerMan » Thu Sep 11, 2008 7:32 am

dudejcb wrote:you confuse blogger jackasses with professional journalists. God know Rush never told a whopper, but then again he doesn't call himself a journalist.
The hatred of Palin has got so bad that even Chris Matthews took time out of his show to rip on a couple Democratic party officials. These were NOT blogger jackasses. You can stay in your bubble if you want, but the hatred is way beyond the basement trolls posting on there blogs that nobody reads.
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