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Postby Tom Phillips* » Fri Oct 17, 2008 10:14 am

Here are a few words from the past for the Liberal/Socialist/Communists of today who seem very willing to give up their freedoms. Sam said this to some British sympathizers of his day:

"If you love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home and leave us in peace. We seek not your council, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."
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Postby Rat Creek » Fri Oct 17, 2008 10:28 am

It is sad the way our fellow Americans are so happy to hear things like "we need to spread the wealth around." It is so far from our founders intentions that Sam Adams wouldn't recognize this country today.

With my own ears this week in IL, I heard fine democrats talk excitedly about how Obama was going to "get those rich people and spread the money around." That is an exact quote from a fine democrat that I beleive accurately portrays the general opinion of the left. Class warfare at its finest. Marx would be proud.
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Postby CLUTCHfan » Fri Oct 17, 2008 10:45 am

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Postby GroundSwatter » Fri Oct 17, 2008 10:49 am

Great quote Clutch!
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Postby DUCKCUTR » Fri Oct 17, 2008 8:29 pm

Nice...and how relevant they still are today. People just don't talk like that anymore. Everything is a bumper sticker or talking point.
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Postby ctbduck » Sun Oct 19, 2008 8:49 am

So something that was said to the British 300 years ago somehow has merit today? Thanks Tom Phillips, anymore brain busters you just keep them coming.
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Postby DuckinFool » Sun Oct 19, 2008 9:44 am

Except we got a helluva lot more blood sucking leeches today than they could have dreamed of 300 years ago.
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Postby CLUTCHfan » Sun Oct 19, 2008 4:14 pm

ctbduck wrote:So something that was said to the British 300 years ago somehow has merit today? Thanks Tom Phillips, anymore brain busters you just keep them coming.


I guess you're one of those "Never learned from history, so you're doomed to repeat it" types. Most things that held true 300 years ago still hold true today.
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Postby jehler » Sun Oct 19, 2008 5:40 pm

ctbduck wrote:So something that was said to the British 300 years ago somehow has merit today? Thanks Tom Phillips, anymore brain busters you just keep them coming.
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Postby ctbduck » Sun Oct 19, 2008 6:15 pm

actually Im never going to repeat anything that was done 300 years ago. And not much that was true politically 300 years ago is true today. I love how you are the smart one that just mocks what everyone else says ClUTCHfan, but never really say anything.
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Postby Redline29 » Sun Oct 19, 2008 6:45 pm

ctbduck wrote:actually Im never going to repeat anything that was done 300 years ago. And not much that was true politically 300 years ago is true today.


OK...explain yourself. Some context please.
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Postby GroundSwatter » Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:06 am

ctbduck wrote:actually Im never going to repeat anything that was done 300 years ago


Obviously 300 years ago, the British represented a tyrannical government of the time. How many more tyrannical governments have come along since them, sure the US hasn't been one of them, but lets look at Russia, oh yeah, Italy and Germany had one they're still was less than a century ago. How many still exist, in a North Korea, in Iran, and most of the continent of Africa.

300 Years ago it was the British, there are still countries all over the world that have tyrannical power houses in which the people have little to no say in the politics.

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I would have to say our founding fathers were wise beyond their years in trying to form a government that it would be difficult to corrupt. It wasn't totally immune to corruption, but they put enough speed bumps in it to keep crazy policies from passing.

We're now 230+ years removed from their initial vision and I would have to say the further we get from their initial vision, the closer we move towards giving our government enough power to be a tyrannical government. It will take time, as a Democratic Republic always takes time to get anything moving, but how you vote often determines how much faster we move in that direction.

Also, to make a blanket statement:

ctbduck wrote:actually Im never going to repeat anything that was done 300 years ago


This is just ignorant, if you don't want to repeat anything that was done 300 years ago, stop hunting all together as that has been going on since the beginning of time. Sure the tools are little different, but I'm 100% certain we've done it since this frail form known as Homo Sapien and our more primitive counter parts were created.
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Postby ctbduck » Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:14 am

I meant politically groundswatter.
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Postby GroundSwatter » Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:45 am

I meant politically groundswatter.


Then please clarify your blanket statement.
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Postby CLUTCHfan » Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:41 pm

ctbduck wrote: I love how you are the smart one that just mocks what everyone else says ClUTCHfan, but never really say anything.


Really? I love that too. Guess we've got something in common.
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Postby SpinnerMan » Mon Oct 20, 2008 6:33 pm

ctbduck wrote:I meant politically groundswatter.
Still don't know what you mean. Much of the greatest philosophical concepts are far older than 300 years whether you are prefer Christ or secular ideas. Humans have been humans since the beginning of human history. The truths never change just like the laws of physics never change. We try to pretend like we can bend the rules and get away with it, but it never works and it never will.

GroundSwatter wrote:I would have to say our founding fathers were wise beyond their years
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It can't all be about short term monetary gain. There has got to be some higher principle greater than yourself that is worth fighting for and that just doesn't mean going to war.
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Postby dudejcb » Tue Oct 21, 2008 12:16 pm

what I find ironic is that self professed conservatives are all for domestic spying, no habeas corpus, and no freedom of assembly at their political "rallies"... whicha re are genuine reductions on our personal freedoms.

Yet they get all gushy about personal freedom when it comes to taxes or other issues that while perhaps annoying, do not take away actual freedoms.

Go figure. is there an agenda a play here?
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Postby SpinnerMan » Tue Oct 21, 2008 2:16 pm

dudejcb wrote:what I find ironic is that self professed conservatives are all for domestic spying, no habeas corpus, and no freedom of assembly at their political "rallies"... whicha re are genuine reductions on our personal freedoms.
There is no freedom to communicate with foreigners across our national boundaries. Never has been and never should be. Foreigners in the U.S. also do not have the same rights we have. They are here at our pleasure. If they don't like it they can leave.

It wasn't about spying on Americans communicating with other Americans in America. It was about Americans or people in America communicating oversees. Our enemies would love to have the right to communicate with people inside America with no fear of evesdropping.
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Postby dudejcb » Tue Oct 21, 2008 2:20 pm

Oh really. That was how it was sold but not how it was implemented. Wake up. is that why they started spying a group of older women who supported Obama. Were they communicating with their masters in another land?
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Postby SpinnerMan » Tue Oct 21, 2008 4:19 pm

dudejcb wrote:is that why they started spying a group of older women who supported Obama.
Who is "they" and I'd like to see a reference. Sounds like an urban legend to me.
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