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Postby GroundSwatter » Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:53 pm

http://www.outdoorlife.com/article/Special-Reports/OL-Interviews-John-McCain


http://www.outdoorlife.com/article_gallery/Barack-Obama-on-Sportsmens-Issues

Here are some interviews that Outdoor Life did with both candidates. Well I say they interviewed them both, but in actuality they did an Interview with McCain, and Obama didn't have enough time to do a phone interview so they mailed the questions to him and here are his written responses. Obama also put it off long enough so they couldn't publish it in their October issue of the magazine.
It's a fact that 70 percent of the people who purchase heavier tackle do so with the categorical I just lost a huge snook! Einstein Hairdo.The other 30 percent have either Tarpon Fever or are sporting a hand cramped into a claw from a deepwater grouper.
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Postby semo88 » Mon Oct 27, 2008 3:14 pm

The October issue of Field and Stream also had a pretty good article which interviewed both candidates, if anybody is interested. I don’t have a link, just the magazine. I’m sure it wouldn’t be hard to find if you wanted to look it up.
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Postby GroundSwatter » Mon Oct 27, 2008 3:20 pm

http://www.fieldandstream.com/article/Hunting/Special-Report-An-Exclusive-Interview-with-Senator-Barack-Obama/2

But if you talk to sportsmen in my home state of Illinois, they will tell you that I've always been a forceful advocate on behalf of the rights of sportsmen, on behalf of access for sportsmen and hunters. I've been somebody who, well before the recent Supreme Court case, stated my belief that the Second Amendment was an individual right.


So SpinnerMan, any comments on this quote?
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Postby semo88 » Mon Oct 27, 2008 3:24 pm

GroundSwatter wrote:http://www.fieldandstream.com/article/Hunting/Special-Report-An-Exclusive-Interview-with-Senator-Barack-Obama/2

But if you talk to sportsmen in my home state of Illinois, they will tell you that I've always been a forceful advocate on behalf of the rights of sportsmen, on behalf of access for sportsmen and hunters. I've been somebody who, well before the recent Supreme Court case, stated my belief that the Second Amendment was an individual right.


So SpinnerMan, any comments on this quote?


Haha, I just reread the article and was wondering the same thing.

Thanks for the link BTW.
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Postby SpinnerMan » Mon Oct 27, 2008 3:29 pm

Everybody knows that's a bunch of B.S.

I like this quote.

When you're in the South Side of Chicago, there's not too many opportunities for hunting and fishing.
Did he ever hear of Lake Michigan? That's pretty close to the south side of Chicago. There are parks all over the city. There are actually a lot of fishing opportunities in and around the city. This was a thought out written response :huh:
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Postby GroundSwatter » Mon Oct 27, 2008 3:36 pm

I liked it too, I do remember seeing a rather large lake last time I flew into O'Hare.

http://www.fieldandstream.com/article/Hunting/Special-Report-An-Exclusive-Interview-with-Senator-John-McCain/1

Here is the McCain interview.

Obama just skated around everything just trying to assure hunters he wasn't their enemy. McCain actually has done things to help out the state of Arizona's sportsmen.
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Postby Pacific Fisher » Tue Oct 28, 2008 9:25 am

As I understand McCain's position and actions, he would be one hell of a lot better than Bush.
Bush took serious actions against the nation's fish, wildlife and water quality protecting agencies that will require some serious focus to put back on course.

I am not sure that the current Republican Party has the will to restore the party's once strong platform of habitat protection and conservation.
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Postby SpinnerMan » Tue Oct 28, 2008 9:41 am

You have to concede that there are many areas that have completely undermined the concept of private property in the name of the environment.

My hunting club is on old strip mines that filled up with water. Basically, a very large man made swimming pool. Our club is very restricted by what we can do because it is a "wetland." There are no inflows or outflows to any waterway, but we cannot do anything without a permit. Including dredging (with shovels) so small boats can pass through shallow areas. We got fined for that in the past :no:

There are major excesses in the name of the environment. There is virtually no common sense in the process. However, there is far more common sense on the Republican side than the Democrat side, but they are demagogued as destroying the environment. What a bunch of crap as you can see by the strong Republican leanings of hunters and fisherman that clearly care more about the environment than those that live in the urban jungle.
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Postby GroundSwatter » Tue Oct 28, 2008 10:15 am

SpinnerMan wrote:You have to concede that there are many areas that have completely undermined the concept of private property in the name of the environment.

My hunting club is on old strip mines that filled up with water. Basically, a very large man made swimming pool. Our club is very restricted by what we can do because it is a "wetland." There are no inflows or outflows to any waterway, but we cannot do anything without a permit. Including dredging (with shovels) so small boats can pass through shallow areas. We got fined for that in the past :no:

There are major excesses in the name of the environment. There is virtually no common sense in the process. However, there is far more common sense on the Republican side than the Democrat side, but they are demagogued as destroying the environment. What a bunch of crap as you can see by the strong Republican leanings of hunters and fisherman that clearly care more about the environment than those that live in the urban jungle.


Its not that I don't think the Dem's are for conservation, I'm sure they are, but it seems like they are more likely to do things that would affect access to certain public lands.

Obama did a lot of talking about conserving habitat, but didn't do much to assure me that hunters would have access to the habitat. McCain at least entertained the idea of lottery hunts to national parks which I think is a great idea. There is no need to pay professional hunters to do something when you can get your average joe to go for free or even pay to hunt those places.

Texas and Missouri both do lottery hunts on certain public lands. In Texas you had people signing up for a lottery and paying to hunt in State parks located in the hill country. That place was just loaded with deer. They have specific blind sights, a ranger escorts you to your area in the morning and comes and picks you up later. Its very regulated on how they do it, but it works in keeping down the deer population.
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Postby WisconsinWaterfowler » Tue Oct 28, 2008 5:58 pm

Like said before I believe that Obama wants to preserve the habitat but I doubt that he will provide access for hunters. Plus he doesnt hunt or fish so he cant relate to us. I dont know what you guys think but to me spearfishing is not hunting.
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Postby SpinnerMan » Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:54 am

Just to clarify. He said unequivocally no to the hunting question. He did say spearfishing as a kid in response to the fishing question.

OL: You and your opponent supported legislation that would close the so-called "gun show loophole" and make it illegal for individuals to privately sell firearms without doing a background check. Is that still your position? Why?



OBAMA: Yes. This common-sense step will ensure that the same background checks already required for purchasing guns from a licensed dealer are also required for sellers at gun shows. I don't believe that criminals or the mentally ill should be able to acquire guns at gun shows that they wouldn't otherwise be able to acquire at a gun store.

This is another "common sense" gun law that scares me. Every single gun I own was given to me by my parents or grandfather. Should they have been forced to perform a background check to give me these guns?

What about if I loan someone a gun? Do I need a background check to loan my brother or friend a gun so they can go hunting or shooting?

A law to close the "gun show loophole" which doesn't even exist since there are no exemptions in the law for gun shows, could be a giant pain in the ass for normal people.

Laws to preempt real crimes have never worked regardless of what the purpose. If they did, all we would have to do was outlaw murder and the problem would go away.
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