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Postby CLUTCHfan » Thu Oct 02, 2008 6:05 pm

You guy will have to let me know how it goes (although I've got a pretty good idea how it will), because I'm working tonight, and don't have a TV at the house. I almost feel bad for Palin.
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Postby QUACK3XS » Thu Oct 02, 2008 6:07 pm

Are you AMISH :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: No TV :huh:
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Postby Redline29 » Thu Oct 02, 2008 7:40 pm

Sarha dropped the ball on global warming..damnit it. She is not doing too bad...Biden talks a lot and says nothing. Put it this way...bull sh*t is flying and get your boots on. Still a lot to go...so...
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Postby semo88 » Thu Oct 02, 2008 7:46 pm

Political beliefs aside, Biden seems much more in control, it sounds like Palin is repeating something she’s studied all week. Kinda the reverse of the last debate really…Biden has more experience to base statements on, Palin has to form a response based on less experience, just as Obama did.
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Postby CLUTCHfan » Thu Oct 02, 2008 7:46 pm

QUACK3XS wrote:Are you AMISH :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: No TV :huh:


I've got a TV, but no cable or local channels. Just watch movies now and then.
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Postby QUACK3XS » Thu Oct 02, 2008 7:57 pm

Just pickin CLUTCH :thumbsup: I can hear Obiden breathing when Palin is talking :rofl:
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Postby semo88 » Thu Oct 02, 2008 7:57 pm

I don't care who says it, hearing "nuclear" pronounced "nucular" bugs the hell out of me.
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Postby CLUTCHfan » Thu Oct 02, 2008 8:05 pm

QUACK3XS wrote:Just pickin CLUTCH :thumbsup:


Don't worry about it. :biggrin: I'm still trying to figure out how to light my electric stove. Between doing that, and trying to catch the ghosts that turn my garage lights on everytime I walk by, I wouldn't have time to watch TV anyway.
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Postby pennsyltucky » Thu Oct 02, 2008 8:33 pm

she gives the impression that she rolled up to the debate in a muddy 4x4. biden is good at talkin about foreign stuff, but he has trouble reigning in his buffoonery. every sentence starts with something about bush, which is just cheap shots.


gwen ifil is doing an awesome job tho. there was a little concrn, but id like to see her more :thumbsup:
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Postby semo88 » Thu Oct 02, 2008 8:38 pm

pennsyltucky wrote:
gwen ifil is doing an awesome job tho.


Yup :thumbsup: .
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Postby devildog28 » Thu Oct 02, 2008 8:45 pm

Did anyone else get turned on when Palin said "drill baby drill!" ? :biggrin:
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Postby apexhunter » Thu Oct 02, 2008 8:53 pm

That turned me on more so than Biden's hypocrisy pi$#ed me off. He went on and on about the constitutional rights of a "couple" (talking about same sex here) to visitation, contracts, etc out of one side of his mouth then out of the other was a glaring NO when asked if he supports same sex marriages.

Which friggin' side of the fence are you on Joe? You can't grant constitutional rights to a group that you blatantly deny should exist. Personally I'm totally against same sex marriages, but he just proved, again, that his left wing, liberal, hypocritical standpoint is to give everybody everything even if he doesn't acknowledge their existence.
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Postby QUACK3XS » Thu Oct 02, 2008 8:53 pm

DOWN GOES OBIDEN...DOWN GOES OBIDEN.



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Postby semo88 » Thu Oct 02, 2008 8:54 pm

devildog28 wrote:Did anyone else get turned on when Palin said "drill baby drill!" ? :biggrin:


See my previous post.

First VP candidate to turn me on since Spiro Agnew. :eek: er, wait, first VP candidate EVER to turn me on... :oops:
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Postby semo88 » Thu Oct 02, 2008 8:57 pm

apexhunter wrote:That turned me on more so than Biden's hypocrisy pi$#ed me off. He went on and on about the constitutional rights of a "couple" (talking about same sex here) to visitation, contracts, etc out of one side of his mouth then out of the other was a glaring NO when asked if he supports same sex marriages.

Which friggin' side of the fence are you on Joe? You can't grant constitutional rights to a group that you blatantly deny should exist. Personally I'm totally against same sex marriages, but he just proved, again, that his left wing, liberal, hypocritical standpoint is to give everybody everything even if he doesn't acknowledge their existence.


Palin said pretty much the same thing.....both agreed that same-sex couples should have some constitutional rights like everyone else, (I think visitation rightsas was the one they agreed on for sure) but both also agreed that the traditional definition of marriage should be the union between a man and a woman.
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Postby La. Hunter » Thu Oct 02, 2008 9:12 pm

Even the communist news network is admitting that Palin did great in the debate.
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Postby jaemersonke » Thu Oct 02, 2008 9:57 pm

Could you possibly be talking about msnbc?
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Postby La. Hunter » Thu Oct 02, 2008 10:23 pm

jaemersonke wrote:Could you possibly be talking about msnbc?


