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Postby dudejcb » Fri Sep 26, 2008 3:27 pm

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brownlou wrote:Where can I see Joe Biden's comments in full context?
I never see that...only the little snipets is all I can find.


both sides do this.... isnt it aggitating? :rolleyes: its like there is a room full of editors picking thru all the media for a short half sentence to put completely out of context against the other side :hammer:

at this point, there isnt anything that could be spun or smeared on sarah or mccain that would make me not vote republican.

would the whole and complete dumb things they are saying and doing--without spin--have any impact so you would not vote republican?
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Postby SpinnerMan » Fri Sep 26, 2008 3:31 pm

Dude,

Welcome back. Now you be good.

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Postby dudejcb » Fri Sep 26, 2008 3:56 pm

Thanks Spinner. I'll try my bestest.
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Postby pennsyltucky » Fri Sep 26, 2008 4:32 pm

dudejcb wrote:would the whole and complete dumb things they are saying and doing--without spin--have any impact so you would not vote republican?


specifically?...."without spin"
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Postby Tom Phillips* » Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:34 pm

SpinnerMan wrote:I absolutely do not believe there is any relevance at all to that. I think it's a thousand times more likely that he had put Heinz 57 ketchup on his french fries at lunch and that is where the 57 came from


Right. Your belief makes the concern that it was just a Freudian slip on B. HUSSEIN Obama's part all go away.

However, there ARE 57 Islamic States in the Organization of the Islamic Conference (IOC). Maybe you didn't know that. Maybe it's just a remarkable coincidence.

Check out the link to be sure:

http://www.infoplease.com/spot/oicstates1.html

Maybe you feel comfortable with a president whose wife is just now (because her husband is running for president) proud of her country.

Maybe you feel comfortable with a President who attended a church for twenty years where his pastor said: "No, no, no, not God Bless America. It's God Damn America, it's in the bible..."

You might also be comfortable with a guy who for at least part of his life was raised by muslims, has many family members who are muslim, who is considered a muslim by all the muslim world, and even admitted to "My Muslim Faith."

You might be comfortable knowing all that, or perhaps you don't know all that. Perhaps you know most of that, and can explain it away.

I'm not comfortable with it, and based on the EVIDENCE, reasonable people might think there is cause for concern.

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Postby pennsyltucky » Sat Sep 27, 2008 6:46 am

didt he say they had been to 57 and had 3 more to go to? i just figured he had meant 47... either that, or he was campaigning in canada too? :biggrin:
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Postby Pacific Fisher » Sat Sep 27, 2008 10:18 am

Tom,

Obama is not a Muslim and you know it.
Just a cheap scare tactic by you.
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Postby brownlou » Sat Sep 27, 2008 3:14 pm

Hey Tom--
If you get bored you might want to check out these websites.

http://www.elvis-is-alive.com/

http://www.pilotsfor911truth.org/

http://www.usvetdsp.com/manchuan.htm

The last one is about Mccain being the Manchurian Candidate.

Of course, I know it is not true so it doesn't scare me.
Does it scare you?

Or is it that you have a hard time with people who have names different from your own? My father's name was Carlo Budavitus when he got off the boat. Do you have a problem with that as well? My brother's daughter is a lesbian. Do you have a problem with that?

I have a christian cousin who married a muslim Iranian she met in college. Do you have a problem with that? These are my relatives and I love them all.

Boy, your narrowminded life must stink. I see that you live in the San Francisco Area of California. All your neighbors must be really tolerant people.

Tom, you want to peddle prejudice and scare tactics. I have seen your kind before.
You aren't worth my time and I will never read another post from you.
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Postby Redline29 » Sat Sep 27, 2008 9:02 pm

If obama was a muslum and his views were good i would not have a problem with it. I don't like obama because he is a flat out Marxist. Peroid, I don't care that he is ummm black, even though he is more arab than black...he is half white...that has never, nor will it ever be an issue with me. I oppose what he stands for and that is socialism.
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Postby SpinnerMan » Sun Sep 28, 2008 7:13 am

Tom Phillips* wrote:Maybe you feel comfortable with a president whose wife ...
There is nothing that would make me comfortable about this guy, as you well know. This just isn't one thing that makes me uncomfortable. It's a bunch of paranoid B.S. IMHO.

