dudejcb wrote: do you know that Republicans were the original "progressives?" It's quite a leap from being populist or progressive (promoting fairness for those with little power or influence) to being a socialist where everyone gets screwed except the party elite.
dude, you are correct that intially the republicans were the "liberals" and the dem's were the "conservatives." As we all know Lincoln was a Republican and he did some radical things for his time, such as freeing slaves, etc. Nothing wrong with it, just stating that was a radical movement for the era.
I currently think the party names are more fitting with the arrangement we have now as it does appear that Rep's, although they are not totally for small government, want to leave more power to the states and dem's want a larger federal government.
I agree with spinner in the fact that at least with rep's they're going to keep the government smaller than the dem's would.
As for you comment on socialism, there are a lot of different concepts of socialism, such as democratic socialism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_socialism
Some definitions of democratic socialism simply refers to all forms of socialism that follow an electoral, reformist or evolutionary path to socialism, rather than a revolutionary one.
I know we all seem to think of Russia when we think of socialism, but much of Europe has been heavily influenced by democratic socialism, i.e. all the European Labor Unions, Health Care Systems, etc.
Sweden, although not totally democratic socialist, still kind of acts like it since they tax their people around 40%-60% (I think it used to be closer to 80%) of their salaries and provide them with health care, education, etc. So everyone there has a decent quality of life, but you all have the same stuff, unless you use whats left of your salary to buy nicer things. Also, I believe most of the businesses are government owned. It is democratic in a way that they do elect officials.
In these definitions, I don't think of socialism as evil, but anytime you put more power into the hands of your Federal Government, their is more temptation for corruption and more temptation to strip citizens rights away to remain in power, hence why I prefer small government.
So saying that we'll become a socialist country if we vote for Obama is a stretch, but the things he speaks about, the regulations he wants to implement, the government programs the current dem's have supported time and time again look to be moving in that direction.
Do you think the guy that makes $20,000 a year should get the same health care as the guy that makes $200,000 a year? If you think everyone has a right to health care, that is a socialist concept.
Some of this I'm working on memory, so if there are any fallacies, please correct me.
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