No, that would be CNN!
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Postby GroundSwatter » Fri Oct 03, 2008 7:28 am

I watched most of it. I think Palin did a better of plugging McCain while Biden struggled with plugging himself instead of Obama. Then it kind of turned around and Palin struggled with some of the Foreign Policy, nothing embarrassing, just a couple of hiccups here and there.

Neither one attacked the other, there was no big screw up. I think Palin helped the republican ticket out more than Biden helped the Dems, but I don't think anyone came away as "winner of the debate" and neither hurt their running mate, which I think is big in VP debates.

I too love the, "Drill baby Drill"
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Postby pennsyltucky » Fri Oct 03, 2008 8:09 am

i was hopin to see biden stick himself in the eye with somethin huge :biggrin: i was a little disappointed cuz he is usually good for at least one retard remark
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Postby SpinnerMan » Fri Oct 03, 2008 8:15 am

Same sex - I think Palin did a poor job explaining the difference. There is a big difference, but her articulation of it was poor. My interpretation is that Biden is for same sex marriage that would be exactly the same legally as traditional marriage between two unrelated adults of opposite sex, but we will call it something else. Palin supports basic rights for individuals. For example, you should be able to specify some person to have legal rights when you are hospitalized, but it doesn't have to be someone you are having sex with. It could be your sibling, parent, etc. It's not a marriage issue. There are a number of these. She did not explain it well at all. This is also why I don't like social security and pensions. People that are not married, for whatever reason (never meet the right person, they are gay, ...) get cheated. The gay guy, the single woman, all pay the same in, but they and their heirs get less out. That is wrong.

Question I wish they would have asked. Senator Biden, you say it's a Constitutional right. Do any two adults have a Constitutional Right to a legal equivalent to marriage? Does this include brother and sister, brother and brother, or any other sick combination? Why are brother and sister precluded from marrying if it is a constitutional right?

Ending the war - I think she did a poor job pointing out there are two ways to end a war. You can win or you can lose. Biden insists we will end it, which means we will quit and go home if that is what it takes to end it. You can't give the enemy a fixed time that they have to run out the clock. It ends when the enemy thinks it is hopeless and not a moment sooner. This just gives them a milestone to work towards.

She also missed the opportunity to emphasize that as Biden even said. McCain voted against a win or quit deadline and Obama voted against funding the troops. That's even what Biden actually said, but she really needed to clarify what Biden was saying when he said McCain voted against the same legislation "because it had a timeline in it" As we all know Obama has been pro-timeline, say that can't be what he was voting against.


Diplomacy - The quote of the day is Biden's view of Diplomacy "Talk, talk, talk"

The question I would have asked is how do you conduct diplomacy with a mass murderer, a dictator, etc? If they were reasonable, honest people, then we wouldn't have a problem with them because they wouldn't be mass-murdering tyrants. Diplomacy is a way to buy time and that is all it is. It's either buying time to do something the other side doesn't want, such as Iran building nukes. Or it is buying time to avoid doing the things nobody wants to do or is afraid to do. Many times kicking the can down the road is the right thing to do, but that's all diplomacy is. Diplomacy with an enemy never solves anything. You can negotiate with your allies, because it will be honest compromises. Who believes any of the dictators anywhere in the world believe they are bound by any terms they agree to? Sadly I think Biden and Obama thinks they can negotiate a deal that Iran will actually honor, just like Clinton thought he could negotiate a deal with North Korea. That was a 100% failure. We upheld our end (and gave them stuff) and they didn't uphold their end for a single day.
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Postby Tom Phillips* » Fri Oct 03, 2008 11:23 am

SpinnerMan wrote:Same sex

Republicans: Marriage is between one man and one woman
Democrats: Well, for now marriage is between one man and one woman, but everything (Change) is on the table if we win the election.


Ending the war

Republicans: Win it.
Democrats: Surrender


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Diplomacy - The quote of the day is Biden's view of Diplomacy "Talk, talk, talk"

The question I would have asked is how do you conduct diplomacy with a mass murderer, a dictator, etc?

Republicans: refer to Ronald Reagan and Muamar Quadafi. Don't make us mad, or we'll kill you and your family. Net result: They don't make us mad.

Democrats: Talk, talk, talk, and wait for bad things to happen.



Of course they ran a little longer and were less concise. :biggrin:
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Postby MacMan » Fri Oct 03, 2008 12:46 pm

A biggie that I've not seen or heard mentioned:

Paliln;

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Postby DuckinFool » Fri Oct 10, 2008 1:06 pm

And they have the gall to call Sarah Palin silly and unqualified?