Worst case. It's true and you look like your paranoid and it helps him get elected. Either case it is one issue that just helps the guy. Unless that's actually what your goal is. Are you and Obama plant trying to discredit the rest of us?

Pacific, Obama was a muslim for a while. As a kid and there is no indication he ever took ANY religion seriously. He really looks like he chose Reverend Wright because it was a big powerful influential black church in Chicago which he could use as a stepping stone. What has Obama ever done that wasn't a stepping stone for his ambitions?
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Postby DUCKCUTR » Sun Sep 28, 2008 1:38 pm

Pacific Fisher wrote:I think Bush has set a record for saying stupid/crazy things as a President that will stand for a long, long time.


Speaking of standing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRV5Y1JC ... re=related
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Postby Tom Phillips* » Sun Sep 28, 2008 3:52 pm

Pacific Fisher wrote:Tom,

Obama is not a Muslim and you know it.
Just a cheap scare tactic by you.


Maybe it's just a Freudian Slip?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMUgNg7aD8M
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Postby Tom Phillips* » Sun Sep 28, 2008 3:57 pm

Redline29 wrote:If obama was a muslum and his views were good i would not have a problem with it. I don't like obama because he is a flat out Marxist. Peroid, I don't care that he is ummm black, even though he is more arab than black...he is half white...that has never, nor will it ever be an issue with me. I oppose what he stands for and that is socialism.


Well stated, and you've made your points precisely. B. Hussein Obama is a Marxist and a Socialist. (for starters.) :thumbsup:
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Postby Tom Phillips* » Sun Sep 28, 2008 4:09 pm

SpinnerMan wrote: Worst case. It's true and you look like your paranoid and it helps him get elected.


SpinnerMan,

Remember that Reagan saying? The one I'm thinking about went something like this: "The scariest words in the English language are: "I'm from the government, and I'm here to help you."

I think the B. Hussein Obama campaign probably feels more along that line, than it has gratitude to me for helping them. :biggrin:
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Postby Pacific Fisher » Sun Sep 28, 2008 6:05 pm

Obama is neither a marxist or socialist.
More cheap scare tactics. Ridiculous and outdated.
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Postby pennsyltucky » Sun Sep 28, 2008 7:13 pm

Pacific Fisher wrote:Obama is neither a marxist or socialist.


all of his ideas and positions are socialist. just because he doesnt tell us he is socialist, doesnt mean he isnt. you dont have to like it, and you can deny it to yourself if you want, but if it walks and talks like a duck.....

how can "take money from the productive and give it to the unproductive" and "tax funded, government run healthcare" be anything but wealth-redistribution and socialism? you have lots of real pretty names for it, but lipstick on a pig is....... i think you heard that one :biggrin:
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Postby Pacific Fisher » Sun Sep 28, 2008 8:49 pm

This is as ridiculous as the McCarthy witch hunts.

Cheap scare tactics.

Sarah Palin has been living very close to Russia, is she now or has she ever been a member of the Communist Party? :rofl:
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Postby Redline29 » Sun Sep 28, 2008 9:31 pm

Pacific Fisher wrote:This is as ridiculous as the McCarthy witch hunts.

Cheap scare tactics.

Sarah Palin has been living very close to Russia, is she now or has she ever been a member of the Communist Party? :rofl:


OK...ummm...that does not make any sence.

Obama is a Marxist and if you ever took time to read the communist manifesto you would see that Obama damn near uses phrses right from it. Obama website and the Uniter states socialist partys website damn near says the same thing also.


If this is not socialist type tatic i am not sure what is...

http://governor.mo.gov/cgi-bin/coranto/ ... l=newsitem
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Postby SpinnerMan » Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:19 am

Pacific Fisher wrote:Obama is neither a marxist or socialist.
Obama cannot honestly say he is not nor never has been a muslim, because he was but no longer is. He also cannot say he does not nor never had socialist/communist leanings, because he absolutely does.

