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local break-ins

Postby agengo02 » Tue Jan 13, 2009 8:41 pm

here recently there have been (from what ive heard) about 20 break-ins just a few miles from my neighborhood. its 4 black males with heavy jamacan accents. they knock on the door and if someone answers they ask for "mr. kingston" or some other random name. then they leave. if no answer, then they proceed to the back and break in from the rear of the house. they dont try to force their way in from the front...so far. i keep my shotgun in my closet with 3 shells nearby in a drawer. my concern is when my girlfriend is home alone. here are my plans for home protection:
1) i am in the process of getting all the laws for protecting my property
2) a couple of my buddies install security systems and can install it on my front and back doors and 2 motion detectors for $100 and a few beers. they hook systems up to the ADT network, but for mine they will just hook it up to a horn and not ADT. no professional monitoring, but i get 2 loud ass horns that will go off it the system is tripped. (this is top priority once i get my student loan check in)
3) im trying to find a .22 caliber pistol for my girlfriend in case she is home alone. we are going to get our concealed handgun permits too. dont need one for the home in texas, but id like her to get some professional gun safety under her belt.
4) i am trying to find a self defense class for her. (should i just start calling karate places? id like to find a ju-jitsu place though)
5) going to put ADT signs and stickers in my front yard and on the doors. should i also put NRA member stickers on the cars or door too?

am i overlooking anything? it may seem a bit extreme for my town, but this world is essentially going to crap and ive had my truck broken into so i know how helpless it feels. i refuse to feel that way again with my home that we worked really hard to get.

also, my back door is a sliding glass door. there is no lock on it, but we put a wooden dow rod down so it wont slide. we will be getting french doors once i get some insurance money from hurricane ike (damn insurance loves to drag things out!) but id like to put some kind of better lock on it for the time being.

any advice or help is greatly appreciated. ive never been in a situation where i feared my home would be broken into so im a little stressed about it.

another question: after the training and what not, where should we hide the hand gun? should we keep it in our bedroom, or hiddin somewehre in the house so it can be easily gotten to if the unthinkable happens?
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Postby mattm25tx » Tue Jan 13, 2009 11:17 pm

Texas is a castle doctrine state if they come in the house you or you gf blast thier *** you do not need to have a conceled handgun permit in your house, property or even vehical anymore.
And if you shoot them shoot to kill not to wound a dead man cant sue you and win.

Do you have kids if you do not have kids I would leave the 3 shells in the gun at all times I personaly have 9 rds in my 12ga under the bed and a loaded clip in the 45 by the bed and my wife knows how to use both of them. If you do have kids get a pistol and a fingerprint pistol safe that only you or the GF can open, that is my plan when we have kids.

Alot of people keep guns throughout the house I do not cause I have 3 large dog that will give me enough notice to get to the bed room


The downside to advertising you are a nra member is then they know there are valuble guns inside and will give them a reason to stake out your place to try and get the guns. I would also get a gun safe if you have alot of guns and only keep a few you can stand to lose( just in case they do make it in when you are not home) but where they arent locked up when you are home.
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Postby m4zz » Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:59 pm

Try searching for a "nite-lock pin" for your sliding glass door or something similar at your local home improvement store.
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Postby bluelund79 » Wed Feb 11, 2009 3:52 pm

We started with getting a dog...Advance notice is good. As for the rest, I taught my wife to shoot both the 22 pistol, her 20 ga and my 12 ga home defense shotgun and the 40 cal. You would be surprised at what a lady can do for self defense without going to classes when properly motivated. My advice, get her shooting with you and buy a dog.
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Re: local break-ins

Postby swampwise » Thu Jun 25, 2009 10:59 pm

a couple of things:
texas is a state with a castle doctrine. that means that if someone is attempting to break in, you have no "duty to retreat", or in more layman's terms, feel free to board yourself and your loved ones up in your bedroom and blast away when they show up. it does not mean, however, shoot anyone that breaks into your house. i am a citizen of georgia, a very similar state law-wise, and the code says that in order to be authorized to use deadly force, they must have broken in "in a forceful and tuultuous manner," or you must have "reasonable suspicion", that can be proven in a court, that this person came to your house with the intent to harm you or someone you love. however, drawing down on a badguy is NOT considered deadly force, and neither is kicking his ass.
please, get your girl at least a .32. she may be afraid of it at first, but the truth is, women can handle big handguns. mine is 5'2", 130 lbs., and eats 45's for breakfast. with a .22, you run the risk of only pissing him off.
definitely get her, and at least consider getting you, into some sort of self-defense course. as a trained brazilian jiu-jitsu fighter, i would not recommend BJJ. it is a style that focuses on nothing but ground fighting and submission techniques, concentrated on avoiding permanent damage. a better alternative would be checking into a striking combat style, i recommend kempo, to use against a home invader. not only will a potential fight take place on your feet, but strikes are much more likely to cause crippling damage, thus neutralizing the threat. BJJ is badass for t.v. and competitions, but not so much for real life.