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If Sarah Palin had made just one of the wildly inaccurate statements smugly uttered by Sen. Joe Biden in last week's vice presidential debate, there would have been 3-inch headlines in newspapers across America. (I can almost hear Katie Couric asking me, "Which newspapers?")

These weren't insignificant errors, such as when Biden said, "Look, all you have to do is go down Union Street with me in Wilmington or go to Katie's restaurant or walk into Home Depot with me where I spend a lot of time, and you ask anybody in there whether or not the economic and foreign policy of this administration has made them better off in the last eight years."

It turns out that Katie's restaurant, where Biden gets his feel for the average American, closed 20 years ago. The only evidence that he spends any time in Home Depot is that it appears that a pipe wrench fell on his head one too many times.

Palin would surely have been forced to withdraw from the ticket had she said something like that, but most of Biden's errors were not trifling mistakes like these. They were lengthy Lyndon LaRouche-like disquisitions that were pure fantasy from beginning to end.

For example, Biden said about Hezbollah: "When we kicked -- along with France -- we kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon." Hezbollah was never kicked out of Lebanon.

He continued: "I said and Barack said, 'Move NATO forces in there. Fill the vacuum, because if you don't, Hezbollah will control it.'" This is madness -- Lebanon is not a NATO country, nor had any NATO country been attacked by Lebanon.

Somebody please tell me that Biden wasn't picked for the Democrat ticket based on his knowledge of foreign policy.

Biden also stoutly denied that Obama ever said he would sit down with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Liberals find it hilarious that McCain can't use a computer keyboard on account of his war injuries, but Biden is apparently unaware of the Internet, because there are clips all over the Internet of Obama saying exactly that during the CNN/YouTube debate last year.

Biden might have remembered that debate since: (1) He was there, and (2) he later attacked Obama's answer, telling the National Press Club in August 2007: "Would I make a blanket commitment to meet unconditionally with the leaders of each of those countries within the first year I was elected president? Absolutely, positively, no."

And that's still not all! Obama's own Web site says: "Obama supports tough, direct presidential diplomacy with Iran without preconditions."

Somebody please tell me that Biden wasn't picked for the Democrat ticket based on his ability to remember well-known facts.

Biden also gave a long speech at the debate on vice president **** Cheney's "dangerous" belief that "he's part of the legislative branch." The great constitutional scholar Biden cited Article I of the Constitution as proof that Cheney "works in the executive branch" and has "no authority relative to the Congress." Biden huffily added: "He should understand that. Everyone should understand that."

Palin would have had to deny that Alaska is a state in the union in order to say something comparably stupid.

Article II, not I, describes the executive branch. Someone tell Biden, who is supposed to be a lawyer. Apart from getting the Articles of the Constitution mixed up, what on earth does Biden mean when he says that the vice president "has no authority relative to Congress," apart from breaking ties?

The Constitution makes him president of the senate every day of the week. I realize that Biden may not be able to count to two, but Article I says the vice president is president of one of the two houses of Congress -- the one Biden is in, for crying out loud -- which is what you might call "authority relative to Congress."

Somebody please tell me that Biden wasn't picked for the Democrat ticket based on his knowledge of the Constitution.

In one especially hallucinatory answer, Biden authoritatively stated: "With Afghanistan, facts matter, Gwen. ... We spend more money in three weeks on combat in Iraq than we spent on the entirety of the last seven years that we have been in Afghanistan building that country."

According to the Congressional Research Service, since 9/11, we've spent $172 billion in Afghanistan and $653 billion in Iraq. The most money spent in Iraq came in 2008, when we have been spending less than $3 billion a week. So by Biden's calculations, we've spent only about $9 billion "on the entirety of the last seven years that we have been in Afghanistan building that country." There isn't even a "9" in $172 billion.

Somebody please tell me that Biden wasn't picked for the Democrat ticket based on his knowledge of math.

In the same answer, Biden went on to claim that "John McCain voted against a comprehensive nuclear test ban treaty that every Republican has supported."

The last nuclear test ban treaty the Senate voted on was the one Clinton signed in the '90s. As The New York Times editorialized on the Senate vote a few years later: "Last week, Senate Republicans thundered 'no' to the nuclear test ban treaty, handing the White House its biggest defeat since health care in 1994." Forty-nine Republicans voted against the treaty; only four liberal Republicans voted for it. That's the treaty Biden says "every Republican has supported."

Somebody please tell me that Biden wasn't picked for the Democrat ticket based on his ability to function as vice president.

:lol: :rofl: Biden is a buffoon. :yes:
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