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Obama Gun Controll

Postby twopopper » Wed Oct 22, 2008 6:49 pm

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Postby shoot-n-goose » Fri Oct 24, 2008 1:27 pm

I was doing a paper on this for school and he has changed his mind about guns all of the sudden, but dont listen to him. If he had the chance he would take every gun regardless of its purpose. Hes just another shady politician.

Is it me or does the voice on the video sound like a speak-and-spell?
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Postby GroundSwatter » Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:47 pm

http://www.outdoorlife.com/article/Shooting/Are-Gun-Owners-the-Second-Amendments-Worst-Enemy

The new Assault Rifle Ban that is up:

`(L) A semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General. In making the determination, there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any Federal law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and a firearm shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event.'


Basically according to this, the Attorney General can ban almost any gun. Where do they draw the line? Haven't all guns at some point been used by the military? Sharpen your archery skills boys, it may be all we have left.

OK, the Supreme Court has ruled that the Second Amendment is an individual right and the D.C. gun ban is unconstitutional. Now here's the flip side. That ruling barely passed 5-4 and the backlash from anti-gun politicians has started. California is pushing through four new pieces of anti-gun legislation. The set of rules that the District of Columbia is implementing, concerning registration of firearms, are completely contradictory to the court's ruling. Massachusetts is considering legislation to increase all firearms licensing fees by two hundred percent. If Barrack Obama is elected President he will have the opportunity to replace two to three Supreme Court members. What kind of people do you think he will pick?



Again, Obama may not take away your guns directly but he may get them anyways. Most people have made up their minds on who to vote for already, but you should definitely take this into consideration.

Also keep in mind, congress has a lot more say on what gets put in front of the president, so consider who you are voting for in the congressional elections as well.
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Postby shoot-n-goose » Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:00 pm

GroundSwatter wrote: Sharpen your archery skills boys, it may be all we have left.


:lol: I can see us now, squatting in the reeds with a bow and dozens of arrows
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Postby GroundSwatter » Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:04 pm

shoot-n-goose wrote:
GroundSwatter wrote: Sharpen your archery skills boys, it may be all we have left.


:lol: I can see us now, squatting in the reeds with a bow and dozens of arrows


Forget that, I'm using my bowfishing rig, that way I can use the same arrow over and over again and not have to chase down cripples. I'll just real them in.

Wait a second, how expensive is steal shot? I might start that the next time I'm in the blind..
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Re: Obama Gun Controll

Postby razorbackhunter » Tue Oct 28, 2008 11:44 pm

twopopper wrote:SCARY ISN'T IT!

The scariest part about that whole thing is the Speak and Spell that's telling me why not to vote for Obama.

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OBAMA AND GUN CONTROL

Postby JudgeHunt1 » Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:11 pm

The individual right to keep and bear arms is guaranteed by the Second Amendment to the Constitution. While Barack Obama pretends to respect the Second Amendment, his record demonstrates that his claim is no more credible than a wifebeater's claim that he respects his wife.

Economist and gun control researcher Dr. John Lott recalled his first encounter with Obama. After introducing himself to Obama, "Obama said 'Oh, you are the gun guy.' I responded 'Yes, I guess so.' He simply responded that 'I don't believe that people should be able to own guns.'

'When I said it might be fun to talk about the question sometime and about his support of the city of Chicago's lawsuit against the gun makers, he simply grimaced and turned away, ending the conversation.'" [1].

Rich Pearson, who, "[f]or the past 15 years, . . . served in the Illinois state capitol as the chief lobbyist for the Illinois State Rifle Association" wrote:

"I lobbied Barack Obama extensively while he was an Illinois State Senator. As a result of that experience, I know Obama's attitudes toward guns and gun owners better than anyone. The truth be told, in all my years in the Capitol I have never met a legislator who harbors more contempt for the law-abiding firearm owner than does Barack Obama.

"Although Obama claims to be an advocate for the 2nd Amendment, his voting record in the Illinois Senate paints a very different picture. While a state senator, Obama voted for a bill that would ban nearly every hunting rifle, shotgun and target rifle owned by Illinois citizens. That same bill would authorize the state police to raid homes of gun owners to forcibly confiscate banned guns. Obama supported a bill that would shut down law-abiding firearm manufacturers including Springfield Armory, Armalite, Rock River Arms and Les Baer. Obama also voted for a bill that would prohibit law-abiding citizens from purchasing more than one gun per month." [2]

Obama supports numerous oppressive gun control measures. In April, an article in the nonpartisan website The Politico noted that "[Obama], as an Illinois state legislator and a U.S. senator, he consistently backed gun control legislation. . . . Obama has long backed gun-control measures, including a ban on semiautomatic weapons and concealed weapons, and a limit on handgun purchases to one a month." [3]

Obama also voted for legislation which would have banned the sale of almost all centerfire rifle ammunition, because such ammunition is designed to propel a bullet at a velocity which happens to be sufficient not only to kill game, but also to penetrate the lowest level of police body armor. [4].

The Obama strategy is similar to that of the repetitive wife abuser who seeks to recouncile with his wife after beating her. Flowers, candy and loving words are poured out by the abuser on his victim. The message is: "Pay attention only to what I say and ignore what I have done." Unfortunately, another beating will be administered in the future. As The Politico article notes, the Obama campaign's position statement on gun control parrots respect for the Second Amendment (while claiming "the right is subject to [supposedly] reasonable and common sense regulation"), but is silent on Obama's voting record. [5].

Should gunowners trust Obama? Only if they want to receive a beating.

NOTES:

1. See Obama and Guns: Two Different Views. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,347690,00.html.

2. Pearson, Rich, An Open Letter to the Nations Hunters and Sportsmen. http://www.goapvf.org/

3. See Obama Aims for Pro-Gun Vote. http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm? ... 5489D5CBD9.

4. See http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/ ... RA_ad.html Note: Click on "continue reading Obama seeks to take down NRA ad".

5. See Obama Aims for Pro-Gun Vote. http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm? ... 5489D5CBD9. Note: Another impartial source on Obama's position on gun control is: http://www.issues2000.org/Domestic/Bara ... ontrol.htm (" If there was any issue on which Obama rarely deviated, it was gun control. He was the most strident candidate when it came to enforcing and expanding gun control laws.").

P.S. I often get the response that "Obama will not take our guns away."

I am an attorney. You have to be aware that it is not as simple as "taking our guns away" all at once. Chief Justice Marshall, the first chief justice of the United States Supreme Court once wrote that "the power to tax is the power to destroy." He could just as truthfully have written that "the power to regulate is the power to destroy."

Obama and his Democratic cohorts can make life miserable for gun owners without banning a single gun or taking one gun from a private owner. They can do it through legislation or through administrative rules from the Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms Division. Shouldn't gun owers pay for all that gun crime? How about a 500% tax increase on ammunition, as Obama supported in the past?[1] What about a $50.00 or $100.00 annual fee for every gun owned?

How about tightening up on those nasty gun dealers, i.e. if they don't do $100000 or $250000 of business a year, or if any of the guns sold by them has ever been used to commit any kind of crime, they don't qualify to continue their license. Just use your imagination. How about an arsenal license at say, oh $1000 a pop for everyone who owns over 5 guns? How about a nationwide ban on firearms dealers within 5 miles of a school or park, as Obama supported in 1999.[2] Do you get the picture? It's not "taking your guns", it's the death of a thousand cuts. It's all "reasonable","common sense" regulation. It's for the children!

By the way, since Obama falsely states he supports the Second Amendment, when he obviously does not, why would you believe him on any issue?

Notes:

1. http://volokh.com/archives/arc.....1203389334

2. Id.
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