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Postby MTchicken » Wed Oct 14, 2009 9:52 pm

mattm25tx wrote:And if you shoot them shoot to kill not to wound a dead man cant sue you and win.


The dead man may not, but I can assure you his family WILL! That is just part of the repurcussions of using deadly force. The crooks have more rights than the law abiding citizen.
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Re: local break-ins

Postby GroundSwatter » Tue Oct 27, 2009 1:23 pm

Yeah, get her something better than a .22, or at least show her how to use the shotgun. .22 just won't do too much for her as far as knockdown power. We have shotguns and a 45, my wife can shoot both with great confidence. I actually like the 45 for self defense since you don't have to use +p rounds, your practice ammo and defense ammo shoot about the same.

If you don't like a 45, get her a .38 or a 9mm and then go to the range and practice.

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mattm25tx wrote:And if you shoot them shoot to kill not to wound a dead man cant sue you and win.


The dead man may not, but I can assure you his family WILL! That is just part of the repurcussions of using deadly force. The crooks have more rights than the law abiding citizen.


MTchicken, I agree with you to a point, but in Texas the family could only bring up civil charges, not criminal.

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Re: local break-ins

Postby LaRedneck » Tue Nov 03, 2009 3:47 pm

Are you really worried about knock down power in a personal defense situation, if she can handle a .22 better then stay with it. I would rather her be more confident with the .22 instead of scared shitless trying to hit someone with a bigger gun. A .22 will bounce around and cause just as much damage, ask my mom's ole boyfriend. He got shot in shoulder and the bullet traveled up into hit neck and now's a C-4 Quadriplegic.

Teaching your wife gun control and self defense is great but teaching her situational awareness could save her life. Pay attention to everything in your house, how you left the doors, windows and what around them. Learn to see things out of place. You never know if someone came in while you were gone and hiding in the closet waiting till dark.

As far as teaching her karate or whatever, just find a woman's self defense course like at a YMCA or gym. Learning martial arts takes time and time she may not have. In a self defense course she'll learn the basics to keep someone off her and get out of a bad situation quick and she'll learn this in a way where she can understand like learning how to defend herself in a household setting. Martial arts won't teach her that.
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Re: local break-ins

Postby daffy... » Mon Nov 09, 2009 10:32 pm

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Re: local break-ins

Postby lukea.becker » Tue Nov 10, 2009 5:11 am

if you are looking to get your wife into some sort of self defense class i would highly reccomend that you find a womens self-defense course. i used to help teach one called WISE - Women Initiating Safe Environments, and it is a great program to go through. we had very timid, shy, fearful women leave that course with an entirely different attitude. Both of my sisters and my mother have gone through the course and i try to get everyone i know to take it or something similar. It is a great confidence booster for most women which is half the battle right there. just something to think about.

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Re: local break-ins

Postby meathead » Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:17 pm

Surprised it's only been said once - get a dog. My wife knows how to use the shotguns just fine - but nothing makes me feel as comfortable about her being home alone as knowing my GSD will at a minimum buy her plenty of aiming time.
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Re: local break-ins

Postby La. Hunter » Fri Nov 20, 2009 12:09 am

meathead wrote:Surprised it's only been said once - get a dog. My wife knows how to use the shotguns just fine - but nothing makes me feel as comfortable about her being home alone as knowing my GSD will at a minimum buy her plenty of aiming time.


I couldn't agree more! My Malinois stopped someone from coming into the house one night while we were asleep. I was sick and knocked out due to the medications that I was on, but woke up to the sound of my front door opening. The dog, who sleeps on the floor next to my bed, took off out of my room as fast as he could growling and barking the whole way. When he got to the front of the house and made the turn into my living room, whoever it was slammed the door shut. About a second later, all I could hear was the 100 pound dog hit the door full speed and begin biting the door knob. I wasn't in much of a coherent state due to the medicines that I was on, but I should have just opened the door and sent the dog, who is bite trained, outside. All I would have to have done would be to give him the "find the man and bite" command and swear up and down that the person left the door open when they retreated. Unfortunately, I was so out of it that the only thing that I was concerned with was making sure my kids were okay, clearing the house, locking the doors and going back to bed. The scary thing is my oldest son fell asleep on the couch that night no more than 10 feet from the door they tried to come in. The worse part of this whole episode was the fact that I didn't remember anything that happened until the next night and then I had to ask my wife if it really happened or if I dreamt that it happened.

The only thing about dogs is you need to make sure the dog is properly trained. If the dog doesn't make full contact on a bite and only bites clothing, this may not stop someone from coming in. Also, you need a dog that will recall so you or your wife can call the dog off, if for no other reason than to get the dog out of the way to take a shot. Would hate to see someone get attacked because they were afraid they may accidently shoot the dog. Unfortunately, my dog doesn't recall very well, he has been trained to, but he is too hardheaded; however he always makes full contact on a bite and has enough bite strength to put a full grown man down. We have to replace our door knobs on a regular basis because he has bit down on the knob so hard the locking mechanism has came out on more than one occasion .