You are a socialist. Why is that a witch hunt? Could you tell me the difference between a big federal government liberal and a socialist. You believe in virtually everything the stereotypical socialist believes in, but you think this is some sort of scare tactic. :huh:

Check into Obama's affiliation with ACORN.

Go do some research on who influenced Obama during his youth. These were open communists.
Not the best source, but you can find it for yourself if you really cared. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=63212

Most of the poverty problems that he was "solving" as a community organizer are flat out communism. Government paying all the bills regardless of what you make. "To each according to his needs, ..."

Obama was and still is very heavily influenced by the communist/socialist model for solving problems. You would think a smart guy like Obama would look at the nearly complete destruction these ideas have brought upon places like the southside of Chicago, but he just thinks we need more. What a clueless moron!
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Postby pennsyltucky » Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:21 am

Pacific Fisher wrote:This is as ridiculous as the McCarthy witch hunts.

Cheap scare tactics.

Sarah Palin has been living very close to Russia, is she now or has she ever been a member of the Communist Party? :rofl:


you really cant see the parallels? have you read alinsky's book? (barak obviously has) if you havent, get it. im sure you will find it pretty familiar.
http://www.amazon.com/Rules-Radicals-Sa ... 573&sr=1-1

also, this one is a quick read. many of the liberal positions are detailed perfectly in this one. seriously. im not bashing or spinning it. the right has its extreme also, but thats another thread...

http://www.amazon.com/Communist-Manifes ... 0451527100
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Postby Pacific Fisher » Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:05 am

Spin the scare tactics all you want.

Obama is trying to help improve middle class income, education, health care, and infrastructure. McCain did not even mention the middle class in the debate.
The United States ought to be able to improve those things if it can magically come up with a Trillion to invade and occupy Iraq and another Trillion to bail out Wall street.
And of course there is going to have to be a big push in Afghanistan which in right order should have been done before recklessly invading Iraq.

The reality is that the next President will not be able to do very much of anything, because they are inheriting an empty bank account.
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Postby Rat Creek » Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:20 am

That bank account has been empty for a long time.

Honestly, is there no honor is being a socialist? I don’t understand why people run from the term. I often hear liberals or socialist refer to themselves as progressive, but their views are pure socialism. If you are a socialist or Marxist, why not claim it proudly? :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

I am a proud conservative, Christian who believes that the private sector can do almost everything better than government. Call me a dirty capitalist. I’m okay with that. Will I sell you the rope for my hanging? Maybe. :umm:

Why does the term Marxist or socialist hurt so badly? It is what it is.
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Postby SpinnerMan » Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:24 am

Pacific Fisher wrote:Obama is trying to help improve middle class income, education, health care, and infrastructure.
I don't doubt his motives. I doubt his methods.

He spent years in the southside of Chicago. How do you think he will make tangible improvements in the entire country if he could not make tangible improvements in a small part of a city? He was completely incapable of identifying the root cause of the problems in this small area and then fix them. You can't seriously believe he is going to miraculously be able to address the infinitely more complex issues of the entire nation :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

He is going to try to help, but the unintended consequences will do far more harm than good.

Every action has a reaction. Obama doesn't comprehend the chain of reactions that his plans would trigger and all the negative unintended consequenses that would result. The south side of chicago is the unintended consequence of liberal policies.
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Postby dudejcb » Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:32 am

check out the anti Palin Alaskan's... they ought to know
http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/09/1 ... y-is-huge/
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Postby pennsyltucky » Mon Sep 29, 2008 4:42 pm

Pacific Fisher wrote:The reality is that the next President will not be able to do very much of anything, because they are inheriting an empty bank account.


i hope you are 100% right on this :thumbsup: i hope we elect someone, and when they get to their office, the doors are locked and the building is foreclosed... we have had more government in the last 20 years than we need for 100...
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