By the way, I have seen people on PCP not be affected by the bites of German Shepherds and Malinois. One of the local deparments had a guy on PCP try to stap an officer one night. The K9 officer released the dog on the suspect and the K9 begin biting the suspect. The suspect reached down and grabbed the dog by the throat and told the K9 officer "Officer, your dog is biting me" without acting like it affected him. It took the dog and about 4 officers to take the suspect into custody.
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Re: local break-ins

Postby swampwise » Tue Feb 09, 2010 1:20 pm

yes, actually, i am concerned about knockdown power. take a look at numbers where stop percentages are concerned. .22 is pitiful, .32 is a little better, .38 is acceptable, and interestingly enough, 9mm, .40, and .45 are all about the same. therefore, although "real men shoot a .45", a 9mm is just as effective, but much more controllable, which is why i carry a glock 19.

the key to caliber in your case is to teach your GF not to be scared of a bigger gun. take her to the range and buy her a few boxes about once a week. she'll get used to it (and probably enjoy it).
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Re: local break-ins

Postby joshco84 » Sun Feb 14, 2010 11:29 pm

my wife shoots my 40 sw no problem, and it is not exactly a friendly pistol.

It is a taurus pt140 pro. It is a midsize pistol, with about a three inch barrel i think. The gun actually has almost no recoil, but has a bit of muzzle jump. It is actually a really nice pistol to shoot even though it is a smaller gun/bigger caliber.

The best thing about the taurus pistol is, they are pretty cheap, and have the da/sa trigger. If for some reason you have a misfire, the next time you pull the trigger it recocks the hammer and drops it with the same trigger pull.
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Re: local break-ins

Postby jasper » Thu Mar 11, 2010 11:02 pm

I have heard good things about this.
http://www.kravmaga.com/index.php/Programs-Women

I was going to sign my wife up but we moved and we don't have one close to us at the moment.
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Re: local break-ins

Postby Dingbatter 2 » Tue Mar 30, 2010 8:43 pm

This may have already been mentioned, but make your bedroom a bunker. Replace the bedroom door with a solid door with solid locks and a peep hole. Install a bright ceiling light in the hallway with a switch in your bedroom so that if you hear a noise you can turn on the light and check through the peephole. Install halogen spotlights outside and run a switch to your room too. You can light up the neigborhood and never leave your room. Replace your window locks with heavier ones, or simply drill holes in the frames and pin them. You want curtains on the windows that no one can see through. Good idea to keep a cell phone in there too. We live way out in the boonies, and have 3 dogs, yet we have had Zombies show up several times. We cut them off on the porch with firepower and the local Sheriff's Department before they ever got close to the house. No one got hurt. As far as liability, if someone does make it in, and you can get to your bedroom and lock the door you are good to go. The Zombies not only had to break in your house, now they have to break into your room. Keep the appropriate firearms in your "safe" room, call 911, tell them where you are, what is happening, and be ready to make a stand. We have a free standing solid iron wood heater in our bedroom that we rarely ever use, but it makes a solid, handy piece of cover. Any Zombie making it through the the door will run into a wall of buckshot. We may end up in court, but everything we do will have been defensive. Never, ever, go on the offensive. That's why they call it "self-defense".

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Re: local break-ins

Postby callinfowl » Fri May 14, 2010 2:14 am

In my mind a 357 cal loaded with lite 38 cal bullets in a hammerless revolver is a much better tool in the hands of a woman or novice shooter.
No safety just point and pull the trigger until it stops going bang. My wife is a damn good shot with a 12 ga. shotgun and my 45 cal.pistol ,but when under stress or frightened I feel the simplicity of a revolver is the way to go for someone that does not shoot a auto pistol regularly. I'd hate to see her try to clear a jam under stress,Hell I'd hate to clear a jam under stress and I have shot 10's of 1000's of rounds through my auto pistols and revolvers. There is know way in hell I would rely on a 22 cal pistol or revolver for a home protection tool. The smallest Cal. I would even consider would be at least a 32 cal. :yes:
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Re: local break-ins

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Re: local break-ins

Postby ccclove499 » Tue Aug 16, 2011 10:56 am

My house was broken into yesterday and I cannot get past the violation of privacy and life feelings. Why do I keep feeling like the intruder is going to come back to take more stuff? The thoughts are driving me crazy! My husband travels all the time, so I am to the point where I need to get some protection. If I decide to purchase a security system then what kind should I get? The only one I have even heard of off the top of my head is adt home security. I just checked out the website and I want more information on them. Has anyone used their security system? Thanks for the advice. I need it quickly before I go crazy.
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Re: local break-ins

Postby MOSSBERG935 » Sun Sep 11, 2011 8:20 pm

I would look into getting a .45acp revolver. They take moon clips, and have nice "knock down power". My wife used to shoot a .22 walther p22. She moved up to a Beretta .40. She shot my 1911 and asked if she could trade the .40 in on the .45 1911.

So now she has a full size .45 for protection.

I recommend a revolver for someone who can't get to the range and shoot that often. If you get a .38 make sure its a +P.

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